RIP THRASSIANS :(

ayu_fever

gonna miss you friend. i didnt know you for very long, but it sure was fun while it lasted!

Thrassian Stranglers:
Reduced the Weapon and Spell Damage per stack to 17, down from 40.
This set no longer causes you to take 1% more damage per stack, or decreases your healing taken by 1% per stack.
This set now causes you to lose 120 Maximum Health for every stack you have. The maximum stack count stays at 50, resulting in the final stats to be 850 Weapon and Spell Damage, -6000 Health, and -50% shield efficacy.
Increased the duration of the stacks to 1 hour, up from 10 minutes, to better cement the quasi-permanent permanency.

Firstmep

Just make it a different proc condition with a lower (lets say 30 second) duration.

Make it proc on critical strikes for example, this could be the critical damage counterpart to malacaths band p2w, and since it provides weapon and spell damage it wouldnt affect proc sets.

Ezpz.

jaws343

Yeah, for 850 W/S damage, I can't imagine it being worthwhile to lose 6K health and have -50% shield efficiency. This would never be viable on a character with a shield at all, since the health loss is a further shield nerf. And a normal DPS build would be sitting at like 12K health using Stranglers.

Maybe for 1000 W/S damage. or 1200, but 850 just isn't worth it.

kind_hero

850 weapon and spell damage is not worth the trouble of having such a debuff and on top of that losing a 5 piece bonus or a monster set bonus. I wonder who would use the item in this state.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

If that’s is where it’s at, it’s toast. They were at a pretty reasonable spot with their first pass on the PTS, my only real complaint was that the 30 second stack time seemed too small to be useful anywhere but an arena or maybe some 4 man dungeons.

The set, in typical ZOS fashion, came out of the gates wildly OP and has now been nerfed into an Oblivion.

Miloscpolski

just delete dis item

Salvas_Aren

I have to farm the last piece of it to be able to delete it, what a disgrace.

Metalfyre

What?? At first it would go down from max 3K W/S damage to 2 K. Now it's down to 850? That's not even worth the name mythic anymore. It would mean it's totally unbalanced. Crap! If this will be the true case then indeed I'm gonna delete it.
Sometimes I wonder why I still play and pay for this game. Why don't they ever listen to the community? It's like to only wanna cater the PvP'ers out there and screw everyone trying to enjoy the PvE content. Ridiculous.

josiahva

hmm, could be useful for tanks that want to provide a bit of extra damage....but getting the killing blow to build 50 stacks to begin with might take more than an hour

WrathOfInnos

Metalfyre wrote: »

What?? At first it would go down from max 3K W/S damage to 2 K. Now it's down to 850? That's not even worth the name mythic anymore. It would mean it's totally unbalanced. Crap! If this will be the true case then indeed I'm gonna delete it.
Sometimes I wonder why I still play and pay for this game. Why don't they ever listen to the community? It's like to only wanna cater the PvP'ers out there and screw everyone trying to enjoy the PvE content. Ridiculous.

I mean 850 would be fine, if it was possible to build stacks reliably in a group, and survivability only took max 10% hit. The latest version at max stacks is only about a 6% DPS gain, while being impossible to use in most content, and the 6k health penalty and half strength shields are a joke.

Are mythics supposed to be good? I thought that was the intent of a new tier of item.

SolidusPrime

It's frustrating that so much player feedback is ignored so regularly. I don't even want an OP item but this is pure junk. Far from worthy of the "mythic" description.

jaws343

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Metalfyre wrote: »

What?? At first it would go down from max 3K W/S damage to 2 K. Now it's down to 850? That's not even worth the name mythic anymore. It would mean it's totally unbalanced. Crap! If this will be the true case then indeed I'm gonna delete it.
Sometimes I wonder why I still play and pay for this game. Why don't they ever listen to the community? It's like to only wanna cater the PvP'ers out there and screw everyone trying to enjoy the PvE content. Ridiculous.

I mean 850 would be fine, if it was possible to build stacks reliably in a group, and survivability only took max 10% hit. The latest version at max stacks is only about a 6% DPS gain, while being impossible to use in most content, and the 6k health penalty and half strength shields are a joke.

Are mythics supposed to be good? I thought that was the intent of a new tier of item.

They'd be better off balancing it the way they did with Vampire and health regen imo. The more stacks you have, the less regen you get, and at max stacks you get 0 regen for mag and stam.

Salvas_Aren

josiahva wrote: »

hmm, could be useful for tanks that want to provide a bit of extra damage....but getting the killing blow to build 50 stacks to begin with might take more than an hour

By the time a tank notices that the group needs DPS more than tanking, he cant land 50 killing blows any more.

Also, having one or two spare sets in the inventory is easier to achieve and to predict. I'm thinking of sets like shackle breaker, hundings etc, many wear torugs anyway. Or use old gear from the PvP carried by heavy meta times.

