Is dizzing OP?

Vanagrand

What do you think about dizz dizz dizz execute?

xWarbrain

I'd say it's right there with Snipe Snipe Snipe and also Streak Streak Streak.

Fur_like_snow

Wait till the test you’ll see stam players drop DW for 2H. My combo of streak DB spin won’t work anymore so it’s back to dizzy medium DB execute.

Waffennacht

Not OP

technohic

Its fine.

West93

Can be dodgded, blocked, 0.8s cast time.

However is it gonna be good during AOE test? Yes it will, but these are just tests, who cares, I will stay in IC during that time so I can actually use class abillities and play the game I paid for.

jaime1982

Dizzy needs cast time removed

Fawn4287

Melee skills should really hit harder than ranged abilities given the difficulty and increased risk to the user to perform the attack, dizzying can literally be outrun, if you have major expedition and snare immunity up d swing is basically useless against you given the channel slows the caster down. If any ability grossly overperforms it is snipe and particularly lethal arrow, it applies minor defile, always applies poisoned and when used correctly causes desyncs and is used in a disgusting gank combo with silver can kill you without you even realised you have been hit.

Merciful17

Personally I find the skill very boring and annoying. Equpping dizzying swing with execute is basically easy mode for the majority of stamina classes. Yeah sure you can dodge it or block it but eventually you'll be out of stamina. Then you'll be set off balance and you will die if you play any mag character. Its also really hard to outrun it thanks to all the gap closers. The only way to outrun it is by using streak, NB stealth or shade. Warden also has an ability that they can use to get away with it but I rarely see it being used. The reasons why it's hard to get away from is because of the range which seems to be super buggy, probably thanks to lag and because you can just use a gap closer and use dizzying swings and repeat.

CompM4s

Blocking and/or healing usually counters it...

Sanctum74

Merciful17 wrote: »

Personally I find the skill very boring and annoying. Equpping dizzying swing with execute is basically easy mode for the majority of stamina classes. Yeah sure you can dodge it or block it but eventually you'll be out of stamina. Then you'll be set off balance and you will die if you play any mag character. Its also really hard to outrun it thanks to all the gap closers. The only way to outrun it is by using streak, NB stealth or shade. Warden also has an ability that they can use to get away with it but I rarely see it being used. The reasons why it's hard to get away from is because of the range which seems to be super buggy, probably thanks to lag and because you can just use a gap closer and use dizzying swings and repeat.

Don’t try to out run its, thats why people die to dizzy. Just walk through or roll dodge through them then attack them from behind.

SodanTok

Fawn4287 wrote: »

Melee skills should really hit harder than ranged abilities given the difficulty and increased risk to the user to perform the attack, dizzying can literally be outrun, if you have major expedition and snare immunity up d swing is basically useless against you given the channel slows the caster down. If any ability grossly overperforms it is snipe and particularly lethal arrow, it applies minor defile, always applies poisoned and when used correctly causes desyncs and is used in a disgusting gank combo with silver can kill you without you even realised you have been hit.

To outrun dizzy swing even if you are 5m away from opponent and already in process of running away rather than reacting you would still need to move 2.5m/s faster than caster of dizzy swing. Aka move at over 180% movement speed compared to caster moving at 100%.

Anyway, caster doesnt get slowed down. You should try it.

Chilly-McFreeze

Merciful17 wrote: »

Personally I find the skill very boring and annoying. Equpping dizzying swing with execute is basically easy mode for the majority of stamina classes.

Well, if the alternatives weren‘t so lackluster, or even missing, People wouldn‘t use is that much. Not everyone has the comfort of delayed, Hard hitting aoe burst with strong debuffs to complement. Some have to spam ds.

Canned_Apples

Fur_like_snow wrote: »

Wait till the test you’ll see stam players drop DW for 2H. My combo of streak DB spin won’t work anymore so it’s back to dizzy medium DB execute.

Oh, nvm.. the stupid ae nerfs

pauld1_ESO

jaime1982 wrote: »

Dizzy needs cast time removed

It has a cast? Funny how I get 4 of them on me in 2 seconds....

JayKwellen

Dizzy is fine. It does a lot of damage but it can be mitigated by simply dodging or blocking.

I think the issue with dizzy is just that it shows how subpar almost every other spammable is by comparison. The only one which comes close is jabs. Surprise attack doesn't do as much damage, but is often used in place because of everything else it does.

Those two aside, if you compare dizzy to birds, skulls, or stonefist, why on earth would you ever use them instead? The range can be nice in select few situations I suppose, but dizzy swing simply outclasses them in every single way. If you compare it against magicka spammables the discrepancy in damage starts to become hilarious almost.

