PVP Etiquette

Sanctum74

Jeremy wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

CaffeinatedMayhem wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

I can understand it maybe if you are using siege weapons to kill players. But if you're just pounding on a gate why does it matter who is using it to knock it down? You've already spent the AP or gold in either case.

Because I cannot kick YOU off to pack up that siege. So instead of being able to use it again on the inner door, or on multiple keeps, it's gone. 1800 per pop.

You want to play with siege, spend your own AP, not someone else's.

If someone is generous and says they're putting down extra siege, you're in luck. Otherwise, bring your own like a big kid.

Alright. I guess that makes sense. But what if the player gets off as soon as the gate goes down? Would you mind it then?

I mean you've spent the AP either way and your siege contributed to knocking down the gate. What difference does it make who pushes the button over and over?

I usually buy several sieges and just hope someone else uses them for me so I don't have to worry with them. So I just don't understand what the big deal is, I'm sorry. lol

I much rather be running around fighting players or raising people then having to PvP some boring door while making myself vulnerable to be attacked. Maybe I'm just weird I guess.

It’s not yours, that’s all the reason you need.

If you could buy siege weapons that automatically fired themselves after you put them down would you - providing it hit the gate or wall you were wanting to bring down?

If they always hit where i wanted them too, never missed a cooldown, and I could pack them up whenever i want, then yes, but with other players using my seige i cant do any of that. Basic courtesy I learned as a child was to respect other people’s property.

anitajoneb17_ESO

Sanctum74 wrote: »

It’s not yours, that’s all the reason you need.

No, it's not.
Group play, based on cooperation, means putting resources in a common pool and reaching a better result combined than the addition of individual results.
It's pretty obvious that if someone uses your siege weapon it means you're busy doing something else. Defending, attacking, actioning another siege weapon, whatever. During this time, it's always better (for the group and the common goal) if someone else actions "your" siege weapon than if it stays idle.
Also, it's a bit uneducated to simply say "bring your own siege weapon". There is limited space on the ground for placing siege weapons, so depending on the size of the group, trying to set up your own is plain useless wasted time , if not counterproductive.
For all those reasons, I will keep on actioning other people's siege weapons.

Jeremy

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

CaffeinatedMayhem wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

I can understand it maybe if you are using siege weapons to kill players. But if you're just pounding on a gate why does it matter who is using it to knock it down? You've already spent the AP or gold in either case.

Because I cannot kick YOU off to pack up that siege. So instead of being able to use it again on the inner door, or on multiple keeps, it's gone. 1800 per pop.

You want to play with siege, spend your own AP, not someone else's.

If someone is generous and says they're putting down extra siege, you're in luck. Otherwise, bring your own like a big kid.

Alright. I guess that makes sense. But what if the player gets off as soon as the gate goes down? Would you mind it then?

I mean you've spent the AP either way and your siege contributed to knocking down the gate. What difference does it make who pushes the button over and over?

I usually buy several sieges and just hope someone else uses them for me so I don't have to worry with them. So I just don't understand what the big deal is, I'm sorry. lol

I much rather be running around fighting players or raising people then having to PvP some boring door while making myself vulnerable to be attacked. Maybe I'm just weird I guess.

It’s not yours, that’s all the reason you need.

If you could buy siege weapons that automatically fired themselves after you put them down would you - providing it hit the gate or wall you were wanting to bring down?

If they always hit where i wanted them too, never missed a cooldown, and I could pack them up whenever i want, then yes, but with other players using my seige i cant do any of that. Basic courtesy I learned as a child was to respect other people’s property.

In my experience - the average player can handle shooting the walls and gates just fine (sometimes better than me because I suck at aiming those catapults lol). They also tend to get off once the gate crumbles. I've never had a player stay on my siege weapon after the gate or wall goes down to prevent me from packing it up. So I've just never had that problem. They may have been new and just didn't know how to exit off or something.

So logically speaking - that's how I look at it. Having another player operate my siege for me is the same as me being able to buy an auto fire siege weapon. I actually see it as them doing me a favor honestly - because operating those things are boring and leave you open to attack. Having my siege be able to take down a wall while I'm free to move around to defend and raise is more important to me than having my pixel property rights respected.

That being said: I can understand why you wouldn't like someone wasting cool downs or preventing you from packing up. But if I could put up a sign on my character advertising for others to come use my sieges I would. ^^

Sanctum74

Unfortunately no amount of logic or basic common courtesy will prevent people from using your seige. I used to be gullible and set seige up for others too, but they usually just target players or the the wrong part of the wall or door ignoring the objective and not allowing you to use or put away what you paid for. Some people just feel entitled welcome to 2020.