Giraffon

I feel totally ripped off that I went to the trouble of farming it. It wasn't that great anyway because you would lose the buff if you ported to your house or another zone. But now it's total garbage. All they had to do was clear the stack before entering PvP zone. It's totally harmless in PvE.

Come on guys. You can do better.

Rowjoh

yet another absurdity to add to the long list.

Along with moving rapid manoeuvre, increasing impen then reducing it again.

How on earth do they come up with this nonsense and who tf are they listening to ?

Kadoin

I still say this mythic should adhere to damage-sustain rules that every other set is balanced around in the game...

Leslik

The whole mythic concept is just another hairbrained zos idea. In a game that has always struggled with balance, they came up with an idea that was always going to make it worse.

SpiderKnight

Well, can we at least get a mannequin furnishing so we have a use for these?

SickleCider

I don't even have words anymore. Any time you try to have fun with something interesting in this game, they destroy it. I'm tired.

wild_kmacdb16_ESO

Honestly, mythic equipment should've never left the draft table for exactly these reasons. They aren't allowed to be powerful because everyone will use them, and if they aren't powerful, why are they 'mythic'?

I probably would have made these items work like potions or something; something you can activate for a short term buff that would share the same cooldown as a potion. But unlike a potion, it wouldn't get consumed on use.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Metalfyre wrote: »

What?? At first it would go down from max 3K W/S damage to 2 K. Now it's down to 850? That's not even worth the name mythic anymore. It would mean it's totally unbalanced. Crap! If this will be the true case then indeed I'm gonna delete it.
Sometimes I wonder why I still play and pay for this game. Why don't they ever listen to the community? It's like to only wanna cater the PvP'ers out there and screw everyone trying to enjoy the PvE content. Ridiculous.

I mean 850 would be fine, if it was possible to build stacks reliably in a group, and survivability only took max 10% hit. The latest version at max stacks is only about a 6% DPS gain, while being impossible to use in most content, and the 6k health penalty and half strength shields are a joke.

Are mythics supposed to be good? I thought that was the intent of a new tier of item.

Seriously, this always felt like an Arena item to me that of course, people figured out how to use in other content. It was sort of the saving grace behind the Asylum staff nerf in VMA. Now I dont think even the best score chasers will use this. They dont care about the shields obviously, but the 6k health is going to matter. In raids, the 6k health is certainly a dealbreaker, because you would not only need to make up for at least some of the health in other ways, but you are also giving up a monster 2 piece in most scenarios.

It also just reinforces the notion that new and shiny items with a difficult farm simply arent worth the trouble. They never last, and certainly arent worth buying the new patch on time.

They need to start over. They keep adding more moving parts to this set, and its getting worse, not better.

doomette

Versispellis wrote: »

I don't even have words anymore. Any time you try to have fun with something interesting in this game, they destroy it. I'm tired.

Certainly does make it feel that farming for these things just isn’t worth it.

thegreat_one

Stop putting cheese in the game and then META players won't QQ when it gets nerfed.

Hapexamendios

Not worth using on DPS. Health penalty kills it. It's basically for a tank solo questing.

daemondamian

Hapexamendios wrote: »

Not worth using on DPS. Health penalty kills it. It's basically for a tank solo questing.

Is that if the tank is still wearing tank gear or has put on some dps sets?

I don't know if their high health pool would mitigate the less resistance from not wearing heavy armor along with the penalties of wearing TS?

SshadowSscale

Metalfyre wrote: »

What?? At first it would go down from max 3K W/S damage to 2 K. Now it's down to 850? That's not even worth the name mythic anymore. It would mean it's totally unbalanced. Crap! If this will be the true case then indeed I'm gonna delete it.
Sometimes I wonder why I still play and pay for this game. Why don't they ever listen to the community? It's like to only wanna cater the PvP'ers out there and screw everyone trying to enjoy the PvE content. Ridiculous.

Yeah because this set was nerfed due to pvp... Lmao it was almsot never used except by a small bit of sorcs who where abusing an exploit with it and the ball of lightning skill..... But hey any change zos makes that is bad is automaticly pvp's fault right.... And Iove how zos is catering to pvp players when we are still waiting for a pvp update.... Last actual update was when they introduced bgs as part of the morrowind chapter..... But oh no they are catering to hard to the pvp players with the 2 dungeon dlc's a year the story dlc and the chapter that barley has anything for pvp at all..... One new sieg weapon hidden behind rng and you having to go dig it up.... Oh wow such amazingness they are giving pvo so much.... Just wow.... And yes I am also upset thay this set was nerfed... My pve dps will miss it alot.... But please stop blaming everything on pvp for no other reason except you not liking pvp

Oreyn_Bearclaw

SshadowSscale wrote: »

Metalfyre wrote: »

What?? At first it would go down from max 3K W/S damage to 2 K. Now it's down to 850? That's not even worth the name mythic anymore. It would mean it's totally unbalanced. Crap! If this will be the true case then indeed I'm gonna delete it.
Sometimes I wonder why I still play and pay for this game. Why don't they ever listen to the community? It's like to only wanna cater the PvP'ers out there and screw everyone trying to enjoy the PvE content. Ridiculous.

