No Magicka Sneaking Sets?

Wildberryjack

Ok, I get it that sneaking uses stamina but the best abilities for this are magicka based. Night Blade skills and Vampire skills. For a pure thief, which is all my NB is, it's way better to go magicka.

But all the radius detection reduction abilities are stamina sets only and in the medium armor line. Nothing for magicka. Can this be rectified please ZOS? Magicka based characters would like some sneak/stealing/radius reduction bonuses too. Please?

kringled_1

Shadow Dancer, which drops in Greenshade, is a magicka oriented set with sneak speed bonus. That's the best I can do, but Darloc Brae, although a medium set, is worth considering for sustain and radius reduction.

geonsocal

medium sets - jewelry and weapons, then go light on your armor...

Wildberryjack

I know of those sets. What I'm after is this: my NB is a pure thief, that's all she does. Magicka NB and Vampire abilities are the best for me to use.

What I need is detection radius reduction but the only sets that offer that are medium with stamina bonuses (Darloc Brae only offers a little magicka regen and it's not the most helpful honestly). I need magicka.

I do have 4 pieces of Darloc Brae for the detection reduction and little bit of magicka regen but am stuck with stamina sets for the rest. So my magicka character has a ton of stamina and no where near enough magicka.

I am putting magicka enchants on everything and using magicka food but it's still tricky. A set that give magicka bonuses and radius detection reduction would be awesome and that's what I really need.

I've asked in my guilds and a lot of others, more than I'd have thought, also tried to find such sets, radius reduction but magicka bonuses not stamina.

Lalothen

You can always get a set of crafted magicka-oriented gear (shacklebreaker, mechanical acuity, julianos, spell parasite etc) in medium weight, and make sure you've picked up the relevant medium armour passive that decreases detection radius for each piece of medium armour worn. You lose the benefits offered by light armor 5-piece passives, but that's the tradeoff you currently have to make if you want a mag-oriented thief.

Danksta

Wildberryjack wrote: »

I know of those sets. What I'm after is this: my NB is a pure thief, that's all she does. Magicka NB and Vampire abilities are the best for me to use.

What I need is detection radius reduction but the only sets that offer that are medium with stamina bonuses (Darloc Brae only offers a little magicka regen and it's not the most helpful honestly). I need magicka.

I do have 4 pieces of Darloc Brae for the detection reduction and little bit of magicka regen but am stuck with stamina sets for the rest. So my magicka character has a ton of stamina and no where near enough magicka.

I am putting magicka enchants on everything and using magicka food but it's still tricky. A set that give magicka bonuses and radius detection reduction would be awesome and that's what I really need.

I've asked in my guilds and a lot of others, more than I'd have thought, also tried to find such sets, radius reduction but magicka bonuses not stamina.

Retraiting your jewelry to magic as well?

kringled_1

If you need a lot of magicka sustain, then I imagine you're cloaking a lot? In which case you don't need the radius detection as much. I ended up with lich and shadow Dancer for my mag blade for heists/sacraments.

Sahidom

Personally, I feel the Darloc set jewelry should have dropped Arcane and Stamina based traits. Or included uncommon named items with the Arcane trait.

kringled_1

There's a swift Darloc Brae ring as a quest reward.

ShawnLaRock

kringled_1 wrote: »

There's a swift Darloc Brae ring as a quest reward.

I keep a separate gear set for sneaking / pick-pick-stab, and just swap it to whichever character wants to go thieving.

I run 5 Night Mother; 3 Night Terror; and 4 Darloc Brae (with 2 of the DB being the “unique” Hidden Moon band with the Swift trait already on them, as suggested above). I can literally stand on an NPC, and they don’t notice me. Lol.

S.

Wildberryjack

ShawnLaRock wrote: »

kringled_1 wrote: »

There's a swift Darloc Brae ring as a quest reward.

I keep a separate gear set for sneaking / pick-pick-stab, and just swap it to whichever character wants to go thieving.

I run 5 Night Mother; 3 Night Terror; and 4 Darloc Brae (with 2 of the DB being the “unique” Hidden Moon band with the Swift trait already on them, as suggested above). I can literally stand on an NPC, and they don’t notice me. Lol.

S.

This is exactly what I'm putting on my NB right now. Just getting it enchanted. It's the best combination I can find.

AlnilamE

ShawnLaRock wrote: »

kringled_1 wrote: »

There's a swift Darloc Brae ring as a quest reward.

I keep a separate gear set for sneaking / pick-pick-stab, and just swap it to whichever character wants to go thieving.

