DD players, do you compete with your team mates?

Grandchamp1989

In Dungeon's and Trials, do you look at Combat Metrics (or other for console) and compete with your fellow DDs for numbers and fast clears?

I'm not gonna lie, I do it sometimes if I can see I'm very close with the other DD in the group I step it up lol.

kathandira

Grandchamp1989 wrote: »

In Dungeon's and Trials, do you look at Combat Metrics (or other for console) and compete with your fellow DDs for numbers and fast clears?

I'm not gonna lie, I do it sometimes if I can see I'm very close with the other DD in the group I step it up lol.

Sadly there is no "other" for consoles. We get shafted on metrics. The only way we can compete with each other is Dummy Humping and showing off our fake parces.

Everest_Lionheart

kathandira wrote: »

Grandchamp1989 wrote: »

In Dungeon's and Trials, do you look at Combat Metrics (or other for console) and compete with your fellow DDs for numbers and fast clears?

I'm not gonna lie, I do it sometimes if I can see I'm very close with the other DD in the group I step it up lol.

Sadly there is no "other" for consoles. We get shafted on metrics. The only way we can compete with each other is Dummy Humping and showing off our fake parces.

Yeah no competition here on console, but with no competition comes no pressure to perform in trials. Normal has no pressure anyway, be we have to share our “fake parses” to get into vet trials.

It’s crazy though coming from solo centric characters where you have completely differ r setups to trail toons where it’s very mechanical and repetitive. Honestly solo is more fun to play for the challenge like killing WBs or clearing dungeons solo. Trails is fun for group dynamics, so long as things are going well. Cloudrest +3 will tear groups apart though. Even on console.

Casul

I compete here on PS4 with my friends on our dummy parses. It's keep healthy competition and allows us to all progress forward.

mairwen85

kathandira wrote: »

Grandchamp1989 wrote: »

In Dungeon's and Trials, do you look at Combat Metrics (or other for console) and compete with your fellow DDs for numbers and fast clears?

I'm not gonna lie, I do it sometimes if I can see I'm very close with the other DD in the group I step it up lol.

Sadly there is no "other" for consoles. We get shafted on metrics. The only way we can compete with each other is Dummy Humping and showing off our fake parces.

Define 'fake' I don't quite understand in context.

Yusuf

Yes, almost every time except for hard bossfights were I'm too distracted by mechanics like DLC-Hardmodes. If we're close dps-wise or if the other dd is a friend i try to get at least 1% more group-damage than that person.

I like eso and I like being good at things that I like, nothing wrong with that^^

Everest_Lionheart

mairwen85 wrote: »

kathandira wrote: »

Grandchamp1989 wrote: »

In Dungeon's and Trials, do you look at Combat Metrics (or other for console) and compete with your fellow DDs for numbers and fast clears?

I'm not gonna lie, I do it sometimes if I can see I'm very close with the other DD in the group I step it up lol.

Sadly there is no "other" for consoles. We get shafted on metrics. The only way we can compete with each other is Dummy Humping and showing off our fake parces.

Define 'fake' I don't quite understand in context.

I understand it to mean that a parse goes nothing like an actual fight. No mechanics, no adds, no rezing downed teammates, less synergies, no movement, different food, sometimes different gear pieces than what you would use in an actual trial just to boost numbers, etc.

One the upside it’s shows people have a decent knowledge of how their build actually works and whether the can sustain and put out enough damage to be useful in a fight so long as they can stay off the floor!

luen79rwb17_ESO

I "compete" with performance and lag first. Not much left for more competition sadly.

the1andonlyskwex

I'm not DD, but I've always seen (objective/measurable) competition with friends/teammates as most of the appeal of playing DPS over support.

mairwen85

Everest_Lionheart wrote: »

mairwen85 wrote: »

kathandira wrote: »

Grandchamp1989 wrote: »

In Dungeon's and Trials, do you look at Combat Metrics (or other for console) and compete with your fellow DDs for numbers and fast clears?

I'm not gonna lie, I do it sometimes if I can see I'm very close with the other DD in the group I step it up lol.

Sadly there is no "other" for consoles. We get shafted on metrics. The only way we can compete with each other is Dummy Humping and showing off our fake parces.

Define 'fake' I don't quite understand in context.

I understand it to mean that a parse goes nothing like an actual fight. No mechanics, no adds, no rezing downed teammates, less synergies, no movement, different food, sometimes different gear pieces than what you would use in an actual trial just to boost numbers, etc.

One the upside it’s shows people have a decent knowledge of how their build actually works and whether the can sustain and put out enough damage to be useful in a fight so long as they can stay off the floor!

That first part misses the point of a parse. But, sure, OK.

kathandira

mairwen85 wrote: »

kathandira wrote: »

Grandchamp1989 wrote: »

In Dungeon's and Trials, do you look at Combat Metrics (or other for console) and compete with your fellow DDs for numbers and fast clears?

