Hard Modes and Motifs
Atherakhia
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So I've heard some people say this and others disagree and was wondering if the forum community could provide a more accurate response.
Is it true that once you do a hard mode for a dungeon and receive the hard mode achievement that you never have to do hard mode again and motif drops from that point forward will be a 100% chance to drop for you and the only reason to do hard mode anymore from that point forward is to receive 2 undaunted keys for pledges?
Similarly, each month style pages are introduced that look like the monster helm from a respective dungeon. Can these drop from normal modes? Do you have an increased chance to drop from vet? What about HM? And do you need to do HM for that increased chance to drop or does it work like the above scenario where so long as you've done it once, you always get benefit of the increased drop chance (assuming an increased drop chance exists in the first place).
Is it true that once you do a hard mode for a dungeon and receive the hard mode achievement that you never have to do hard mode again and motif drops from that point forward will be a 100% chance to drop for you and the only reason to do hard mode anymore from that point forward is to receive 2 undaunted keys for pledges?
Similarly, each month style pages are introduced that look like the monster helm from a respective dungeon. Can these drop from normal modes? Do you have an increased chance to drop from vet? What about HM? And do you need to do HM for that increased chance to drop or does it work like the above scenario where so long as you've done it once, you always get benefit of the increased drop chance (assuming an increased drop chance exists in the first place).
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IonicKai✭✭✭✭Crafting motifs are 100% guarantee on vet hm, smaller chance on vet non hm, and even smaller chance (like really small) on normal.
Monster style pages have a higher drop rate if you have ever completed that dungeons hm on the character you are are using. Monster style pages do not drop on normal.
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Eifleber✭✭✭✭✭Lol never noticed style pages it while I must have completed 100s of hms
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gatekeeper13✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭HM or not, it never made any difference for me. Did CoA2 HM like 30 times back when the mask motif was dropping and it didn't drop once. Ended up buying it.0 -
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The same one that has arm packs in the clown store, currently it is Domihaus in vFH if I am not mistaken, but the chances are super low, something like 2% after you have HM completed, and 1% without.
Crown store->crafting->outfit styleEdited by zvavi on August 20, 2020 3:33PM1 -
Atherakhia✭✭✭✭gatekeeper13 wrote: »HM or not, it never made any difference for me. Did CoA2 HM like 30 times back when the mask motif was dropping and it didn't drop once. Ended up buying it.
This is my concern as well. I have run Falkreath on vet HM about 30 times so far and still no luck. I try to do 2 or 3 a day. But I can't afford to buy the style page unfortunately. Managed to get the whole Dreadhorn set.0 -
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✭Atherakhia wrote: »gatekeeper13 wrote: »HM or not, it never made any difference for me. Did CoA2 HM like 30 times back when the mask motif was dropping and it didn't drop once. Ended up buying it.
This is my concern as well. I have run Falkreath on vet HM about 30 times so far and still no luck. I try to do 2 or 3 a day. But I can't afford to buy the style page unfortunately. Managed to get the whole Dreadhorn set.
This is why they have such a high value. I actually prefer this, as it gives some benefit to people who do vet DLC dungeons.1 -
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✭✭✭✭Atherakhia wrote: »gatekeeper13 wrote: »HM or not, it never made any difference for me. Did CoA2 HM like 30 times back when the mask motif was dropping and it didn't drop once. Ended up buying it.
This is my concern as well. I have run Falkreath on vet HM about 30 times so far and still no luck. I try to do 2 or 3 a day. But I can't afford to buy the style page unfortunately. Managed to get the whole Dreadhorn set.
It might save time not to do HM each time. Once you have the achievement on a given character, your drop chances are permanently improved for the head style. It’s character-specific, though, since it’s related to achievements, and it doesn’t count on the run where you initially earn the achievement. (Presumably drops are determined before achievements are awarded.)
Many players now ask out of courtesy if anyone needs to do HM to get the achievement, but if no one is interested in that or the double keys, you certainly don’t need to keep doing it.1 -
Atherakhia✭✭✭✭Atherakhia wrote: »gatekeeper13 wrote: »HM or not, it never made any difference for me. Did CoA2 HM like 30 times back when the mask motif was dropping and it didn't drop once. Ended up buying it.
This is my concern as well. I have run Falkreath on vet HM about 30 times so far and still no luck. I try to do 2 or 3 a day. But I can't afford to buy the style page unfortunately. Managed to get the whole Dreadhorn set.
It might save time not to do HM each time. Once you have the achievement on a given character, your drop chances are permanently improved for the head style. It’s character-specific, though, since it’s related to achievements, and it doesn’t count on the run where you initially earn the achievement. (Presumably drops are determined before achievements are awarded.)
Many players now ask out of courtesy if anyone needs to do HM to get the achievement, but if no one is interested in that or the double keys, you certainly don’t need to keep doing it.
Yea, that's what I was trying to confirm with this thread. It sounds like the motif drop isn't increased though I've gotten one for every non-HM I've done. But good to know the style chance is improved permanently. Falkreath HM isn't that big an inconvenience though.0 -
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✭✭Atherakhia wrote: »gatekeeper13 wrote: »HM or not, it never made any difference for me. Did CoA2 HM like 30 times back when the mask motif was dropping and it didn't drop once. Ended up buying it.
This is my concern as well. I have run Falkreath on vet HM about 30 times so far and still no luck. I try to do 2 or 3 a day. But I can't afford to buy the style page unfortunately. Managed to get the whole Dreadhorn set.
That's why I stopped farming for mask motifs, not worth the effort. Don't even use them, to be honest. They are ugly.0 -
r3turn2s3nd3r✭✭✭✭There're 'style pages' and 'motifs'. They are two different and unrelated things.
Style pages have a small increase in drop rate IF you have the HM complete. You do not need to do HM after getting it done once.
Motifs are dropped as @IonicKai said above.1 -
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✭Atherakhia wrote: »So I've heard some people say this and others disagree and was wondering if the forum community could provide a more accurate response.
Is it true that once you do a hard mode for a dungeon and receive the hard mode achievement that you never have to do hard mode again and motif drops from that point forward will be a 100% chance to drop for you and the only reason to do hard mode anymore from that point forward is to receive 2 undaunted keys for pledges?
Similarly, each month style pages are introduced that look like the monster helm from a respective dungeon. Can these drop from normal modes? Do you have an increased chance to drop from vet? What about HM? And do you need to do HM for that increased chance to drop or does it work like the above scenario where so long as you've done it once, you always get benefit of the increased drop chance (assuming an increased drop chance exists in the first place).
@Atherakhia
MOTIFS
- base game dungeons: NO MOTIFS
- DLC dungeons (post Imperial City): Low chance of motifs on normal clear. Higher chance of motifs on vet clear. Guaranteed chance of a motif page on a VetHM clear.
STYLE PAGES (when available for a dungeon)
- No chance on Normal
- Chance on Vet (Chance is PERMANENTLY DOUBLED if that character has the Hard Mode Achievement. No need to run HM every time)
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