So they really killed BFB

pink_panther

No tweaking. Just copy pasting to live servers.

Did they really test the changes before?

I really don't understand the point of pts If they didn't...

Gythral

To allow preview training

DarcyMardin

I realized long ago there’s basically no point to the PTS.

And RIP Rapids

Myyth

can you still use self healing skills with BFB?

Phanex

Well, that's a bit disappointing for those who want to run a pure vampire character at Stage 4. I still use other abilities of the class, but I think it would be cool if we could rely on the vampire abilities 100% w/out the need of too many of the class abilities.

PizzaCat82

DarcyMardin wrote: »

I realized long ago there’s basically no point to the PTS.

And RIP Rapids

PTS is alpha, PC users are beta testers.The fixes will likely come through September.

SeaGtGruff

If I don't even know what "BFB" stands for, does that mean I won't notice that they killed it?

PizzaCat82

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

If I don't even know what "BFB" stands for, does that mean I won't notice that they killed it?

They're talking about vamp skill so I'm assuming Blood for Blood.

Lord-Otto

Of course they did. When do ZOS ever take feedback into account?

ZaroktheImmortal

Yeah they really screwed us over with this update. Several sets get nerfed. Abilities nerfed. And you have to level up the alliance war skill line even more on every toon just to get rapids so your mount can go faster or pay 3000 crowns which isn't cheap. It's like they don't even listen to their playerbase...oh wait.

Hurbster

ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »

Yeah they really screwed us over with this update. Several sets get nerfed. Abilities nerfed. And you have to level up the alliance war skill line even more on every toon just to get rapids so your mount can go faster or pay 3000 crowns which isn't cheap. It's like they don't even listen to their playerbase...oh wait.

No, they didn't listen to their player base.

SeaGtGruff

PizzaCat82 wrote: »

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SeaGtGruff wrote: »

If I don't even know what "BFB" stands for, does that mean I won't notice that they killed it?

They're talking about vamp skill so I'm assuming Blood for Blood.

Oh. Something to do with vampires. No wonder I had no clue. I haven't played a vampire yet, nor for that matter a werewolf.

zvavi

Thing is, b4b shouldn't have went live as it was to begin with, free cost skill (resource wise) is just broken af. The real question is, why did they nerfed it stronger after giving the 5 second no ally heals debuff?

ZaroktheImmortal

I have to wonder if there really is any point to having vampire toons any more I mean they killed the only really good ability on the new skill line and it seems to have even more so more downsides than up. I mean I like the pale look and all but crap.

Lord-Otto

ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »

I have to wonder if there really is any point to having vampire toons any more I mean they killed the only really good ability on the new skill line and it seems to have even more so more downsides than up. I mean I like the pale look and all but crap.

There isn't.

FinrodMacBeorn

Before this patch, vamp was almost obligatory for optimizing mag chars (except for sorcs during the last 3 months) which was not a healthy situation too.

Now, they have reduced vamps to the state of werewolves: Mainly solo play (there seem to be some strong vamp builds for soloing WBs), perhaps small scale pvp and roleplay. In group pve, vamps and werewolves are seemingly not wanted by the devs.

W0lf_z13

ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »

I have to wonder if there really is any point to having vampire toons any more I mean they killed the only really good ability on the new skill line and it seems to have even more so more downsides than up. I mean I like the pale look and all but crap.

sadly i'll be curing my main the moment I get home from work, figured this was coming, but with too many downsides there's just no point to running bfb or vamp for that matter now.... i'd be nothing but a hindrance in my weekly trial runs .... so after 4 years of playing as a vampire dunmer magdk looks like the vamp part is over

josiahva

zvavi wrote: »

Thing is, b4b shouldn't have went live as it was to begin with, free cost skill (resource wise) is just broken af. The real question is, why did they nerfed it stronger after giving the 5 second no ally heals debuff?

Health is a resource just like any other...the only reason you considered it "free" is because the healer was constantly healing you, which of course is the intent with these changes...to stop that and make it behave like other resources. I understand the reason they made the changes...but it did effectively kill the skill for most classes.

carlos424

zvavi wrote: »

Thing is, b4b shouldn't have went live as it was to begin with, free cost skill (resource wise) is just broken af. The real question is, why did they nerfed it stronger after giving the 5 second no ally heals debuff?

