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ZOS... you missed Strength of the Automaton in next chapter updates
honey_badger82
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I mentioned this in an earlier and much lengthier post earlier but I think it should have its own post.
This set may not be super popular or considered "meta" but I do use it and its more of a principle thing. Every single other similar set like Sword Singer is getting a buff, specifically the direct magicka counter part to Strength of the Automaton; War Maiden is getting a buff. So my question is why are you leaving this set out ZOS? In all fairness it should be included.
This set may not be super popular or considered "meta" but I do use it and its more of a principle thing. Every single other similar set like Sword Singer is getting a buff, specifically the direct magicka counter part to Strength of the Automaton; War Maiden is getting a buff. So my question is why are you leaving this set out ZOS? In all fairness it should be included.
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kypranb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭That's because Automaton would also effect light attacks.
War Maiden technically effects Restoration Staff light attacks, but they are so far behind the others in damage it's totally irrelevant. War Maiden does not effect elemental damage of any sort. Only damage that specifies Magic Damage, such as Swallow Soul, or Entropy.4 -
MopeyHat✭✭✭✭kypranb14_ESO wrote: »That's because Automaton would also effect light attacks.
War Maiden technically effects Restoration Staff light attacks, but they are so far behind the others in damage it's totally irrelevant. War Maiden does not effect elemental damage of any sort. Only damage that specifies Magic Damage, such as Swallow Soul, or Entropy.
Don't Spider Cultist and the rest of the weapon-themed sets affect light attacks, and yet they got buffed?0 -
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✭✭✭✭kypranb14_ESO wrote: »That's because Automaton would also effect light attacks.
War Maiden technically effects Restoration Staff light attacks, but they are so far behind the others in damage it's totally irrelevant. War Maiden does not effect elemental damage of any sort. Only damage that specifies Magic Damage, such as Swallow Soul, or Entropy.
Don't Spider Cultist and the rest of the weapon-themed sets affect light attacks, and yet they got buffed?
Only effects destro abilities and light attacks off a destro staff. Doesn't effect any non-destro skill or magicka damage ability or light attacks from any other weapon..Edited by mairwen85 on July 31, 2020 2:30PM1 -
BRCOURTN✭✭✭✭✭I'll probably run war maiden on my magblade. If they changed this, id definitely run automaton on my stamplar0 -
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honey_badger82✭✭✭✭kypranb14_ESO wrote: »That's because Automaton would also effect light attacks.
War Maiden technically effects Restoration Staff light attacks, but they are so far behind the others in damage it's totally irrelevant. War Maiden does not effect elemental damage of any sort. Only damage that specifies Magic Damage, such as Swallow Soul, or Entropy.
True but no one light attacks for its massive damage output, its resource conservation and to keep ultimate generating. And the fact that destro staff abilities ignore 10% spell resistance I think more than makes up for a boost to melee weapon light and heavy attacks. Heck a buff to 500 instead of 600 like the other sets would be fair if the light and heavy attacks were the reason they left it out.
Sword singer and the other weapon or class ability specific boosting sets were at 450 due to it being a niche boost. I would think those sets should be boosted to 650 in keeping with that since War Maiden buffs from 400 to 600. A dps magplar using only Templar abilities for damage (most do magic damage except sun fire)makes War Maiden with its new buff a pretty damn strong option in my opinion.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭honey_badger82 wrote: »
True but no one light attacks for its massive damage output
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nesakinter✭✭✭✭honey_badger82 wrote: »kypranb14_ESO wrote: »That's because Automaton would also effect light attacks.
War Maiden technically effects Restoration Staff light attacks, but they are so far behind the others in damage it's totally irrelevant. War Maiden does not effect elemental damage of any sort. Only damage that specifies Magic Damage, such as Swallow Soul, or Entropy.
True but no one light attacks for its massive damage output, its resource conservation and to keep ultimate generating. And the fact that destro staff abilities ignore 10% spell resistance I think more than makes up for a boost to melee weapon light and heavy attacks. Heck a buff to 500 instead of 600 like the other sets would be fair if the light and heavy attacks were the reason they left it out.
Sword singer and the other weapon or class ability specific boosting sets were at 450 due to it being a niche boost. I would think those sets should be boosted to 650 in keeping with that since War Maiden buffs from 400 to 600. A dps magplar using only Templar abilities for damage (most do magic damage except sun fire)makes War Maiden with its new buff a pretty damn strong option in my opinion.
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honey_badger82✭✭✭✭nesakinter wrote: »honey_badger82 wrote: »kypranb14_ESO wrote: »That's because Automaton would also effect light attacks.
War Maiden technically effects Restoration Staff light attacks, but they are so far behind the others in damage it's totally irrelevant. War Maiden does not effect elemental damage of any sort. Only damage that specifies Magic Damage, such as Swallow Soul, or Entropy.