UnkindnessOfRavens

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

For all those reasons, I will keep on actioning other people's siege weapons.

Did you know that there's a cooldown on the siege weapons between shots? Big shocker, I know, but it means that someone can run two or more siege by firing them in succession. If you "action" someone's siege while they're shifting between their weapons, it throws off their rhythm (at least for me and several others I play with) and then distracts them since now they have to yell at you to get off their kit.

So yes, the only reason you need is that it's not yours. Get your own. And up to 20 siege can be placed, so it's generally not that difficult to find a place for another.

ZaroktheImmortal

When I've been to cyrodil I've had people jump on mine. It only really bothers me if they start messing around with it and hitting something else or the moronic trolls who turn them around just to be annoying. That being said when they are actually hitting what I'm going for well II usually only bring enough that I can use in some rotation and it's like well if I knew someone else was going to help fire them I'd have brought more.

Pink_E_808

Sanctum74 wrote: »

Unfortunately no amount of logic or basic common courtesy will prevent people from using your seige. I used to be gullible and set seige up for others too, but they usually just target players or the the wrong part of the wall or door ignoring the objective and not allowing you to use or put away what you paid for. Some people just feel entitled welcome to 2020.

How many times have you seen me yelling in zc for ppl to stay off my siege? 😂

Spartabunny08

In general, it's bad to get on someone else's siege. They paid for it and they will put out enough for their own rotation and that rotation can easily be messed up by another player jumping in. However, only about 4 ballistas can fit in a rotation. If you saw someone putting out 10, they likely noticed there wasn't enough siege and hoped this would entice others to help. Also seige weapons deteriorate without being fired, so if some has to abandon their seige due to taking to much pressure or going to help heal others, etc. You can help them prolong the life of their seige by firing a shot here or there. Just be aware of your surroundings and quickly abandon someone else's seige if they return to look like they want to use it.

danthemann5

L_Nici wrote: »

@danthemann5 And did you like it? Was it great to be run over by 5, 10 or 50? Of course not, thats why just don't do it, it ruins the PvP.

It doesn't ruin PvP, it is PvP. You win some, you lose some, it's part of the game.

TwinLamps

PvP etiquette
Dont zerg solo players
Dont

Jeremy

TwinLamps wrote: »

PvP etiquette
Dont zerg solo players
Dont

It would be nice if people actually observed and obeyed this one.

In my experiences - being solo in PvP is more like ringing the dinner bell.

ZaroktheImmortal

And actually this happened recently to me of some idiots turning my siege stuff around. It's stuff like that which really makes me wish they had something to lock my siege stuff

Taleof2Cities

It’s definitely better etiquette-wise to use your own siege ... unless it’s the Chalman West Wall where all bets are off.

idk

There are some good cheap siege, Get a few of your own.

If in a group and someone says they are putting down siege for people to get on then go ahead.

If you see random siege without someone on them look around to see if someone is hopping between two or three siege. If you see that do not touch. if not they may have gotten killed and I would hop on for a few hits then hop off to see if someone else gets on as they may have returned.


This is just my take on it.

Anfieldkris

There are people worse than siege stealers. Those are the people who hang around behind the sieges adding no obvious value, and when someone dies, they don’t pick them up, leave them dead and then steal their siege.

Minyassa

If you ask your fellow soldiers, or even better, the group leader, what plans are for sharing or providing one's own seige equipment, you can never make the wrong guess. Team communication is probably the most useful tool in one's kit.

There are always answers in complete opposite corners of the ring to most etiquette questions for PvP, but if you err on the side of good sportsmanship you can't go wrong. Teabagging, hate whispers and such are always displays of poor sportsmanship. If more people remembered they are playing a competitive game with other human beings and took care to be good sports, fewer people would be permanently turned off of PvP and there would be a lot more people to play with. The enemy you don't disrespect today might be someone you wind up playing against or alongside for years to come, the enemy you go out of your way to insult simply because you won might never touch PvP again and that is your and everyone else's loss.

Grianasteri

Its about having awareness of what is going on in any given engagement.

If someone has put down a few siege and is busy moving between them to fire, dont go interrupting their flow.

If a siege is left unattended and unused, which can happen is someone is killed or engages elsewhere for whatever reasons, sure, use it, anyone who says otherwise is a fool.

But more importantly, buy your own siege and put it down and fire it at the enemy! That's the most helpful thing! When engaging in this way I tend to put a few down and cycle between them to keep up constant fire between cooldowns. This has the added bonus of leaving siege fire to put your buffs on and check no one is sneaking up on you etc.