Ya, it wasnt really free. You had to count on a healer or, if running solo, slot some sort of self-healing skill. In good groups it might have been a bit op, due to good damage and sustain. So rather than lower the damage or maybe increase the health cost, they make it virtually unusable. Typical. Also, rather than listen to the player base that says the skill, and now being a vampire in general is dead, they go ahead with the change. In 3 months they will act surprised that everyone cured vampirism and make some changes to make the skill useful again. That is their pattern. Waste of time and resources.

theyancey

My vamp warden high elf was my fave toon ever. After she was nerfed into decimation I just lost interest. I bought the new chapter and my Plus is paid until next spring but I only sign in now to get my daily rewards. With no new class there is just no fun for me ATM.

carlos424

ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »

I have to wonder if there really is any point to having vampire toons any more I mean they killed the only really good ability on the new skill line and it seems to have even more so more downsides than up. I mean I like the pale look and all but crap.

For me, it’s not worth being a vampire any more. Almost wasn’t really worth it in the first place, other than running b4b in trials, and scion in pvp was fun. Without b4b it makes no sense for me to maintain vampirism on pve toons. All it gives now is cost increase to skills and increased fire damage taken. Lol. It would actually be stupid for me to be a vampire now. Absolutely no benefit. I suspect I am not alone in this assessment.

Sephyr

zvavi wrote: »

Thing is, b4b shouldn't have went live as it was to begin with, free cost skill (resource wise) is just broken af. The real question is, why did they nerfed it stronger after giving the 5 second no ally heals debuff?

Probably because since they already have so many weaknesses, another shouldn't hurt much... Right?

W0lf_z13

carlos424 wrote: »

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ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »

I have to wonder if there really is any point to having vampire toons any more I mean they killed the only really good ability on the new skill line and it seems to have even more so more downsides than up. I mean I like the pale look and all but crap.

For me, it’s not worth being a vampire any more. Almost wasn’t really worth it in the first place, other than running b4b in trials, and scion in pvp was fun. Without b4b it makes no sense for me to maintain vampirism on pve toons. All it gives now is cost increase to skills and increased fire damage taken. Lol. It would actually be stupid for me to be a vampire now. Absolutely no benefit. I suspect I am not alone in this assessment.

def agree with you.... esp in trials you would be essentially unhealable ... other than by means of your own, which would just create a loss of dps having to constantly maintain a heal going

Lord-Otto

carlos424 wrote: »

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ZaroktheImmortal wrote: »

I have to wonder if there really is any point to having vampire toons any more I mean they killed the only really good ability on the new skill line and it seems to have even more so more downsides than up. I mean I like the pale look and all but crap.

For me, it’s not worth being a vampire any more. Almost wasn’t really worth it in the first place, other than running b4b in trials, and scion in pvp was fun. Without b4b it makes no sense for me to maintain vampirism on pve toons. All it gives now is cost increase to skills and increased fire damage taken. Lol. It would actually be stupid for me to be a vampire now. Absolutely no benefit. I suspect I am not alone in this assessment.

No, you're not. And don't forget Dawnbreaker bonus damage! Easily kills you in PvP and can't be reduced like fire damage.

Jolipinator

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

If I don't even know what "BFB" stands for, does that mean I won't notice that they killed it?

I was wondering how they managed to kill Bleak Falls Barrow considering it isn't in this game.

Aiphaton

pink_panther wrote: »

No tweaking. Just copy pasting to live servers.

Did they really test the changes before?

I really don't understand the point of pts If they didn't...

Well Rip Magicka Dks
ZoS dont give a single ** about any comment towards Blood for Blood - maybe tweak the dmg ? - na wasnt a solution.
Just make the skill useless.
Atlest Greymoor sold so they can nerf it again.

Blood for Blood allowed atleast a good magicka sustain on Dk.
But now Dk is a Memeclass.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=4Pu9Hblj2kI

redlink1979

6 feet under

Rebiludo

With 6k5 selfheal / sec... viable in trial ?

(Sorcerer surge with medusa + Mother sorrow + Kajhit + Shadow mundus...)

kojou

Aiphaton wrote: »

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pink_panther wrote: »

No tweaking. Just copy pasting to live servers.

Did they really test the changes before?

I really don't understand the point of pts If they didn't...

Well Rip Magicka Dks
ZoS dont give a single ** about any comment towards Blood for Blood - maybe tweak the dmg ? - na wasnt a solution.
Just make the skill useless.
Atlest Greymoor sold so they can nerf it again.

Blood for Blood allowed atleast a good magicka sustain on Dk.
But now Dk is a Memeclass.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=4Pu9Hblj2kI

Its funny how as soon as Magicka DK becomes viable again they take it away in the next release. Good thing I play Magicka Templar now.

Lord-Otto

Rebiludo wrote: »

With 6k5 selfheal / sec... viable in trial ?

(Sorcerer surge with medusa + Mother sorrow + Kajhit + Shadow mundus...)

If selfhealing was viable in trials, why have teams been bringing healers all these years? Of course it's not viable.

Rebiludo

Because not everyone has self-heal, and especially not as Much ?