Instead of nerfing dizzy because it actually does what it's supposed to do, class spammables should instead be reworked to actually be useful and not trash.

technohic

I feel like so much has been nerfed already that it almost drives people to faction stack.

Damage berfed from multiple DOTs and spammables, and the dreaded AOE? Stack a bunch of them from multiple sources to make them effective.

Heals nerfed? Stack a bunch of them from multiple sources to make them effective.

Dizzy is something single target and individual, and should stay. They should unnerf everything else to make them much more potent, but make them not overlap. Promote individual strength over stacking, more self target, and eliminate the benefit of stacking up and spamming. No CDs needed.

eKsDee

Buff alternatives so that stam aren't pigeonholed into Dizzy/2H to compete, then talk about whether it's OP or not. It's so prevalent largely because it's the only good option available to most stamina classes, because all the others have been nerfed into mediocrity due to these same cries for nerfs.

Vanagrand

When most stamina only play defensive and then dizz dizz dizz execute is because something is wrong with that ability.

Yep, you can dogderoll it, and then stun to keep the presure up, but being able to just spam one skill and destroy all the noobs in your path seems a bit broken in my eyes.

ItsJustHashtag

It’s the last remaining stam spammable that isn’t complete crap after they butchered DW and SnB. Literally killed every playstyle because of nerfs.

ItsJustHashtag

pauld1_ESO wrote: »

jaime1982 wrote: »

Dizzy needs cast time removed

It has a cast? Funny how I get 4 of them on me in 2 seconds....

.8 second cast time plus 1 second GCD says that is false.

Chilly-McFreeze

Vanagrand wrote: »

When most stamina only play defensive and then dizz dizz dizz execute is because something is wrong with that ability.

Yep, you can dogderoll it, and then stun to keep the presure up, but being able to just spam one skill and destroy all the noobs in your path seems a bit broken in my eyes.

There is something wrong with your perspective. Go ahead and tell me, what's your rotation on YOUR stam sorc, stam DK etc.? Flurry, Flurry, Spin2Win? I'm waiting.

nsmurfer

Vanagrand wrote: »

When most stamina only play defensive and then dizz dizz dizz execute is because something is wrong with that ability.

Yep, you can dogderoll it, and then stun to keep the presure up, but being able to just spam one skill and destroy all the noobs in your path seems a bit broken in my eyes.

Have you played the game when the best combo was bleed,bleed,spin2win? Trust me, things are much more counterable now.

pauld1_ESO

ItsJustHashtag wrote: »

pauld1_ESO wrote: »

jaime1982 wrote: »

Dizzy needs cast time removed

It has a cast? Funny how I get 4 of them on me in 2 seconds....

.8 second cast time plus 1 second GCD says that is false.

and yet it happens.....

SodanTok

ItsJustHashtag wrote: »

pauld1_ESO wrote: »

jaime1982 wrote: »

Dizzy needs cast time removed

It has a cast? Funny how I get 4 of them on me in 2 seconds....

.8 second cast time plus 1 second GCD says that is false.

There is no plus, yes Dizzy can hit only once in GCD therefore there can be only 3 dizzy in 2s but there is no cast time plus gcd

Theignson

Dizzy would be super powered...but mine almost never lands in Lago-dil.

Especially if the monstrous blob groups are oozing all over the map, I get stuck in Dizzy-wind up

Vanagrand

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Vanagrand wrote: »

When most stamina only play defensive and then dizz dizz dizz execute is because something is wrong with that ability.

Yep, you can dogderoll it, and then stun to keep the presure up, but being able to just spam one skill and destroy all the noobs in your path seems a bit broken in my eyes.

There is something wrong with your perspective. Go ahead and tell me, what's your rotation on YOUR stam sorc, stam DK etc.? Flurry, Flurry, Spin2Win? I'm waiting.

I have none, i just compare their play stile with mine as main dk mag. I have to keep a constant eye open to keep the dots up, stun and immo as much as possible to help me with the healing and always trying to keep to pressure due i have none execute.

I compare that with dizz dizz dizz- execute that most stamina do and is like...is even funny only use 2 skills in your offensive?

And i assume is efficient af because loooots of them are using it. But feels to me like easy mode.

Chilly-McFreeze

Vanagrand wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Vanagrand wrote: »

When most stamina only play defensive and then dizz dizz dizz execute is because something is wrong with that ability.

Yep, you can dogderoll it, and then stun to keep the presure up, but being able to just spam one skill and destroy all the noobs in your path seems a bit broken in my eyes.

There is something wrong with your perspective. Go ahead and tell me, what's your rotation on YOUR stam sorc, stam DK etc.? Flurry, Flurry, Spin2Win? I'm waiting.

I have none, i just compare their play stile with mine as main dk mag. I have to keep a constant eye open to keep the dots up, stun and immo as much as possible to help me with the healing and always trying to keep to pressure due i have none execute.

