Blazing shield

Mrtoobyy

So I wanted to ask you guys, is there anyone using this ability in a non tank/high health build in pvp?
Is it just me or is the cost for this ability way too high?
Or is it that it scales with health that is the problem?

It seems that other classes shields are way more potent that this.

Hymzir

No. And on top of that, It's been years since I saw anyone use it on any build in PVP, tank or not.

I guess you can get some marginal use out of it in PVE if you build for it, but that's about it.

Taleof2Cities

Murkmire was the official end of Blazing Shield builds, @Mrtoobyy, when ZOS debuted the damage shield rework.

Akinos

Mrtoobyy wrote: »

So I wanted to ask you guys, is there anyone using this ability in a non tank/high health build in pvp?
Is it just me or is the cost for this ability way too high?
Or is it that it scales with health that is the problem?

It seems that other classes shields are way more potent that this.

i tried several versions of a blazing shield build a few weeks ago, nothing worked well, they just nerfed it too hard, sad times man. Here's one of the builds I tried: http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=259856

KristoferESO has a decent stamina blazing shield build on YT though. For magicka its basically 100% dead unless you have like 55k+ hp.

Mrtoobyy

Ok it's nice to see that it is not ju st me... I've been playing since launch but got into PVP for real last year, too bad I didn't before Murkmire then Would be cool to have a non tank build utilising the shield.

West93

That ability should be reworked.

Health base heal would be nice start.

Soris

Should be buffed by a fair amount rather then a complete redesign

Reverb

Haven’t used it in close to 5 years. It’s worthless.

technohic

Believe it or not, 5 years ago or so; it was the templar identity. Blanket shield nerfs made it unusable outside of stacking health while other shields still were fine and stacked. Then they reduced the max shield values even further, pretty much removed stacking shields outside of sorc, and that was the end. I have not seen one in a couple years.

the1andonlyskwex

It would be fine as a tank shield if it weren't redundant with Bone Shield and Defensive Posture. Unfortunately, because those skills exist, it doesn't really add anything. I suppose the fact that it costs Mag instead of Stam distinguishes it a little, but in most cases that works against it rather than for it.

Hämähäkki

Don't remind me. My blazing Templar is still crying and thinking of the good old days

MurderMostFoul

Blazing Spear need some love, it's borderline useless.

But we can't except any significant skill changes until ZOS concludes their AOE tests and decides what to do next. The fate of many, many skills will be determined by that.

Mrtoobyy

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

Blazing Spear need some love, it's borderline useless.

But we can't except any significant skill changes until ZOS concludes their AOE tests and decides what to do next. The fate of many, many skills will be determined by that.

I really hope they will give it some love eventually. It's such a characteristic shield. I love the idea behind the both morphs.

Nyteshade

I think KristoperESO, Jack Daniels, whatever you want to call him, did a build using the skill recently and it's up on youtube. But that guy is a master at playing odd builds.

MurderMostFoul

Nyteshade wrote: »

I think KristoperESO, Jack Daniels, whatever you want to call him, did a build using the skill recently and it's up on youtube. But that guy is a master at playing odd builds.

But even he admits his blazing shield build is not the best and isn't great solo. For a dude who usually proficiently 1vXs to demonstrate builds, the fact that the blazing shield build needed these qualifiers isn't a great sign. I think he basically showed that, if you invest your entire build into it, you can make blazing shield functional. That shouldn't be the threshold for skill functionality.

StarOfElyon

I've been begging ZOS to make a morph usable for low-hp mag characters. I still try to use Radiant Ward sometimes for the minor protection. The shield pops in less than 2 seconds, usually. Let's face it - the Templar class is filled with bad passive and skills that will never be fixed because puncturing sweeps/biting jabs have been able to keep the class competitive. As long as the class is competitive, it'll never be improved.

StarOfElyon

Going to drop this here because it's related:

StarOfElyon wrote: »

My asks don't change much:

1. Sun Shield - The Radiant Ward morph needs to have the cost reduced significantly. Reason: Magplars should have a class shield that they can use and is unique to them. "Tankplars" don't fully benefit from this morph anyway unless they have high spell damage (because it does damage on activation). It's better fitting for Magplars even though the shield scale is smaller because of a lower health pool. Still, I want to use my class shield!

2. Hasty Prayer should be a selfish heal, grant minor expedition, and have its cost reduced by half. Reason: Templars need a selfish heal (all of their heals can affect other players) and they lack mobility. This won't fix the mobility issue completely but it's better than nothing. (Update: make it a HOT)

3. Vampire's Bane needs a buff. Reason: It got nerfed when ZOS adjusted all DoTs but this was important for Magplars and their class identity.

4. Solar Barrage needs a buff. Reason: Same as with Vampire's Bane, it could use a buff.

Firstmep

StarOfElyon wrote: »

Going to drop this here because it's related:

StarOfElyon wrote: »

My asks don't change much:

1. Sun Shield - The Radiant Ward morph needs to have the cost reduced significantly. Reason: Magplars should have a class shield that they can use and is unique to them. "Tankplars" don't fully benefit from this morph anyway unless they have high spell damage (because it does damage on activation). It's better fitting for Magplars even though the shield scale is smaller because of a lower health pool. Still, I want to use my class shield!

2. Hasty Prayer should be a selfish heal, grant minor expedition, and have its cost reduced by half. Reason: Templars need a selfish heal (all of their heals can affect other players) and they lack mobility. This won't fix the mobility issue completely but it's better than nothing. (Update: make it a HOT)

3. Vampire's Bane needs a buff. Reason: It got nerfed when ZOS adjusted all DoTs but this was important for Magplars and their class identity.