I'm not gonna lie, I do it sometimes if I can see I'm very close with the other DD in the group I step it up lol.

Sadly there is no "other" for consoles. We get shafted on metrics. The only way we can compete with each other is Dummy Humping and showing off our fake parces.

Define 'fake' I don't quite understand in context.

Dummy Parses are a representation of your ability to maintain/sustain a rotation. But they are not a true representation of your DPS during an encounter. Since each encounter is different, you will have different results based on the mechanics of the enemy. So if you are doing 70k over 2* minutes on a dummy that is good, it shows you know your rotation and can sustain it. However 2 minutes on an actual boss is likely not going to be standing still beating it up. You will need to be performing mechanics as well, which when you look at the DPM (Damage Per Minute) it will not be the same between the two.

PC gets live metrics where they can see their true DPS on each encounter. But a Dummy Parse is not an accurate representation of a live encounter.

Vevvev

I compete with myself mostly. If the target ain't dying fast enough I try harder.

Pajor

Yes, i do lol and i hate that i do it. Harder to enjoy content.

sarahthes

Competing with my teammates is fun and drives me to be better.

Ri_Khan

I like competition and numbers so was definitely using this add-on and talking smack to team-mates. It was all fun and games running dungeons with friends but in trials with less familiar folks, I eventually (and unintentionally) bruised some egos and caused the trouble so I stopped using it.

r3turn2s3nd3r

kathandira wrote: »

mairwen85 wrote: »

kathandira wrote: »

Grandchamp1989 wrote: »

In Dungeon's and Trials, do you look at Combat Metrics (or other for console) and compete with your fellow DDs for numbers and fast clears?

I'm not gonna lie, I do it sometimes if I can see I'm very close with the other DD in the group I step it up lol.

Sadly there is no "other" for consoles. We get shafted on metrics. The only way we can compete with each other is Dummy Humping and showing off our fake parces.

Define 'fake' I don't quite understand in context.

Dummy Parses are a representation of your ability to maintain/sustain a rotation. But they are not a true representation of your DPS during an encounter. Since each encounter is different, you will have different results based on the mechanics of the enemy. So if you are doing 70k over 2* minutes on a dummy that is good, it shows you know your rotation and can sustain it. However 2 minutes on an actual boss is likely not going to be standing still beating it up. You will need to be performing mechanics as well, which when you look at the DPM (Damage Per Minute) it will not be the same between the two.

PC gets live metrics where they can see their true DPS on each encounter. But a Dummy Parse is not an accurate representation of a live encounter.

I think most groups that run trials and have a dps test know that's not what's going to be the reality for most groups, but there are the best of the best that do, in fact, hit the same level in content that they do on the dummy. Further, if you can't hit 5 buttons in a semi-set sequence in a static environment and produce passable DPS, well..... I have zero confidence you can in actual content either.

Fur_like_snow

Of course why wouldn’t I?

Daemons_Bane

Not in the slightest.. waste of time

Thannazzar

PVE is collaborative, I'd rather take DPS with utility and survivability into group content with me than glass cannon meta clones that are chasing parse elitism.

the1andonlyskwex

Thannazzar wrote: »

PVE is collaborative, I'd rather take DPS with utility and survivability into group content with me than glass cannon meta clones that are chasing parse elitism.

In most games, sure, but in ESO survivability mostly just means you know how to dodge one-shots, and utility all comes from tanks and healers (because their roles can't do much else, with all the one-shots).

Lady_Sleepless

Nothing wrong with friendly competition, it's when it gets salty that I think people need to cool down. Lots of dd's have fun comparing in our regular trial runs.

ForzaRammer

mairwen85 wrote: »

kathandira wrote: »

Grandchamp1989 wrote: »

In Dungeon's and Trials, do you look at Combat Metrics (or other for console) and compete with your fellow DDs for numbers and fast clears?

I'm not gonna lie, I do it sometimes if I can see I'm very close with the other DD in the group I step it up lol.

Sadly there is no "other" for consoles. We get shafted on metrics. The only way we can compete with each other is Dummy Humping and showing off our fake parces.

Define 'fake' I don't quite understand in context.

I want to understand as well

Treb_U_Shae

Nonstop. Compete with my personal best, friend and randos in my group during raids/trials, and when oarsing ofc try to achieve better results than before. I am obsessed with Hodor/Combat metrics output and I look at it constantly throughout the fight, observing peaks, my starting position, and notice whenever a skill doesn't fire, as it lowers the numbers a noticeable amount.

colossalvoids

Don't run cmx for more than a year probably, but if there's a person on logs above me that's a sign i should look at my setup for that particular fight closely and pay more attention if not server ping/fps related. Always should look up ways to be better if possible.

Aznarb

the1andonlyskwex wrote: »

Thannazzar wrote: »

PVE is collaborative, I'd rather take DPS with utility and survivability into group content with me than glass cannon meta clones that are chasing parse elitism.

