Would you support the addition of Thinblooded Vampirism?

TX12001rwb17_ESO

I doubt ZOS would ever implement such a thing even though I imagine a lot of people have wanted this since the Vampirism changes, we would have the original Vampirism system in addition to the Lamae Bal one.

As for how to obtain the old one it would actually be quite simple, the Vampirism quest would have a timer that tells you to go to Lamae Bal, doing so would give you the current updated Vampirism system but running out the timer and not visiting her would instead turn you into a Thinblooded Vampire, this Thinblooded Vampire would possess the same abilities as the pre-Greymoor Vampire which include Bat Swarm instead of Blood Scion, Drain Essence instead of Vampiric Drain and a Non-Toggable Mist Form, the stages would also be reversed.

EDIT: And before anyone gets confused no you would not have both at the same time for obvious reasons, you would only beable to have 1 skillline which would be dependent on how you finish the quest, either Blood Scion or Thinblood.

Operativ

The question is, would it be worth the effort to maintain two balancing efforts at the same time for vampires?

I'd rather see them add Crossbows and the Dawnguard instead if you ask me personally.

vestahls

Nay

As good as the VTM world is, I don't think they were ever a thing in TES and they don't need to be.They'd be overcomplicating a system that works well enough as it is, even though it is not optimal.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

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Operativ wrote: »

The question is, would it be worth the effort to maintain two balancing efforts at the same time for vampires?

I'd rather see them add Crossbows and the Dawnguard instead if you ask me personally.

The old system was fine, it only had 3 abilities in addition to the passives, it would not really need balancing, it would also be more for the Vampire who does not want to be a Blood Scion, the fact we are forced to be this special snowflake Blood Scion if we want to be a Vampire is disgraceful.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

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vestahls wrote: »

As good as the VTM world is, I don't think they were ever a thing in TES and they don't need to be.They'd be overcomplicating a system that works well enough as it is, even though it is not optimal.

WTF does this have to do with Vampire the Masquerade?

Thinbloods have been a thing since the Dawnguard DLC, a Thinblood is a Vampire who contracted their Vampirism by disease and not from a Pureblooded Vampire which means they cannot transform.

Galwylin

Nay

Nah, keeping two in check would be too much for folks who struggle with just one. What I do think they should do is give vampires their own outlaw refuge type den than non-vampires can enter. I know this is mostly about not liking the skills but I kinda like that you have to make some tough tradeoffs. Oh, the den of course will be filled with bloody mara's and thralls looking to get a nibble. Being a vampire shouldn't be about getting all the power and shrugging at downsides.

And on this I think if you don't get cured or do the quest you'll simply die and have the disease erased.

vestahls

Nay

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

vestahls wrote: »

As good as the VTM world is, I don't think they were ever a thing in TES and they don't need to be.They'd be overcomplicating a system that works well enough as it is, even though it is not optimal.

WTF does this have to do with Vampire the Masquerade?

Thinbloods have been a thing since the Dawnguard DLC, a Thinblood is a Vampire who contracted their Vampirism by disease and not from a Pureblooded Vampire which means they cannot transform.

I have literally no memory of that, nor can I find any reference online, even in TIL.
But even if it was a thing in Dawnguard, point stands that there's 0 reason for it to exist in ESO. The current system works aptly enough with no further complexity required. And if it weren't working right, more complexity would not be the solution.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

Yay

Galwylin wrote: »

Nah, keeping two in check would be too much for folks who struggle with just one. What I do think they should do is give vampires their own outlaw refuge type den than non-vampires can enter. I know this is mostly about not liking the skills but I kinda like that you have to make some tough tradeoffs. Oh, the den of course will be filled with bloody mara's and thralls looking to get a nibble. Being a vampire shouldn't be about getting all the power and shrugging at downsides.

And on this I think if you don't get cured or do the quest you'll simply die and have the disease erased.

Only struggle with 1? What you would not have both at the same time, it would function as a 3rd transformation option, if your a Thinblooded Vampire you would not beable to be a Blood Scion just as you cannot be a Blood Scion and Werewolf at the same time.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

Yay

vestahls wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

vestahls wrote: »

As good as the VTM world is, I don't think they were ever a thing in TES and they don't need to be.They'd be overcomplicating a system that works well enough as it is, even though it is not optimal.

WTF does this have to do with Vampire the Masquerade?

Thinbloods have been a thing since the Dawnguard DLC, a Thinblood is a Vampire who contracted their Vampirism by disease and not from a Pureblooded Vampire which means they cannot transform.

