Magicka NB @ pvp i need help

AhSeLYaG

İ ve been playing some stamina toons for a while. But i like the idea of a sneaky class ganking from shadows😁
So i spent some time and effort &money and made a khajit magicka nb pvp toon.

After entering cyrodiil First week all my impression about the class was so underwhelming. Nightblade reminds a burst hitter class name. But in practice the only thing i liked about the class was movement speed. İ tried to be a burst hit n run class and
My problems;
1-İn 6 light 1 medium setup i ve like 9 k physical and spell resist ; 14 k when i use cloak for a few seconds-is there a skill am i missing?
2-my hp is low playing with 22 k hp with witcmother ; i see nearly all players have +30 k hp should i invest more on hp?
3-i tried spinner+spell strategist+1 piece valkyn skoria+ wild hunt ring. İ am pretty fast this way; but even with 2 offensive sets i cant hit enough? İ used elemental weapon incap and %90 of the time cant get any kills nor make enough damage even to decrease hp of opponent to %50. İncap is very hard to land.also i am pretty dead if opponent reacts and counter attacks ( as normal)
4- cloak seems to be the only way to survive ; but most of the time i am countered with mage lights and aoes. İ tried shirld from light armor tree but its only 5.8 k ; i see sorcerers 28 -30 k hp and all their hp shielded; how can i do the same?

On healing side i use restoration staff skill. After using vigor it is very underwhelming. Usually it doesnot target me either 😁any skills u can advice for proper healing.

Does this class has any burst skills?on demand or delayed?
After week one my friends told me to wear caluurion for burst. Lol caluurion is hitting fot 5-6 k to 30 k hp opponents.and idea of an entire class depended on a single item set to play doesnot seems fair? Nearly all my skills are melee range and single target so soyldnot they hit harder? ;the supposed to be burst bow skill need several light attacks to land on target(meanwhile i am dead😁)
Class doesnot have a major sorcery skill which doesnot puts me out of stealth?eithout engaging combat?

So all in all should i delete the toon and give up the idea of a shadowy ganker? Or can u advice anothet class for this type of game play?
Ty

Emmagoldman

Maybe post in the pvp section

J_Am

You can start from this build, but it feels lack of mag regen to permacloak
https://youtu.be/19W1f1NlBPE
Sadly, magblade's delayed burst is '"Caluurion legacy". On demand burst is "merciless resolve" unless your opponent demand to dodge after hearing the sound notification.

Jeremy

AhSeLYaG wrote: »

İ ve been playing some stamina toons for a while. But i like the idea of a sneaky class ganking from shadows😁
So i spent some time and effort &money and made a khajit magicka nb pvp toon.

After entering cyrodiil First week all my impression about the class was so underwhelming. Nightblade reminds a burst hitter class name. But in practice the only thing i liked about the class was movement speed. İ tried to be a burst hit n run class and
My problems;
1-İn 6 light 1 medium setup i ve like 9 k physical and spell resist ; 14 k when i use cloak for a few seconds-is there a skill am i missing?
2-my hp is low playing with 22 k hp with witcmother ; i see nearly all players have +30 k hp should i invest more on hp?
3-i tried spinner+spell strategist+1 piece valkyn skoria+ wild hunt ring. İ am pretty fast this way; but even with 2 offensive sets i cant hit enough? İ used elemental weapon incap and %90 of the time cant get any kills nor make enough damage even to decrease hp of opponent to %50. İncap is very hard to land.also i am pretty dead if opponent reacts and counter attacks ( as normal)
4- cloak seems to be the only way to survive ; but most of the time i am countered with mage lights and aoes. İ tried shirld from light armor tree but its only 5.8 k ; i see sorcerers 28 -30 k hp and all their hp shielded; how can i do the same?

On healing side i use restoration staff skill. After using vigor it is very underwhelming. Usually it doesnot target me either 😁any skills u can advice for proper healing.

Does this class has any burst skills?on demand or delayed?
After week one my friends told me to wear caluurion for burst. Lol caluurion is hitting fot 5-6 k to 30 k hp opponents.and idea of an entire class depended on a single item set to play doesnot seems fair? Nearly all my skills are melee range and single target so soyldnot they hit harder? ;the supposed to be burst bow skill need several light attacks to land on target(meanwhile i am dead😁)
Class doesnot have a major sorcery skill which doesnot puts me out of stealth?eithout engaging combat?

So all in all should i delete the toon and give up the idea of a shadowy ganker? Or can u advice anothet class for this type of game play?
Ty

Might want to try teaming up your Caluurion with Zaan, see if that helps you. I also like to use Mist Form. It's good for putting distance between you and your enemy so you can cloak more successfully to escape.