4. Solar Barrage needs a buff. Reason: Same as with Vampire's Bane, it could use a buff.

I really dont know what theyre doing with Healing Ritual, 10 meter range for such a weak heal, warden spores heals for the same as ritual on pts, and costs about 1k less magicka and has better range.

Sun shield is also pretty much a dead skill apart from maybe a few pve tanks using it, and both morphs are basically pointless as tanks dont care about damage anyway.

TwinLamps

blazing shield should cost 420 magicka per activation

Drdeath20

Templars are a disaster

fullheartcontainer

Blazing Shield was viable once but the combat devs hated it so they nerfed it till it was dead and then when no one had used it for three years they nerfed it again just to be sure

Soris

fullheartcontainer wrote: »

Blazing Shield was viable once but the combat devs hated it so they nerfed it till it was dead and then when no one had used it for three years they nerfed it again just to be sure

Lmao this made me laugh for real


But seriously though, why all the hate zos? It was never op. Just make it usable again
vid related
https://youtu.be/dM2vZVZka_k

Jeremy

Mrtoobyy wrote: »

So I wanted to ask you guys, is there anyone using this ability in a non tank/high health build in pvp?
Is it just me or is the cost for this ability way too high?
Or is it that it scales with health that is the problem?

It seems that other classes shields are way more potent that this.

I use it. But I think I'm the last person on earth who does....

But honestly, what else is a Templar health build going to use for defense? It might not be very good (and it isn't) but it's still the best ability they have for negating damage. It stops more damage then you're ever going try healing back using your weak ___ heals. I also don't think it's the cost that's the problem with it. It's just the plain fact a 7~8k shield is nothing on this game. People breath on you for that amount of damage.

The whole class needs a serious rework. But so does PvP generally on this game. It's been in a downward spiral since since Greymoor and seems to be just getting worse.

Drdeath20

Templars need a total rework. Its just everything

Hotdog_23

StarOfElyon wrote: »

Going to drop this here because it's related:

StarOfElyon wrote: »

My asks don't change much:

1. Sun Shield - The Radiant Ward morph needs to have the cost reduced significantly. Reason: Magplars should have a class shield that they can use and is unique to them. "Tankplars" don't fully benefit from this morph anyway unless they have high spell damage (because it does damage on activation). It's better fitting for Magplars even though the shield scale is smaller because of a lower health pool. Still, I want to use my class shield!

2. Hasty Prayer should be a selfish heal, grant minor expedition, and have its cost reduced by half. Reason: Templars need a selfish heal (all of their heals can affect other players) and they lack mobility. This won't fix the mobility issue completely but it's better than nothing. (Update: make it a HOT)

3. Vampire's Bane needs a buff. Reason: It got nerfed when ZOS adjusted all DoTs but this was important for Magplars and their class identity.

4. Solar Barrage needs a buff. Reason: Same as with Vampire's Bane, it could use a buff.

Hasty pray needs to be change to a health based heal for Tankplar.

FirmamentOfStars

Hotdog_23 wrote: »

StarOfElyon wrote: »

Going to drop this here because it's related:

StarOfElyon wrote: »

My asks don't change much:

1. Sun Shield - The Radiant Ward morph needs to have the cost reduced significantly. Reason: Magplars should have a class shield that they can use and is unique to them. "Tankplars" don't fully benefit from this morph anyway unless they have high spell damage (because it does damage on activation). It's better fitting for Magplars even though the shield scale is smaller because of a lower health pool. Still, I want to use my class shield!

2. Hasty Prayer should be a selfish heal, grant minor expedition, and have its cost reduced by half. Reason: Templars need a selfish heal (all of their heals can affect other players) and they lack mobility. This won't fix the mobility issue completely but it's better than nothing. (Update: make it a HOT)

3. Vampire's Bane needs a buff. Reason: It got nerfed when ZOS adjusted all DoTs but this was important for Magplars and their class identity.

4. Solar Barrage needs a buff. Reason: Same as with Vampire's Bane, it could use a buff.

Hasty pray needs to be change to a health based heal for Tankplar.

No thanks. We have seen what happens when classes have access to max health based heals in PvP: stamdens with 40k health still dishing out tons of damage and with insane self heals due to arctic blast. Such builds are almost impossible to kill 1v1 and still one-shot people with a sub, dizzy, dawnbreaker combo. Its not healthy for the game to have some classes allow to build like that and others are not. Also tank builds with insane damage...that shouldnt be the goal to reach in PvP.

BohnT2

Hotdog_23 wrote: »

StarOfElyon wrote: »

Going to drop this here because it's related:

StarOfElyon wrote: »

My asks don't change much:

1. Sun Shield - The Radiant Ward morph needs to have the cost reduced significantly. Reason: Magplars should have a class shield that they can use and is unique to them. "Tankplars" don't fully benefit from this morph anyway unless they have high spell damage (because it does damage on activation). It's better fitting for Magplars even though the shield scale is smaller because of a lower health pool. Still, I want to use my class shield!

2. Hasty Prayer should be a selfish heal, grant minor expedition, and have its cost reduced by half. Reason: Templars need a selfish heal (all of their heals can affect other players) and they lack mobility. This won't fix the mobility issue completely but it's better than nothing. (Update: make it a HOT)

3. Vampire's Bane needs a buff. Reason: It got nerfed when ZOS adjusted all DoTs but this was important for Magplars and their class identity.

4. Solar Barrage needs a buff. Reason: Same as with Vampire's Bane, it could use a buff.

Hasty pray needs to be change to a health based heal for Tankplar.

No, HP scaling heals are the most stupid thing Zos has ever introduced to the game.

Soris

Has this skill buffed yet?