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mattaeus01b16_ESO
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Tonight in BLACKREACH, we had a troll... A DC loving Troll, on a EP toon that; while I was on in the 3 hours I was there. Jumped on the scroll before our raid could get there. And would run it around in circles. OVER AND OVER AGAIN. Hide in keeps, run scrolls back to DC side... Or just stand AFK for 5 - 10 mins at a time. At the moment, they are Hanging outside BRK with the scroll, and refuse to run it... They have been reported dozens of times tonight alone.
And yet...
Here we are...
  • ArchMikem
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    There should be a time limit on carrying a Scroll, evetually without being placed anywhere it'll poof back to where it was picked up, but yes those players are insanely annoying, but theyre not actually doing anything reportable.
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  • mattaeus01b16_ESO
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    @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
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    @ZOS_BillE
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    @ZOS_AntonioP
  • mattaeus01b16_ESO
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    They are just standing on the pad now at BRK... been standing there for 10 mins in between slamming EP as well, being a general arse.
  • Qbiken
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    Should've taken the scroll faster, it's really that simple. Whoever picks it up is free to do whatever they like with it. You want it, you better pick it up.
  • mattaeus01b16_ESO
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    Qbiken wrote: »
    Should've taken the scroll faster, it's really that simple. Whoever picks it up is free to do whatever they like with it. You want it, you better pick it up.

    Wow, soooo insightful. THANKS FOR THAT! But NO, because our raid opened the gate, and they waited for it to open. Even though we had people there too. They would still manage to grab it. SO ITS NOT LIKE WE DAMN WELL DIDNT TRY. [snip]

    [Edited to remove Baiting]
    Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on August 7, 2020 11:57AM
  • d3adpain
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    [snip] its the player who pick it up SCROLL not YOURS even if you siege the keeps

    [Edited to remove Baiting]
    Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on August 7, 2020 11:57AM
  • Girl_Number8
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    It is not reportable and will be called creative thinking.

    You say EP but they could be a spy, helping another alliance. Possibly someone that doesn’t like or share your Zergs or Small scale groups agenda.

    Taking a scroll is strategic in many ways the newer players do not think of.
  • deleted221106-002999
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    Yep, it's pvp and anything goes; you may loathe it and the player but it's a perfectly legitimate strategy.

    Of course, having proper in-game zos employees running around as referees enforcing any rules of pre-established engagement would be able to tag any such player as a 'spy' and, since everyone hates spies, killable by any faction/player for remainder of campaign.

    But last time anyone saw a zos rep in game was 'coincidentally' when someone posted a major rant thread about their conspicuous absence and then just 'happened' to stream them in Shornhelm shortly after.

    Guess that's a legitimate strategy, too.
  • Artorias24
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    But alLiAnCe lOcK wILl pReVenT ThIs

    Actually i saw more trolls with scrolls since alliance lock cause players are upset with alliance lock.
  • mattaeus01b16_ESO
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    Spies can be killed..... AS far as that is, they should be flagged KOS to everyone after a certain time.
  • Artorias24
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    mattaeus01b16_ESO wrote: »
    Spies can be killed..... AS far as that is, they should be flagged KOS to everyone after a certain time.

    How do you identify a spy?
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    Artorias24 wrote: »
    mattaeus01b16_ESO wrote: »
    Spies can be killed..... AS far as that is, they should be flagged KOS to everyone after a certain time.

    How do you identify a spy?

    Because the said spy, is in chat beaking off zone chat. And grabbing the scroll before anyone else can. Then hiding and holding it for an hour. Then eventually dropping it at the door of the other alliance?
    OH RIGHT! Its a strategy pissing off a whole zone, and you can do nothing about it.. Except pay cash for any alliance? Level a toon... [snip]?
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    Or maybe, they can let alliances deal with their own alliance?

    [Edited to remove Profanity]
    Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on August 7, 2020 11:59AM
  • mairwen85
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    mattaeus01b16_ESO wrote: »
    Artorias24 wrote: »
    mattaeus01b16_ESO wrote: »
    Spies can be killed..... AS far as that is, they should be flagged KOS to everyone after a certain time.

    How do you identify a spy?

    Because the said spy, is in chat beaking off zone chat. And grabbing the scroll before anyone else can. Then hiding and holding it for an hour. Then eventually dropping it at the door of the other alliance?
    OH RIGHT! Its a strategy pissing off a whole zone, and you can do nothing about it.. Except pay cash for any alliance? Level a toon... bitchslap the ***?
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    Or maybe, they can let alliances deal with their own alliance?

