the ping, the ping, the lag

ChaosWotan

Last weekend was great, with little lag in Cyrodiil (EU), as I experienced it here in Norway. But this evening was relatively bad, with ping over 200 near large battles, and sometimes 30-40 FPS in areas with only a couple of players. The center of Mournhold is smooth and unlaggy, with ping down to 70, so it appears to be something broken in Cyrodiil. Guess it's caused by all the fancy gear, crown mounts and new skills, compared to Cyrodiil in 2014/15.

Ectheliontnacil

ChaosWotan wrote: »

Guess it's caused by all the fancy gear, crown mounts and new skills, compared to Cyrodiil in 2014/15.

Imagine if the solution to lag was the removal of crown crate mounts!

ChaosWotan

In Cyrodiil, I only disapprove of crown crate mounts I don't own myself.

volkeswagon

How would crown crate mounts cause lag?

ChaosWotan

They are more graphic-intensive. ESO claims that there is a furnishing cap in houses because too many fancy items bog down performance. In 2015 we had tons of AoE in Cyro, with more gamers queuing for PvP than today, but Cyro lag still sucks in 2020, so I assume it's caused by heavy graphics, i.e. more code that must be harmonized. I only assume this however. I'm no expert.

Banana

Someone else needs to be looking after all the servers.

Radiance

I'm PC NA but I assumed the lag was from the current Free 2 Play event going on but I have been experience major lag since Greymoor dropped and even more so when participating in any of it's content unfortunately.

Also, I tend not to use Fancy mounts and such in Cyro bc they often put a target on your back bc it makes you easier to spot and stand out in a crowd and gives away your position etc...

ChaosWotan

Ah, the free to play event. That can explain some of it. But I very seldom get lag in PvE now, but Ravenwatch EU can have seemingly random lag and high ping all over the place, including areas that have only 2 gamers present, when taking a resource for example. I've suddenly gotten 30 FPS when being alone, for some unknown reason. And all the micro-loading screens when being alone in the open world, why is that happening? They were extremely rare in prior years, though more common in relation to events near keeps.

TineaCruris

volkeswagon wrote: »

How would crown crate mounts cause lag?

I don't know. But I'd be far happier sacrificing all my mounts to test the effects on lag than I am my ability to use AOE's. That is for certain.

TineaCruris

Banana wrote: »

Someone else needs to be looking after all the servers.

Yes. This is why there is lag. They do not lease the hardware it takes to support their software. .....unless it's Midyear Mayhem.

EdmondDontes

ChaosWotan wrote: »

Ah, the free to play event. That can explain some of it. But I very seldom get lag in PvE now, but Ravenwatch EU can have seemingly random lag and high ping all over the place, including areas that have only 2 gamers present, when taking a resource for example. I've suddenly gotten 30 FPS when being alone, for some unknown reason. And all the micro-loading screens when being alone in the open world, why is that happening? They were extremely rare in prior years, though more common in relation to events near keeps.

It's not a free to play weekend....it's just free to play weekend level performance.

SamanthaCarter

1st year of release no gear for most and no cp no animcut no aoe spam that’s why I was able to do 1vs100 everydays easily without lags with my sorc

Reaper_00

ChaosWotan wrote: »

They are more graphic-intensive.

That wouldn't slow the server down as the assets (textures,etc) are local on your PC and not sent by the server every time you see a mount. As far as the server is concerned it's just another mount. It could slow down your own PC depending on it processing capabilities though.

J1fferness

bouncing between 80 and 4000 ping is ridiculous. Thank you free event. SMH. Way to ruin the game for those of us who actually pay your bills. we can't even get through a boss because we keep getting kicked and frozen. It is fine and then not fine. It is definitely on your end. Do not invite additional players if your servers can't handle it. Common sense.

Knightpanther

the ping, the ping, the lag

There's a song in here somewhere.

Be Safe

ChaosWotan

My pc can handle the graphics fine, so there must be something else going on. Anyway, Ravenwatch EU had surprisingly less lag this evening, after 22:00. But at one keep the FPS suddenly dropped to 21, while I was dead. Besides that it was okay in Cyro today, up here in Norway.