I have literally no memory of that, nor can I find any reference online, even in TIL.
But even if it was a thing in Dawnguard, point stands that there's 0 reason for it to exist in ESO. The current system works aptly enough with no further complexity required. And if it weren't working right, more complexity would not be the solution.

Your joking right? you do realize not all Vampires can transform into Vampire Lords or Blood Scions? the Blood Scion is unique to Lamae Bal's bloodline only, no other Vampires in the entire world can transform into one, only those turned by Molag Bal or another Pureblooded Vampire can transform into a Vampire Lord.

In Skyrim if you contracted Vampirism via Sanquinare Vampiris you would not gain the Vampire Lord power, the only way to get that was to have Lord Harkon or his daughter Serana to bite you, both of whom are Pureblooded Vampires directly turned by Molag Bal.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Volkihar

vestahls

Nay

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

vestahls wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

vestahls wrote: »

As good as the VTM world is, I don't think they were ever a thing in TES and they don't need to be.They'd be overcomplicating a system that works well enough as it is, even though it is not optimal.

WTF does this have to do with Vampire the Masquerade?

Thinbloods have been a thing since the Dawnguard DLC, a Thinblood is a Vampire who contracted their Vampirism by disease and not from a Pureblooded Vampire which means they cannot transform.

I have literally no memory of that, nor can I find any reference online, even in TIL.
But even if it was a thing in Dawnguard, point stands that there's 0 reason for it to exist in ESO. The current system works aptly enough with no further complexity required. And if it weren't working right, more complexity would not be the solution.

Your joking right? you do realize not all Vampires can transform into Vampire Lords or Blood Scions? the Blood Scion is unique to Lamae Bal's bloodline only, no other Vampires can transform into one, only those turned by Molag Bal or another Pureblooded Vampire can transform into a Vampire Lord.

I just have no memory of them being referred to as thinbloods.

And anyway, I think the vampire lord thing was just a Skyrim addition anyway, it wasn't a thing in Morrowind, nor in Daggerfall (inb4 the technology wasn't there yet - yeah but still).

Thannazzar

Id rather they fixed the existing Vampire line than have 2 variants. ie:

1. Give us a Scion Morph that doesnt feature transform
2. Make Drain worth slotting
3. Give us a bat form fast travel/gap closer ability.

And either give us stamina morfs for Vamp powers or add a melee magicka skill line so my Vamp doesnt have to close range hit foes with a stick!

emilyhyoyeon

Yay

I would like this, except keep the removal of the old regen passive because of minmax with tanks especially

Ventru7

Yay

I like this idea but ESO doesn't really have rp faction stuff so I doubt people would like this because it would be out of nowhere and confuse people.

NotaDaedraWorshipper

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

vestahls wrote: »

As good as the VTM world is, I don't think they were ever a thing in TES and they don't need to be.They'd be overcomplicating a system that works well enough as it is, even though it is not optimal.

WTF does this have to do with Vampire the Masquerade?

Thinbloods have been a thing since the Dawnguard DLC, a Thinblood is a Vampire who contracted their Vampirism by disease and not from a Pureblooded Vampire which means they cannot transform.

Technically it's still a disease from a pureblooded vampire.

Operativ

I mean, I'm always up for extra variety if this wouldn't be troublesome and have some legit backstory. TES V: Skyrim did show two different vampire types, so that could work there. I'm neutral on this matter, as I'd still like to see them Dawnguard folks (they did exist, and were even founded right in this specific TESO timeline).

TX12001rwb17_ESO

Yay

vestahls wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

vestahls wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

vestahls wrote: »

As good as the VTM world is, I don't think they were ever a thing in TES and they don't need to be.They'd be overcomplicating a system that works well enough as it is, even though it is not optimal.

WTF does this have to do with Vampire the Masquerade?

Thinbloods have been a thing since the Dawnguard DLC, a Thinblood is a Vampire who contracted their Vampirism by disease and not from a Pureblooded Vampire which means they cannot transform.

I have literally no memory of that, nor can I find any reference online, even in TIL.
But even if it was a thing in Dawnguard, point stands that there's 0 reason for it to exist in ESO. The current system works aptly enough with no further complexity required. And if it weren't working right, more complexity would not be the solution.

Your joking right? you do realize not all Vampires can transform into Vampire Lords or Blood Scions? the Blood Scion is unique to Lamae Bal's bloodline only, no other Vampires can transform into one, only those turned by Molag Bal or another Pureblooded Vampire can transform into a Vampire Lord.