    How would that work? And how would you prevent it from being abused?
  • Curious_Death
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    mattaeus01b16_ESO wrote: »
    Tonight in BLACKREACH, we had a troll... A DC loving Troll, on a EP toon that; while I was on in the 3 hours I was there. Jumped on the scroll before our raid could get there. And would run it around in circles. OVER AND OVER AGAIN. Hide in keeps, run scrolls back to DC side... Or just stand AFK for 5 - 10 mins at a time. At the moment, they are Hanging outside BRK with the scroll, and refuse to run it... They have been reported dozens of times tonight alone.
    And yet...
    Here we are...

    A DC loving troll O_O wow! Thats a new thing... in Gray Host we have couple of EP lovers that takes EP scrolls and run around temple watching DC dies in unfair fight under EP respawn!
    I see when it happens to EP whole forum is shaking but we DC deals with this mess without cry for years! have fun!
    edit.
    My friend from EP told me that some ppl in EP even tell to DO NOT ATTACK TROLL - ATTACK DC - that's the mess in cyrodiil.
    Edited by Curious_Death on August 7, 2020 8:37AM
  • Artorias24
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    mattaeus01b16_ESO wrote: »
    Artorias24 wrote: »
    mattaeus01b16_ESO wrote: »
    Spies can be killed..... AS far as that is, they should be flagged KOS to everyone after a certain time.

    How do you identify a spy?

    Because the said spy, is in chat beaking off zone chat. And grabbing the scroll before anyone else can. Then hiding and holding it for an hour. Then eventually dropping it at the door of the other alliance?
    OH RIGHT! Its a strategy pissing off a whole zone, and you can do nothing about it.. Except pay cash for any alliance? Level a toon... bitchslap the ***?
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    Or maybe, they can let alliances deal with their own alliance?

    So If you have identified the Spy, you want to flag them for KOS also by their own alliance?

    That would be highly exploitable cause bigger guilds for example could just flag someone for KOS who they dont like and Team kill them.

    Same for trolls, normal player carries scroll, Mass flag him as Spy, kill him, take scroll and troll with it.

    There will always be trolls, spies and whatever. Its a video game after all.

    And since er dont have any Gamemasters you kinda have to deal with them.
  • Thoragaal
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    mattaeus01b16_ESO wrote: »
    Tonight in BLACKREACH, we had a troll... A DC loving Troll, on a EP toon that; while I was on in the 3 hours I was there. Jumped on the scroll before our raid could get there. And would run it around in circles. OVER AND OVER AGAIN. Hide in keeps, run scrolls back to DC side... Or just stand AFK for 5 - 10 mins at a time. At the moment, they are Hanging outside BRK with the scroll, and refuse to run it... They have been reported dozens of times tonight alone.
    And yet...
    Here we are...

    Unfortunately this type of behavior has been going on for years without anything being done about it.
    Altough I hope ZOS eventually do something about it. Because it's been abused like mad.
    Unfortunately, the best take on it is to "simply not care about the objective" for your own sanity.
    The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
    "I've always wanted to kick a duck up the arse" -Karl Pilkington, on the question what he'd do if it was the last day on earth.
  • Curious_Death
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    solution -block chat between hostile alliances!
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    Thoragaal wrote: »
    mattaeus01b16_ESO wrote: »
    Tonight in BLACKREACH, we had a troll... A DC loving Troll, on a EP toon that; while I was on in the 3 hours I was there. Jumped on the scroll before our raid could get there. And would run it around in circles. OVER AND OVER AGAIN. Hide in keeps, run scrolls back to DC side... Or just stand AFK for 5 - 10 mins at a time. At the moment, they are Hanging outside BRK with the scroll, and refuse to run it... They have been reported dozens of times tonight alone.
    And yet...
    Here we are...

    Unfortunately this type of behavior has been going on for years without anything being done about it.
    Altough I hope ZOS eventually do something about it. Because it's been abused like mad.
    Unfortunately, the best take on it is to "simply not care about the objective" for your own sanity.

    solution - something like hammer - u have 1 min to run 500m otherwise u drop scroll - no more ballgroups farming AP with scroll in hostile fort
  • mattaeus01b16_ESO
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    mairwen85 wrote: »
    mattaeus01b16_ESO wrote: »
    Artorias24 wrote: »
    mattaeus01b16_ESO wrote: »
    Spies can be killed..... AS far as that is, they should be flagged KOS to everyone after a certain time.

    How do you identify a spy?

    Because the said spy, is in chat beaking off zone chat. And grabbing the scroll before anyone else can. Then hiding and holding it for an hour. Then eventually dropping it at the door of the other alliance?
    OH RIGHT! Its a strategy pissing off a whole zone, and you can do nothing about it.. Except pay cash for any alliance? Level a toon... bitchslap the ***?
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    Or maybe, they can let alliances deal with their own alliance?

    How would that work? And how would you prevent it from being abused?