I run 5 Night Mother; 3 Night Terror; and 4 Darloc Brae (with 2 of the DB being the “unique” Hidden Moon band with the Swift trait already on them, as suggested above). I can literally stand on an NPC, and they don’t notice me. Lol.

S.

This is also what I use on my NB for thieving. I've not had issues running out of magicka, because you don't need to cloak that much.

idk

Wildberryjack wrote: »

I know of those sets. What I'm after is this: my NB is a pure thief, that's all she does. Magicka NB and Vampire abilities are the best for me to use.

If ALL the character ever does is thriving then why worry about the set being oriented towards magical or stamina as it is pretty much irrelevant. Heck, even if you get attacked by an NPC they are so easy to defeat a magicka based character wearing stamina based armor could kill them in a second.

Bucky_13

Wildberryjack wrote: »

I know of those sets. What I'm after is this: my NB is a pure thief, that's all she does. Magicka NB and Vampire abilities are the best for me to use.

What I need is detection radius reduction but the only sets that offer that are medium with stamina bonuses (Darloc Brae only offers a little magicka regen and it's not the most helpful honestly). I need magicka.

I do have 4 pieces of Darloc Brae for the detection reduction and little bit of magicka regen but am stuck with stamina sets for the rest. So my magicka character has a ton of stamina and no where near enough magicka.

I am putting magicka enchants on everything and using magicka food but it's still tricky. A set that give magicka bonuses and radius detection reduction would be awesome and that's what I really need.

I've asked in my guilds and a lot of others, more than I'd have thought, also tried to find such sets, radius reduction but magicka bonuses not stamina.

Ummm.... "Darloc Brae only offers a little magicka regen and it's not the most helpful honestly"
Have you ever used the 5 piece while crouching? Darloc Brae gives my stamblade 1310 extra mag regen every 2 seconds while crouching (3 gold, 2 purple pieces), on top of the 744 regen I already have from passives. That's around 2050 regen every 2 seconds, while crouching, on a stamblade with 12k mag. Which allows me to more or less permacloak. I have all jewelry in stamregen+speed, but if I made jewely for mag regen, it'd be another 450-500 regen on top of that. 2nd set I use is Night's SIlence since that char is not a vamp, then Wild Hunt because it's fun. On a vampire, you can use whatever you like as 2nd set.

EDIT: If you want to sacrifice speed for regen, 3 mag regen on infused jewelry + 5 golden Darloc Brae means you have 810 mag regen from jewely, 1340 from DB + my passives, which for me was 744. That leaves us with almost 2900 mag regen on a redguard stamblade which that character is. Add a 2nd set with one mag regen passive and you have over 3k mag regen while crouching.

For a non NB, I can see the issue, but on NB cloak is your friend. Sure it's not very good in combat but DB in 5 piece is amazing for NB stealth play. I would never ever use only 4 pieces of it though since the 5 piece is what makes it one of the best non combat sets out there.

loran59

Not a set, but helpful : khajit = decreased detection radius in Stealth by 3 meters (detection radius -base- is 6.5 meters)

Wildberryjack

idk wrote: »

Wildberryjack wrote: »

I know of those sets. What I'm after is this: my NB is a pure thief, that's all she does. Magicka NB and Vampire abilities are the best for me to use.

If ALL the character ever does is thriving then why worry about the set being oriented towards magical or stamina as it is pretty much irrelevant. Heck, even if you get attacked by an NPC they are so easy to defeat a magicka based character wearing stamina based armor could kill them in a second.

Because one full bar is vampire and that uses magicka. I've got the most optimal setup that I think is possible now but it's still not as good as it could be with a magicka set.

Feric51

Sadly medium armor will always be the best for sneaking because it's literally made from hide.....

phileunderx2

Food helps for mag regen. My theif eats red frothgar drink and uses the atronach mundus stone

Env_t

ShawnLaRock wrote: »

kringled_1 wrote: »

There's a swift Darloc Brae ring as a quest reward.

I keep a separate gear set for sneaking / pick-pick-stab, and just swap it to whichever character wants to go thieving.

I run 5 Night Mother; 3 Night Terror; and 4 Darloc Brae (with 2 of the DB being the “unique” Hidden Moon band with the Swift trait already on them, as suggested above). I can literally stand on an NPC, and they don’t notice me. Lol.

S.

@ShawnLaRock is this also applied to players? they will see you only very close?

Casul

Darloc Brae is absolutely insane for sneak builds. As a vampire with a little Regen you can basically maintain cloak 24/7

ShawnLaRock

Env_t wrote: »

ShawnLaRock wrote: »

kringled_1 wrote: »

There's a swift Darloc Brae ring as a quest reward.

I keep a separate gear set for sneaking / pick-pick-stab, and just swap it to whichever character wants to go thieving.