True but no one light attacks for its massive damage output, its resource conservation and to keep ultimate generating. And the fact that destro staff abilities ignore 10% spell resistance I think more than makes up for a boost to melee weapon light and heavy attacks. Heck a buff to 500 instead of 600 like the other sets would be fair if the light and heavy attacks were the reason they left it out.
Sword singer and the other weapon or class ability specific boosting sets were at 450 due to it being a niche boost. I would think those sets should be boosted to 650 in keeping with that since War Maiden buffs from 400 to 600. A dps magplar using only Templar abilities for damage (most do magic damage except sun fire)makes War Maiden with its new buff a pretty damn strong option in my opinion.
Do you even PvE, bro?
Well apparently I am doing it wrong cause with 3.7k base unbuffed physical damage on character page... I haven't seen a 20k light attack hit with a 2 hander and glyph firing. I mean why would I use jabs ever if every light attack did 20k easy damage? Oh well I guess the numbers on my screen showing the damage I am doing must be broke0 -
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✭✭✭✭honey_badger82 wrote: »nesakinter wrote: »honey_badger82 wrote: »kypranb14_ESO wrote: »That's because Automaton would also effect light attacks.
War Maiden technically effects Restoration Staff light attacks, but they are so far behind the others in damage it's totally irrelevant. War Maiden does not effect elemental damage of any sort. Only damage that specifies Magic Damage, such as Swallow Soul, or Entropy.
True but no one light attacks for its massive damage output, its resource conservation and to keep ultimate generating. And the fact that destro staff abilities ignore 10% spell resistance I think more than makes up for a boost to melee weapon light and heavy attacks. Heck a buff to 500 instead of 600 like the other sets would be fair if the light and heavy attacks were the reason they left it out.
Sword singer and the other weapon or class ability specific boosting sets were at 450 due to it being a niche boost. I would think those sets should be boosted to 650 in keeping with that since War Maiden buffs from 400 to 600. A dps magplar using only Templar abilities for damage (most do magic damage except sun fire)makes War Maiden with its new buff a pretty damn strong option in my opinion.
Do you even PvE, bro?
Well apparently I am doing it wrong cause with 3.7k base unbuffed physical damage on character page... I haven't seen a 20k light attack hit with a 2 hander and glyph firing. I mean why would I use jabs ever if every light attack did 20k easy damage? Oh well I guess the numbers on my screen showing the damage I am doing must be broke
Because you can light attack and jabs within the same global cooldown... that’s the whole premise of weaving and animation canceling.
Edited for grammarEdited by virtus753 on July 31, 2020 5:51PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭honey_badger82 wrote: »nesakinter wrote: »honey_badger82 wrote: »kypranb14_ESO wrote: »That's because Automaton would also effect light attacks.
War Maiden technically effects Restoration Staff light attacks, but they are so far behind the others in damage it's totally irrelevant. War Maiden does not effect elemental damage of any sort. Only damage that specifies Magic Damage, such as Swallow Soul, or Entropy.
True but no one light attacks for its massive damage output, its resource conservation and to keep ultimate generating. And the fact that destro staff abilities ignore 10% spell resistance I think more than makes up for a boost to melee weapon light and heavy attacks. Heck a buff to 500 instead of 600 like the other sets would be fair if the light and heavy attacks were the reason they left it out.
Sword singer and the other weapon or class ability specific boosting sets were at 450 due to it being a niche boost. I would think those sets should be boosted to 650 in keeping with that since War Maiden buffs from 400 to 600. A dps magplar using only Templar abilities for damage (most do magic damage except sun fire)makes War Maiden with its new buff a pretty damn strong option in my opinion.
Do you even PvE, bro?
Well apparently I am doing it wrong cause with 3.7k base unbuffed physical damage on character page... I haven't seen a 20k light attack hit with a 2 hander and glyph firing. I mean why would I use jabs ever if every light attack did 20k easy damage? Oh well I guess the numbers on my screen showing the damage I am doing must be broke
You do both. Light attacks are #1 source of damage for good endgame PvE groups. Because you can do a 20k light attack before every skill you activate. Light attacks are so powerful that they are essentially the difference between good damage groups and bad. The good groups maximize the damage of their light attacks and more consistently squeeze in light attacks between skills.1 -
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✭honey_badger82 wrote: »nesakinter wrote: »honey_badger82 wrote: »kypranb14_ESO wrote: »That's because Automaton would also effect light attacks.
War Maiden technically effects Restoration Staff light attacks, but they are so far behind the others in damage it's totally irrelevant. War Maiden does not effect elemental damage of any sort. Only damage that specifies Magic Damage, such as Swallow Soul, or Entropy.