    How would you prevent your own alliance from retrieving a scroll, when they refuse to drop it, and are hiding out in a keep?
  • mattaeus01b16_ESO
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    Artorias24 wrote: »
    mattaeus01b16_ESO wrote: »
    Artorias24 wrote: »
    mattaeus01b16_ESO wrote: »
    Spies can be killed..... AS far as that is, they should be flagged KOS to everyone after a certain time.

    How do you identify a spy?

    Because the said spy, is in chat beaking off zone chat. And grabbing the scroll before anyone else can. Then hiding and holding it for an hour. Then eventually dropping it at the door of the other alliance?
    OH RIGHT! Its a strategy pissing off a whole zone, and you can do nothing about it.. Except pay cash for any alliance? Level a toon... bitchslap the ***?
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    Or maybe, they can let alliances deal with their own alliance?

    So If you have identified the Spy, you want to flag them for KOS also by their own alliance?

    That would be highly exploitable cause bigger guilds for example could just flag someone for KOS who they dont like and Team kill them.

    Same for trolls, normal player carries scroll, Mass flag him as Spy, kill him, take scroll and troll with it.

    There will always be trolls, spies and whatever. Its a video game after all.

    And since er dont have any Gamemasters you kinda have to deal with them.

    No.. they hang onto the scroll for long enough, they get flagged... its that easy
  • mattaeus01b16_ESO
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    Thoragaal wrote: »
    mattaeus01b16_ESO wrote: »
    Tonight in BLACKREACH, we had a troll... A DC loving Troll, on a EP toon that; while I was on in the 3 hours I was there. Jumped on the scroll before our raid could get there. And would run it around in circles. OVER AND OVER AGAIN. Hide in keeps, run scrolls back to DC side... Or just stand AFK for 5 - 10 mins at a time. At the moment, they are Hanging outside BRK with the scroll, and refuse to run it... They have been reported dozens of times tonight alone.
    And yet...
    Here we are...

    Unfortunately this type of behavior has been going on for years without anything being done about it.
    Altough I hope ZOS eventually do something about it. Because it's been abused like mad.
    Unfortunately, the best take on it is to "simply not care about the objective" for your own sanity.

    That is ABSOLUTELY messed. So basically everyone in Cry-o-dill, just sits back and takes it? Iv seen a lot of stupid [snip] in there. But really. Everyone has just become complacent with it?

    [Edited to remove Profanity]
    Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on August 7, 2020 12:50PM
  • Rianai
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    Just let the enemies kill the troll, then kill them and grab scroll yourself?

    Oh, there were no enemies? Too bad, guess you need to stop PvDooring then ....
    Edited by Rianai on August 7, 2020 8:57AM
  • mairwen85
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    mattaeus01b16_ESO wrote: »
    mairwen85 wrote: »
    mattaeus01b16_ESO wrote: »
    Artorias24 wrote: »
    mattaeus01b16_ESO wrote: »
    Spies can be killed..... AS far as that is, they should be flagged KOS to everyone after a certain time.

    How do you identify a spy?

    Because the said spy, is in chat beaking off zone chat. And grabbing the scroll before anyone else can. Then hiding and holding it for an hour. Then eventually dropping it at the door of the other alliance?
    OH RIGHT! Its a strategy pissing off a whole zone, and you can do nothing about it.. Except pay cash for any alliance? Level a toon... bitchslap the ***?
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    Or maybe, they can let alliances deal with their own alliance?

    How would that work? And how would you prevent it from being abused?

    How would you prevent your own alliance from retrieving a scroll, when they refuse to drop it, and are hiding out in a keep?

    I'm not sure I can think of a way which couldn't be abused, that's why I asked you.

    Edited by mairwen85 on August 7, 2020 8:59AM
  • finehair
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    There is a quite easy solution for this.
    When someone carries the scroll; they see ranges on their map, like camp range indicators. These circles will be covering their alliance's homekeeps. Say, if the scroll carrier doesn't get into these safe zone in a certain amount of time; they are now kill on sight, or they get their health drained similar to volendrung user when it's out of AP.
    When the scroll carrier arrives in one of these circles there are now 2 options; either drop the scroll in the pedestal in a certain amount of time, or rush to other keep's safe circle in a certain amount of time. If not, you get killed because "muh elder scroll is a heavy burden to carry".
    So what i am thinking is; when someone captures a scroll, this safe zone appears in their map, bordering their alliance's part of the map. If they do not come to that border in time, they die. When they do arrive in that border, there will be circles around homekeeps (similar to camp circles) that are currently owned by their alliance now, since they are in "safezone". Next objective is to carry that scroll to one of those new safezones and drop the scroll in pedestal in the time given or you die.
    For alliance's own scrolls, the safe zone is only the scroll temple. And if the carrier doesn't arrive there in time, they die.
    Now the only hard part is to manage these timers and the scroll's usual reset time we have now.
    Since even a legit scroll carrier with their group following them might get into a fight along the way and that will slow them down. But well, you gotta be fast to run a scroll you signed up for it.
    Also these timers must be indicated on the carrier's screen, just like volendrung timer.
    That would kind of stop the scroll farming as well.
    That's my idea anywyay.
  • Artorias24
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    mattaeus01b16_ESO wrote: »
    Artorias24 wrote: »
    mattaeus01b16_ESO wrote: »
    Artorias24 wrote: »
    mattaeus01b16_ESO wrote: »
    Spies can be killed..... AS far as that is, they should be flagged KOS to everyone after a certain time.