Yeah because this set was nerfed due to pvp... Lmao it was almsot never used except by a small bit of sorcs who where abusing an exploit with it and the ball of lightning skill..... But hey any change zos makes that is bad is automaticly pvp's fault right.... And Iove how zos is catering to pvp players when we are still waiting for a pvp update.... Last actual update was when they introduced bgs as part of the morrowind chapter..... But oh no they are catering to hard to the pvp players with the 2 dungeon dlc's a year the story dlc and the chapter that barley has anything for pvp at all..... One new sieg weapon hidden behind rng and you having to go dig it up.... Oh wow such amazingness they are giving pvo so much.... Just wow.... And yes I am also upset thay this set was nerfed... My pve dps will miss it alot.... But please stop blaming everything on pvp for no other reason except you not liking pvp

It was used by way more than sorcs. I used on both a sorc and NB pretty effectively. I didnt even know about the ball of lighting glitch until right before they fixed it. Not saying it wasnt abused, but you didnt need it. Building stacks is not hard on live. Plenty of places in cyro with a dozen zombies walking around.

Pinning this on either PVE or PVP as the sole cause is just flat out disingenuous. It was abused in both.

Wing

lol

if you move points from main stat to health and then use this its by far the strongest and most efficient raw damage item in the game.

lot of people really dont know what they are talking about, this went from niche use to possibly required best in slot.

but math is hard i guess.

for those who find numbers tricky.

6000 health is about 5500 raw stat assuming you move attribute points from main stat to health.
5500 raw stat is roughly 550 spell / weapon damage.

OF NOTE raw stats are applied to skills like weapon and spell damage but are not effected by % increases like brutality

stranglers provide 850 of both weapons AND spell damage, so an increase of 300 main stat, 850 off stat.

OF note, it IS effected by brutality, so its at least over 1020 with just a major buff, and can scale higher

bringing the increase up to well over 500 main stat damage, and over 1000 off stat damage.



math is tricky i guess.

jaws343

Wing wrote: »

lol

if you move points from main stat to health and then use this its by far the strongest and most efficient raw damage item in the game.

lot of people really dont know what they are talking about, this went from niche use to possibly required best in slot.

but math is hard i guess.

Does the set take from base health and not scaled health? If it takes from your base health, before modifiers, you are losing far more than 6K health.

And even more than that, you are sacrificing a 5 piece set for 850 damage and a ton of draw backs that you are now having to shift your build around to make up for. But that 850 damage isn't really that much you are gaining. You are still needing to not slot a 5 piece set, a set that could be adding 400+ damage to your build. So you are really only gaining like 400-500 W/S damage extra from Thrassian, with a huge debuff to health and shields. A debuff that you are moving stats around to overcome, which means less max mag, which means your damage is being impacted from that route as well. Is the extra 400-500 S/W damage actually going to make up for that?

WrathOfInnos

daemondamian wrote: »

Hapexamendios wrote: »

Not worth using on DPS. Health penalty kills it. It's basically for a tank solo questing.

Is that if the tank is still wearing tank gear or has put on some dps sets?

I don't know if their high health pool would mitigate the less resistance from not wearing heavy armor along with the penalties of wearing TS?

Would not be worth doing for 850 damage. 2 5-piece sets add a lot more than that. Even Spell Strategist alone gives 847 Spell Damage, and it’s not the best DPS set just an easy comparison.

Wing

jaws343 wrote: »

Does the set take from base health and not scaled health? If it takes from your base health, before modifiers, you are losing far more than 6K health.

scaled not base, 6k after calcs.

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

daemondamian wrote: »

Hapexamendios wrote: »

Not worth using on DPS. Health penalty kills it. It's basically for a tank solo questing.

Is that if the tank is still wearing tank gear or has put on some dps sets?

I don't know if their high health pool would mitigate the less resistance from not wearing heavy armor along with the penalties of wearing TS?

Would not be worth doing for 850 damage. 2 5-piece sets add a lot more than that. Even Spell Strategist alone gives 847 Spell Damage, and it’s not the best DPS set just an easy comparison.

spell strategist just got nerf'd on pts. and you can build in different ways other then "giving up a 5 piece" with that being said base line 5th piece damage is 300 damage, obviously stranglers would be better.