When it comes to healing, I use restoration staff also (Rapid regen). If there is anything better for your situation to heal with I haven't found it.

AhSeLYaG

Ty for your comments. İt seems magicka SOFTBLADE is not in a good position. Lack of a burst skill for a assasination type class is really disappointing. Lack of a reliable selfheal ; major sorcery also encourging. İt is what it is.. i ll try some more and may return to stamina maybe..

MrBrownstone

I'd just return to stamina, magnb is not in a good position currently. I have a stamnb and destroy people

Fur_like_snow

Drop wild hunt and pick up a monster set like balorgh that’ll help with burst currently you’re leaving way to much damage on the table for a little bit of situational speed.

Ectheliontnacil

AhSeLYaG wrote: »

İ ve been playing some stamina toons for a while. But i like the idea of a sneaky class ganking from shadows😁
So i spent some time and effort &money and made a khajit magicka nb pvp toon.

After entering cyrodiil First week all my impression about the class was so underwhelming. Nightblade reminds a burst hitter class name. But in practice the only thing i liked about the class was movement speed. İ tried to be a burst hit n run class and
My problems;
1-İn 6 light 1 medium setup i ve like 9 k physical and spell resist ; 14 k when i use cloak for a few seconds-is there a skill am i missing?
2-my hp is low playing with 22 k hp with witcmother ; i see nearly all players have +30 k hp should i invest more on hp?
3-i tried spinner+spell strategist+1 piece valkyn skoria+ wild hunt ring. İ am pretty fast this way; but even with 2 offensive sets i cant hit enough? İ used elemental weapon incap and %90 of the time cant get any kills nor make enough damage even to decrease hp of opponent to %50. İncap is very hard to land.also i am pretty dead if opponent reacts and counter attacks ( as normal)
4- cloak seems to be the only way to survive ; but most of the time i am countered with mage lights and aoes. İ tried shirld from light armor tree but its only 5.8 k ; i see sorcerers 28 -30 k hp and all their hp shielded; how can i do the same?

On healing side i use restoration staff skill. After using vigor it is very underwhelming. Usually it doesnot target me either 😁any skills u can advice for proper healing.

Does this class has any burst skills?on demand or delayed?
After week one my friends told me to wear caluurion for burst. Lol caluurion is hitting fot 5-6 k to 30 k hp opponents.and idea of an entire class depended on a single item set to play doesnot seems fair? Nearly all my skills are melee range and single target so soyldnot they hit harder? ;the supposed to be burst bow skill need several light attacks to land on target(meanwhile i am dead😁)
Class doesnot have a major sorcery skill which doesnot puts me out of stealth?eithout engaging combat?

So all in all should i delete the toon and give up the idea of a shadowy ganker? Or can u advice anothet class for this type of game play?
Ty

1. You should go 5 light, 1 heavy, 1 medium armour piece for more stats and resists. You could also give heavy armour a try if you like.
2. 22k hp is wayyyyy too low. Go all tryglyphs on your armour and don't use witchmothers, use 2 stat food or bewitched sugar skulls. You should definitely have an hp value close to 30k.
3. For a decent damage output you should try using balorgh (save up 300 ulti and then incap>cc>merciless) or use kjalnar, which requires some practice. I'd definitely drop spell strategist as it's pretty bad for pvp and openworld especially. You can try using master inferno frontbar, 5 necro, 5 armour master backbar and a monster set. Personally I really like amberplasm or eternal vigor for that insane stam sustain, it's really important on magblade.
Oh and do not use elemental weapon! Use swallow soul instead, the healing is too good to miss out on.
4. Cloak is good for surviving. You always need to use shadow image first though if you really want to get away, otherwise it's too easy to get pulled out of cloak.
If your shield value is 5,8k then it isn't really worth using. Stack magicka as much as possible, by using necro instead of spell strategist for instance and by using the mage mundus and better food (2 stat gives the most magicka and hp). Also invest some cp into increased shield size.

This is the only recent build video I was able to find that isn't complete garbage but I'm sure there are other ones out there as well. I think he's using heavy armor and dark cloak but you can give that a try if you like.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H9ukkl883Y&t=524s

PS: I really wouldn't take advice from the kristofereso video (linked above). He's a cool streamer and all but his builds tend to be ineffective and he has very little experience playing magblade afaik. Also the setup he uses in the video is particularly awful.

Fur_like_snow

He 1vXs everyday on stream. Ineffective builds? Sorry but where’s your build video?