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Ectheliontnacil wrote: »

ChaosWotan wrote: »

Guess it's caused by all the fancy gear, crown mounts and new skills, compared to Cyrodiil in 2014/15.

Imagine if the solution to lag was the removal of crown crate mounts!

I wish the forum has an option for either LOL emoji or LMFAO.

Contaminate

Reaper_00 wrote: »

ChaosWotan wrote: »

They are more graphic-intensive.

That wouldn't slow the server down as the assets (textures,etc) are local on your PC and not sent by the server every time you see a mount. As far as the server is concerned it's just another mount. It could slow down your own PC depending on it processing capabilities though.

When ZOS released the onyx indrik mount it caused everyone in render distance of it's summon to crash to desktop

You really think all those vfx can't cause gamebreaking lag?

ZoM_Head

We do not experience "high ping" per say, it is more or less stable. However, our characters respond as if they are facing 200+ ping.

It does not matter if it is PvP or PvE, especially in trails, since the Greymoore update the EU server is just terrible. Tanks that are blocking still take full damage and get suddenly one shotted, my own character just stands and stares at mini bosses or main bosses and does nothing, despite those targets being tab targeted as well as pressing the keyboard to fire the skill(s) numerous times and the classic get out of the damaging AOEs and still taking the damage or dying from the AOEs despite being clearly 5m+ outside of them, things of that nature is what my guild and i experience.

It is such a bad experience for us at this point, i have completely given up hope with ESO, there are so many complaints about this, and nothing has been done or even a simple reply from Zenimax was never posted, which alone says a lot to me.

Reaper_00

Contaminate wrote: »

Reaper_00 wrote: »

ChaosWotan wrote: »

They are more graphic-intensive.

That wouldn't slow the server down as the assets (textures,etc) are local on your PC and not sent by the server every time you see a mount. As far as the server is concerned it's just another mount. It could slow down your own PC depending on it processing capabilities though.

When ZOS released the onyx indrik mount it caused everyone in render distance of it's summon to crash to desktop

You really think all those vfx can't cause gamebreaking lag?

My reply was related to slowing the server down, not individual PCs which is still the case even with the bug you linked. Yes, having lots and lots of flashy graphics slows your PC down, but that applies to any game online or not.

scorpius2k1

The lag as of late has been pretty noticeable. Bar swap, skills not firing even after mashing the same keys 2-3 times, enemies after being killed just freeze up for 4-5 seconds and they flop dramatically on the ground...the list goes on. I am not at all surprised though, in fact I expected it. The free play week has increased server load and thus shown the hamsters are once again being overworked running in their wheels, obviously tripping over each other to keep up.

Speaking of Crown Crate mounts, has anyone seen all of the cursebound senche-raht darkfang's running around lately? Either players are spending loads on getting them or being blessed by RNGesus. Either way, I've seen a lot more of those than previous radiant apex mounts. I just wish they were an actual conversation piece on how they were attained...

scorpius2k1

TineaCruris wrote: »

Banana wrote: »

Someone else needs to be looking after all the servers.

Yes. This is why there is lag. They do not lease the hardware it takes to support their software. .....unless it's Midyear Mayhem.

To be very honest I truly, truly feel it's the other way around. Their software is the problem, not the servers. If you think about it, a server doesn't do near as much as a client machine does--it processes packets and performs calculations---all things that are extremely fast to perform. Even database queries are fast if they are written properly. Server hardware nowadays have no problem doing things like this IF they are properly implemented. ESO very obviously lacks in this area. Just look at how slow guild trader lookups are, LFG tool, and all of the aforementioned comments here and in many other threads. They speak loads toward badly written software. Throw in a highly un-optimized system (aka software) on those servers and everything falls apart.

Also, there is that whole not using UDP packets for high amounts of traffic vs very slow TCP. There have been many topics on this and it should be quite obvious to network engineers what a HUGE part of the issue with lag and ping spiking in ESO is from (wink, wink Cyro). Might as well keep chasing the Dog's tail though ZoS...