True but no one light attacks for its massive damage output, its resource conservation and to keep ultimate generating. And the fact that destro staff abilities ignore 10% spell resistance I think more than makes up for a boost to melee weapon light and heavy attacks. Heck a buff to 500 instead of 600 like the other sets would be fair if the light and heavy attacks were the reason they left it out.
Sword singer and the other weapon or class ability specific boosting sets were at 450 due to it being a niche boost. I would think those sets should be boosted to 650 in keeping with that since War Maiden buffs from 400 to 600. A dps magplar using only Templar abilities for damage (most do magic damage except sun fire)makes War Maiden with its new buff a pretty damn strong option in my opinion.
Do you even PvE, bro?
Well apparently I am doing it wrong cause with 3.7k base unbuffed physical damage on character page... I haven't seen a 20k light attack hit with a 2 hander and glyph firing. I mean why would I use jabs ever if every light attack did 20k easy damage? Oh well I guess the numbers on my screen showing the damage I am doing must be broke
Then you need to look more carefully. It's of course hard to see exact numbers when you play on console like I do, but in execute phase with all sorts of buffs - the light attacks hits "about'ish" those numbers no doubt, at least on my magblade. If there's lag and ****, and my LA weaving doesn't work properly, the damage is significantly lower. So yes, you do use light attacks for massive damage output.0 -
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✭✭✭honey_badger82 wrote: »nesakinter wrote: »honey_badger82 wrote: »kypranb14_ESO wrote: »That's because Automaton would also effect light attacks.
War Maiden technically effects Restoration Staff light attacks, but they are so far behind the others in damage it's totally irrelevant. War Maiden does not effect elemental damage of any sort. Only damage that specifies Magic Damage, such as Swallow Soul, or Entropy.
True but no one light attacks for its massive damage output, its resource conservation and to keep ultimate generating. And the fact that destro staff abilities ignore 10% spell resistance I think more than makes up for a boost to melee weapon light and heavy attacks. Heck a buff to 500 instead of 600 like the other sets would be fair if the light and heavy attacks were the reason they left it out.
Sword singer and the other weapon or class ability specific boosting sets were at 450 due to it being a niche boost. I would think those sets should be boosted to 650 in keeping with that since War Maiden buffs from 400 to 600. A dps magplar using only Templar abilities for damage (most do magic damage except sun fire)makes War Maiden with its new buff a pretty damn strong option in my opinion.
Do you even PvE, bro?
Well apparently I am doing it wrong cause with 3.7k base unbuffed physical damage on character page... I haven't seen a 20k light attack hit with a 2 hander and glyph firing. I mean why would I use jabs ever if every light attack did 20k easy damage? Oh well I guess the numbers on my screen showing the damage I am doing must be broke
Because light attacks are free damage. Not only do they cost nothing but they don't slow down the speed you are able to cast your abilities.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA0 -
honey_badger82✭✭✭✭So with my character I use StoA on... at the target dummy in my house with just light attacks buffed with flawless dawnbreaker and rally, jabs to keep major savagery up... my best hit with glyph proc was probably around 12k. 2h sword hits alone highest was 7.8k. Now over time sure this does add up I can admit to being a bit wrong there but both people saying that their light attacks hit harder than that admittedly said they were magicka users not stamina. That only stands to prove my point that StoA deserves a buff too. I'm sure there are meta players out there that can get 20k light attack hits but I hate cookie cutter and like my own unique builds so with that character having 3.4k unbuffed base physical damage about 12k was best I could do so a 200 pt buff like the rest isn't going to send my numbers soaring.0
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thegreat_one✭✭✭✭Destro Light attacks and elemental weapon are pretty fun to watch a pvper health bar disappear.0
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daemondamian✭✭✭It is sort of meta, as it's recommended by Alcast for a Stamina Sorcerer 2H Build PvE DPS for those who haven't got the BIS trial gear.0 -
Everest_Lionheart✭✭✭✭✭thegreat_one wrote: »Destro Light attacks and elemental weapon are pretty fun to watch a pvper health bar disappear.
You should see destro lights attacks with a maelstrom back bar with your wall of elements active and elemental weapon. Light attacks hitting harder than some skills. I’m looking forward to war maiden changes just to try this setup out. Gonna throw that plus ilambris on my Templar and have some fun.0 -
honey_badger82✭✭✭✭Everything here actually proves my point... literally everyone who is talking about the damage they can do are all magicka based! That Alcast build has no more damage potential than one of my stamina orc bow/bow wardens does and again she doesn't get 20k light attack hits with having an 90% crit damage increase due to CP and minor force.
So if all the others like it are getting a buff then StoA deserves one too0