    How do you identify a spy?

    Because the said spy, is in chat beaking off zone chat. And grabbing the scroll before anyone else can. Then hiding and holding it for an hour. Then eventually dropping it at the door of the other alliance?
    OH RIGHT! Its a strategy pissing off a whole zone, and you can do nothing about it.. Except pay cash for any alliance? Level a toon... bitchslap the ***?
    EDIT
    EDIT
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    Or maybe, they can let alliances deal with their own alliance?

    So If you have identified the Spy, you want to flag them for KOS also by their own alliance?

    That would be highly exploitable cause bigger guilds for example could just flag someone for KOS who they dont like and Team kill them.

    Same for trolls, normal player carries scroll, Mass flag him as Spy, kill him, take scroll and troll with it.

    There will always be trolls, spies and whatever. Its a video game after all.

    And since er dont have any Gamemasters you kinda have to deal with them.

    No.. they hang onto the scroll for long enough, they get flagged... its that easy

    I saw fights between two alliances going on for long time Open field. Two big groups fighting for the scroll. Imagine the scroll carrier getting flagged after some time and just instantly explodes to friendly fire. Stupid Idea.

    Just STOP begging to ZOS to take care about spies and scroll trolls. Either grab the scroll first or deal with it.
  • Artorias24
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    Curious_Death wrote: »
    solution -block chat between hostile alliances!

    Never heard of Chat-Programs outside of the ingame chat in ESO? Hahaha ok
  • jecks33
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    PVP is war and war includes spies


    (i'm not a spy, i play mono-faction o:) )
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    mattaeus01b16_ESO wrote: »
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    Report for what actually? For playing the game not to your liking?
    Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on August 7, 2020 12:00PM
  • mattaeus01b16_ESO
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    nukk3r wrote: »
    mattaeus01b16_ESO wrote: »
    [Quoted post was removed]

    Report for what actually? For playing the game not to your liking?

    No.. For literally being a troll. The last scroll they took. They ran it to the keep and went AFK on the pad untill they got booted. This is.. Im sorry. To your liking? I mean. No one could do anything, and the other alliances were not strong enough at the time to get it back? So basically F* everyone else cause ONE troll is touching himself cause ZOS does nothing? PFFT
    Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on August 7, 2020 12:01PM
  • mairwen85
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    mairwen85 wrote: »
    mattaeus01b16_ESO wrote: »
    Artorias24 wrote: »
    mattaeus01b16_ESO wrote: »
    Spies can be killed..... AS far as that is, they should be flagged KOS to everyone after a certain time.

    How do you identify a spy?

    Because the said spy, is in chat beaking off zone chat. And grabbing the scroll before anyone else can. Then hiding and holding it for an hour. Then eventually dropping it at the door of the other alliance?
    OH RIGHT! Its a strategy pissing off a whole zone, and you can do nothing about it.. Except pay cash for any alliance? Level a toon... bitchslap the ***?
    EDIT
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    Or maybe, they can let alliances deal with their own alliance?

    How would that work? And how would you prevent it from being abused?
    mattaeus01b16_ESO wrote: »
    nukk3r wrote: »
    mattaeus01b16_ESO wrote: »
    So its not like there was anything we could do about it except report hit dumb *** to ZOS. So they can do nothing.
    Its garbage. No matter how many people report this crap.

    Report for what actually? For playing the game not to your liking?

    No.. For literally being a troll. The last scroll they took. They ran it to the keep and went AFK on the pad untill they got booted. This is.. Im sorry. To your liking? I mean. No one could do anything, and the other alliances were not strong enough at the time to get it back? So basically F* everyone else cause ONE troll is touching himself cause ZOS does nothing? PFFT

    So, taking it back to the realms of conversation, what would you suggest would be the way it could be dealt with? Reporting to ZOS and expecting immediate action is off the table, because that doesn't happen anywhere; so we'd be looking at in-game- methods to police your own alliance... and how is that achievable without giving option for abuse? That's the issue here. Yes, that guy was a ***, but what can be done, or what tools could ZOS provide, and how would that work? What I'm saying is, you've identified the problem, so let's think of a viable solution.
    Edited by mairwen85 on August 7, 2020 11:18AM
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