In most games, sure, but in ESO survivability mostly just means you know how to dodge one-shots, and utility all comes from tanks and healers (because their roles can't do much else, with all the one-shots).

The sad truth.

mairwen85

kathandira wrote: »

mairwen85 wrote: »

kathandira wrote: »

Grandchamp1989 wrote: »

In Dungeon's and Trials, do you look at Combat Metrics (or other for console) and compete with your fellow DDs for numbers and fast clears?

I'm not gonna lie, I do it sometimes if I can see I'm very close with the other DD in the group I step it up lol.

Sadly there is no "other" for consoles. We get shafted on metrics. The only way we can compete with each other is Dummy Humping and showing off our fake parces.

Define 'fake' I don't quite understand in context.

Dummy Parses are a representation of your ability to maintain/sustain a rotation. But they are not a true representation of your DPS during an encounter. Since each encounter is different, you will have different results based on the mechanics of the enemy. So if you are doing 70k over 2* minutes on a dummy that is good, it shows you know your rotation and can sustain it. However 2 minutes on an actual boss is likely not going to be standing still beating it up. You will need to be performing mechanics as well, which when you look at the DPM (Damage Per Minute) it will not be the same between the two.

PC gets live metrics where they can see their true DPS on each encounter. But a Dummy Parse is not an accurate representation of a live encounter.

No one expects a dummy parse to be a reflection of a live encounter in an actual dungeon (or rather, they shouldn't if they know much of anything at all about combat), and using a parse for measuring epeen is one of the most ridiculous things people use them for. We're talking clean-room performance metrics. They indicate what a player can achieve under the right, perfect conditions. That said, I often get more synergies in actual content than off the dummy and have seen my dps less than a parse, more or less equal to, and sometimes even spiking higher than--it's not 'fake' unless you've doctored it imho. Same time, its also a good benchmark for basic capability as you outline in your reply. A player who hits 15K on the trial dummy wont be hitting that in an actual encounter either for example.

svendf

Compete on my own like rotation and clean play in dungeons (Ps4). Normal reactions I se in dungeons are player´s, who compete against me I feel - and very common when I´m on one of my three healer.
starting out me throw some wall of elements, combattprayer and AOE heal nice and easy - just normal.

Then it happens ) I go into the middle of a mobb and release my whole dps back bar with bubble and all and smashes them.

It´s like waking the hornets nest, the dds goes totaly mad the rest of the dungeon and I can take it easy rest of the way to a certen degree.

Yes some player´s do compete agains other player´s, but not all. Yes I do laugh everytime because it´s so easy to se, what´s going on

I´m on PS4 beecause I want a app free game experience and as clean as possible - that´t why i´m not on PC and never will be

mairwen85

svendf wrote: »

Compete on my own like rotation and clean play in dungeons (Ps4). Normal reactions I se in dungeons are player´s, who compete against me I feel - and very common when I´m on one of my three healer.
starting out me throw some wall of elements, combattprayer and AOE heal nice and easy - just normal.

Then it happens ) I go into the middle of a mobb and release my whole dps back bar with bubble and all and smashes them.

It´s like waking the hornets nest, the dds goes totaly mad the rest of the dungeon and I can take it easy rest of the way to a certen degree.

Yes some player´s do compete agains other player´s, but not all. Yes I do laugh everytime because it´s so easy to se, what´s going on

I´m on PS4 beecause I want a app free game experience and as clean as possible - that´t why i´m not on PC and never will be

So you throw out a challenge to try and kickstart dps? SMH that they even feel the need to compete with a healer

I have an app-free game experience on PC too

Nirntrotter

Only within my progression group, and then also only to people who play the same class. Otherwise I just try to push my own limits.

svendf

mairwen85 wrote: »

svendf wrote: »

Compete on my own like rotation and clean play in dungeons (Ps4). Normal reactions I se in dungeons are player´s, who compete against me I feel - and very common when I´m on one of my three healer.
starting out me throw some wall of elements, combattprayer and AOE heal nice and easy - just normal.

Then it happens ) I go into the middle of a mobb and release my whole dps back bar with bubble and all and smashes them.

It´s like waking the hornets nest, the dds goes totaly mad the rest of the dungeon and I can take it easy rest of the way to a certen degree.

Yes some player´s do compete agains other player´s, but not all. Yes I do laugh everytime because it´s so easy to se, what´s going on

I´m on PS4 beecause I want a app free game experience and as clean as possible - that´t why i´m not on PC and never will be

So you throw out a challenge to try and kickstart dps? SMH that they even feel the need to compete with a healer

I have an app-free game experience on PC too

They react to what they se. Yes I feel like - hey we can´t get out played by a healer. The reaction is so massive at times it´s hard to believe.

My best day´s or runs is, when I just use some prayer and AOE heal. Call me lazy lol

TwinLamps

This thread lacks inclusion.
Should have been DDs and Fake Tanks