I run 5 Night Mother; 3 Night Terror; and 4 Darloc Brae (with 2 of the DB being the “unique” Hidden Moon band with the Swift trait already on them, as suggested above). I can literally stand on an NPC, and they don’t notice me. Lol.

S.

@ShawnLaRock is this also applied to players? they will see you only very close?

No. Sneak doesn’t automatically work on players - because it is up to them if they can line of sight you, or not.

For players you need an Invisibility skill, or a potion that makes you invisible.

S.

Edit: sets with a Sneak cost reduction bonus would help you stay crouched while moving, using less Stamina.

barney2525

when you use Magic, it's very 'showy', which is contrary to being sneaky.

Env_t

@ShawnLaRock you sure? because last time i checked detection radius works for players too, in pvp
less radius - closer player must be to see you

Ehym

Detection radius works for players. The smaller your radius, the closer they have to be to see you. If people aren’t using skills/pots/gear to increase their detection radius or reveal hidden players, you can get right next to someone and still be hidden with the right setup, especially as Master Race aka Khajiit.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

Wildberryjack wrote: »

I know of those sets. What I'm after is this: my NB is a pure thief, that's all she does. Magicka NB and Vampire abilities are the best for me to use.

What I need is detection radius reduction but the only sets that offer that are medium with stamina bonuses (Darloc Brae only offers a little magicka regen and it's not the most helpful honestly). I need magicka.

I do have 4 pieces of Darloc Brae for the detection reduction and little bit of magicka regen but am stuck with stamina sets for the rest. So my magicka character has a ton of stamina and no where near enough magicka.

I am putting magicka enchants on everything and using magicka food but it's still tricky. A set that give magicka bonuses and radius detection reduction would be awesome and that's what I really need.

I've asked in my guilds and a lot of others, more than I'd have thought, also tried to find such sets, radius reduction but magicka bonuses not stamina.

Are you aware Darloc Brae allows for unlimited sneak, it is the single best set in the game for a theif.

linuxlady

Vamp passive offers the same doesnt it?

ShawnLaRock

Env_t wrote: »

@ShawnLaRock you sure? because last time i checked detection radius works for players too, in pvp
less radius - closer player must be to see you

You can certainly make any build you want - but in my nearly 4 years of playing, I haven’t seen any PVP build that used Darloc Brae, NME, or Night Terror. Best of luck.

S.

Edit: maybe Darloc for like, the first month that Elsweyr came out - for the Vamp novelty... but that’s about it.

Env_t

Ehym wrote: »

Detection radius works for players. The smaller your radius, the closer they have to be to see you. If people aren’t using skills/pots/gear to increase their detection radius or reveal hidden players, you can get right next to someone and still be hidden with the right setup, especially as Master Race aka Khajiit.

yes, its what i am trying to say

good for pve players who came for quests into Cyro

zaria

Wildberryjack wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Wildberryjack wrote: »

I know of those sets. What I'm after is this: my NB is a pure thief, that's all she does. Magicka NB and Vampire abilities are the best for me to use.

If ALL the character ever does is thriving then why worry about the set being oriented towards magical or stamina as it is pretty much irrelevant. Heck, even if you get attacked by an NPC they are so easy to defeat a magicka based character wearing stamina based armor could kill them in a second.

Because one full bar is vampire and that uses magicka. I've got the most optimal setup that I think is possible now but it's still not as good as it could be with a magicka set.

As other say use 5 pieces of Darloc Brae give tons of recovery.
Hidden Moon Band is an swift ring of set.
Ring of the wild hunt because why not.
Add 3 pieces of Night Terror for even more sneak distance reduction.
Almost want to try this on a Khajiit, sneak radius should be negative. 6.5-3-2-2

Cronopoly

5 Night Mothers, 3 Night Terror got me through Blackheart Haven on my NB chest farming the old sustain Stam set...(cant remember name lol) I wish there was a Magicka equivalent...

Bucky_13

ShawnLaRock wrote: »

Env_t wrote: »

@ShawnLaRock you sure? because last time i checked detection radius works for players too, in pvp
less radius - closer player must be to see you

You can certainly make any build you want - but in my nearly 4 years of playing, I haven’t seen any PVP build that used Darloc Brae, NME, or Night Terror. Best of luck.

S.

Edit: maybe Darloc for like, the first month that Elsweyr came out - for the Vamp novelty... but that’s about it.

I use Darloc regularly in no cp cyro on my vamp stamblade. For my permacloak/speed build it's a nobrainer. I don't use it when I want to kill players however. It one of my favourite sets in the game, awesome for a specific build, but it's not over powered.