I compare that with dizz dizz dizz- execute that most stamina do and is like...is even funny only use 2 skills in your offensive?

And i assume is efficient af because loooots of them are using it. But feels to me like easy mode.

If it‘s funny or not doesn‘t matter. If you would actually play eg stamsorc you‘d know there isn‘t much else to do. No class spam, no class execute, no notable delayed burst. What do you expect?

Instead of pleading for nerfs, coming from a place of ignorance, you should ask for buffing alternatives. Those already were there but people here boarded the nerf train and ran them into the ground. Leaving some classes with nothing else to use.

Jokes are on the nerf herders. They brought the dizzy spam upon themselves.

the1andonlyskwex

JayKwellen wrote: »

Dizzy is fine. It does a lot of damage but it can be mitigated by simply dodging or blocking.

I think the issue with dizzy is just that it shows how subpar almost every other spammable is by comparison. The only one which comes close is jabs. Surprise attack doesn't do as much damage, but is often used in place because of everything else it does.

Those two aside, if you compare dizzy to birds, skulls, or stonefist, why on earth would you ever use them instead? The range can be nice in select few situations I suppose, but dizzy swing simply outclasses them in every single way. If you compare it against magicka spammables the discrepancy in damage starts to become hilarious almost.

Instead of nerfing dizzy because it actually does what it's supposed to do, class spammables should instead be reworked to actually be useful and not trash.

If one or two spammables are outliers compared to the rest, it's easier to nerf them than to buff everything else

Vanagrand

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Vanagrand wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Vanagrand wrote: »

When most stamina only play defensive and then dizz dizz dizz execute is because something is wrong with that ability.

Yep, you can dogderoll it, and then stun to keep the presure up, but being able to just spam one skill and destroy all the noobs in your path seems a bit broken in my eyes.

There is something wrong with your perspective. Go ahead and tell me, what's your rotation on YOUR stam sorc, stam DK etc.? Flurry, Flurry, Spin2Win? I'm waiting.

I have none, i just compare their play stile with mine as main dk mag. I have to keep a constant eye open to keep the dots up, stun and immo as much as possible to help me with the healing and always trying to keep to pressure due i have none execute.

I compare that with dizz dizz dizz- execute that most stamina do and is like...is even funny only use 2 skills in your offensive?

And i assume is efficient af because loooots of them are using it. But feels to me like easy mode.

If it‘s funny or not doesn‘t matter. If you would actually play eg stamsorc you‘d know there isn‘t much else to do. No class spam, no class execute, no notable delayed burst. What do you expect?

Instead of pleading for nerfs, coming from a place of ignorance, you should ask for buffing alternatives. Those already were there but people here boarded the nerf train and ran them into the ground. Leaving some classes with nothing else to use.

Jokes are on the nerf herders. They brought the dizzy spam upon themselves.

If my lash were able to do 6kdmg everytime and being able to stun if you keep attacking i wouldn't use any dot all. When an skill is able to carry all your dps something is wrong with that skill.

nsmurfer

Vanagrand wrote: »

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Vanagrand wrote: »

When most stamina only play defensive and then dizz dizz dizz execute is because something is wrong with that ability.

Yep, you can dogderoll it, and then stun to keep the presure up, but being able to just spam one skill and destroy all the noobs in your path seems a bit broken in my eyes.

There is something wrong with your perspective. Go ahead and tell me, what's your rotation on YOUR stam sorc, stam DK etc.? Flurry, Flurry, Spin2Win? I'm waiting.

I have none, i just compare their play stile with mine as main dk mag. I have to keep a constant eye open to keep the dots up, stun and immo as much as possible to help me with the healing and always trying to keep to pressure due i have none execute.

I compare that with dizz dizz dizz- execute that most stamina do and is like...is even funny only use 2 skills in your offensive?

And i assume is efficient af because loooots of them are using it. But feels to me like easy mode.

It is because you are comparing a DoT build with burst builds. No build just uses like Dizzy and Executioner. Every stam build uses a good number of other offensive skills on top of those two. Also magDK can just heal by staying in the fight and therefore uses only one heal skill compared to stam classes stacking multiple heals on top of each other which requires more bar space.

StamDK - Venom Claw, Noxious Breath, Dizzy and Executioner
Stamsorc - Hurricane, quick cloak, dizzy and executioner
Stamcro - BB, Archer, Mortal Coil, dizzy and executioner
Stamden - shalks, swarm, dizzy and executioner

Stamblade and Stamplar don't even use dizzy as surprise attack and jabs straight up outclass dizzy. Jabs is the highest damage spammable in the game and surprise attack has inbuilt defense, stun and debuff attached, while also being instant and costing lesser than dizzy.