Raudgrani

Not an easy build. But during Midyear Mayhem I ran Caluurion, Icy Conjuror and Kjalnar's Nightmare. Yes, 100% proc feast, no need to point out. Just had Master's Staff frontbar to avoid "procing" Caluurion on frontbar, then Concealed Weapon from sneak on backbar - back to frontbar and Soul Harvest and Impale - getta **** out if they don't die, in either case move on to next target. ;-)

This is not not really easy either, but the point of Kjalnar is if you are actually fighting someone; have Kjalnar proc the same time as you hit with your Spectral Arrow - it seems like they have timed the hits pretty consciously, because you hear the "boney" snap from Kjalnar like half a second after you fire your arrow. Depending on your range to the target, it will be almost simultaneously.
Try and make sure you can make Caluurion hit too, but as said - this is pretty hard to pull off. Getting Conjuror into play at the same time, is god tier proc set master! I can't, but I'm sure it's possible.

Ectheliontnacil

Fur_like_snow wrote: »

He 1vXs everyday on stream. Ineffective builds? Sorry but where’s your build video?

@Fur_like_snow
Ask any top tier player, they will tell you the same thing. There is a clip of grimhallow killing him in like 3 seconds 1v1.
Kristofer can 1vx total noobs...but who can't? As soon as he's up against a good player and can't kite around an object he's done for.

Just look at the ghost build. He doesn't use vigor and doesn't have a spammable like jabs. If you actually get killed by crit rush spam, your build has some major flaws. But against a decent player his full combo wouldn't even put a dent into the hp bar (because of decent resists and hots).

Fur_like_snow

He can die in 3 seconds because he runs glass cannon builds not HA stamDK dueling meta builds. Kiting is part of his play style he would get bodied if he stood still and brawled. I’ll take his advice over whoever these “elites” are you’re talking about.

ketsparrowhawk

Yes you need more HP. 26k min for CP. 23k for no-CP imo.

I like to use Torug's + Lich (resto back bar) + Mighty Chudan + Master fire staff on front bar. Mundus and all jewelry glyphs are damage. Works well for me.

You gotta "set up" your targets. You won't be able to charge in and wreck people right out of the gate. You have to poke and prod them, whittle them down, then go for the kill when they're weak. Keep your distance, slow them down with cripple, and LA-weave spam Swallow Soul for a bit at first. With Torugs, this alone applies quite a lot of pressure. When your Merciless proc is ready, resist using it right away because enemies are expecting it and they will dodge it. The temptation is to CC them with Flame Reach then immediately hit them with Assassin's Will.. but 9/10 times they will break CC and doge before Assassin's Will lands. So after you CC them, wait a second for them to dodge, then fire the Assassin's Will, then spam Impale til they die. Ofc LA weaving the while time. I use the stamina morph of incap for the sustain passives.. and in no-CP it hits equally as hard as the mag morph, though honestly I rarely use it at all and mainly just slot it for passives. Which works out nicely because my resto ult is almost always ready for emergencies.

Also, the best defensive skill NB's have access to is Shadow Image. Might check that out.

It's also good to have a snare removal skill such as Race Against Time (major expedition too!). If you can't stay mobile you will die. Sometimes being able to move is more valuable to being invisible. If you're trapped in some AOE.. use RAT to get free, then cloak away.

Ectheliontnacil

Fur_like_snow wrote: »

He can die in 3 seconds because he runs glass cannon builds not HA stamDK dueling meta builds. Kiting is part of his play style he would get bodied if he stood still and brawled. I’ll take his advice over whoever these “elites” are you’re talking about.

@Fur_like_snow
Well I'm not really disagreeing with you here. All I said was that he wasn't running the most effective builds (which are the meta). And having to run around a tree every time you come across a decent player, because they would annihilate you if you "stood still and brawled" is not my idea of a decent build. If you need to perma cloak or line of sight in a 1v1 you have lost the encounter, anyone can stay alive that way.

You don't need to take my advice and there's people who can give you better advice than me for sure. But there's some major flaws in Kristofer's builds and that makes it very hard for (inexperienced) players to be successful with them.

In this particular case he runs this weird spec in between ganker and normal open world build. It's bad for ganking and it absolutely melts as soon as you actually take damage yourself, because he's running 26k hp, has very little healing, doesn't have dampen slotted and is in divines. The only enemies you can reliably kill with that are no skill noobs.
His cp setup is okish but definitely not ideal.
Also, like on ghost, he drops the strongest heal he has available (rapid regeneration) for no reason at all and runs healing ward instead...

AuraStorm43

Magblades are in the same spot as a lotta classes, where they’re best use is being a bomber

Mag Sorcs and Magplars are just so much better than Magblades

Kinda sucks but all the other mag classes are in the same boat, best bet imo is going full damage and kiting