I just have no memory of them being referred to as thinbloods.

And anyway, I think the vampire lord thing was just a Skyrim addition anyway, it wasn't a thing in Morrowind, nor in Daggerfall (inb4 the technology wasn't there yet - yeah but still).

The Vampire clans in Morrowind and Daggerfall are all impure/thinblooded whatever you want to call it, not one Vampire among those clans is pure enough to transform into anything let alone a Vampire Lord that is why, the first Vampire Lord we had ever encountered in a TES game was Lord Harkon and technically his daughter who we do meet first and they are thousands of years old.

We even meet Volrina Quarra, the founder of the Quarra Bloodline which is one of the three clans in TES:3 Morrowind here in ESO and she is has not even become a Vampire yet.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

Yay

Ventru7 wrote: »

I like this idea but ESO doesn't really have rp faction stuff so I doubt people would like this because it would be out of nowhere and confuse people.

This game has a lot of RP, you should hang around Riften on the NA/PC but that is not the point, the player is forced to be a certain type of Vampire with certain abilities not like any other Vampire in existence, a Vampire whose abilities force you to play a certain build, the old Vampirism system was better adapted for different builds because there was no ability cost increase and you had Supernatural Recovery which boosted magic and stamina regeneration, Bat Swarm was also cheaper then Blood Scion, sure the latter is more powerful but worse for PvP as the first thing most players do when you transform is get out of range and wait out the timer since it only lasts 20 seconds it ends up as a waste.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

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"You contracted a disease perhaps but you are no true Vampire"

Those are Harkon's own words not to mention the diseases contracted count does not increase if they turn you, Vampirism is not a disease, what can cause it however is, if you get bitten by a Pureblooded Vampire you skip the disease part.

Luckylancer

Yay

Who knows how many skill lines are there and some people say re-adding a vampirism will cause balance issues. It wont, it is just an old skill line.

Players lost their old vamprism skills and passives for no good reason. Skyrim have thin blooded vampirrs why ESO cant have that?

Gedalya

I support new content; would rather see new classes, new weapon types, or even new world skill lines.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

Yay

Luckylancer wrote: »

Who knows how many skill lines are there and some people say re-adding a vampirism will cause balance issues. It wont, it is just an old skill line.

Players lost their old vamprism skills and passives for no good reason. Skyrim have thin blooded vampirrs why ESO cant have that?

Because so many people seem to be against having more options for some reason and think adding an extra skill line which already existed in the past will suddenly kill balance even though it did not kill balance when it was still a thing.

Instead this would add diversity among players and slim down the number of Blood Scions existing, you can have the more Vampire focused Blood Scion skill-line or the more adaptable Thinblooded Vampire skill-line, it is a win-win situation for everybody.

SpiderKnight

Yay

One thing that annoys me with the new line is that Vampires are suddenly sensitive to sunlight. I believe it was noted that this particular bloodline was not affected by it, did I read wrong at some point? But for some odd reason we now need an "orb of magnus" memento.

Trapasaurus_Rex

Yay

I just want bat swarm back without making the rest of my character bad.

Radiance

Nay

No, they just need to Un-botch vampirism.

I can tell how badly you want this but you need to relax bc it's not going to happen...

TheImperfect

Nay

No milk drinking vampires.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

Yay

Radiance wrote: »

No, they just need to Un-botch vampirism.

I can tell how badly you want this but you need to relax bc it's not going to happen...

Actually you don't because I like being a Blood Scion, the fact that all characters are forced to be one though is what I don't like, maybe sometimes I want to play as one who is not, sure not taking the perk is one thing but the fact we are forced to transform into one during the quest is probably the worst part of it.

Galwylin

Nay

The thing I think is being missed is I think lots of us have things we'd like back to how they were. Nightblades for instance have had so many (bad) changes, I'd love to be able to have access to the old working of some skills. For vampires, this is the way it is right now. I'm not sure why they should be singled out. Especially since ZOS already demonstrates they struggle with what is currently available. I'm sure more adjustments are coming but find it highly unlikely to see basically another skill line added which will have to be different enough to justify its existence. But if I can get the old workings of nightblade skills they've changed added on top, sure, lets do all the skill lines.

opaj

I wouldn't phrase it like that, but I'd be into additional vampire bloodlines that support different kinds of builds. I mean, I don't think it would be a good use of development resources, but it would be really cool.

I'm sure there'd be lots of Morrowind RPers who'd go out of their way to get infected by the old Vvardenfell bloodlines, and just as many Skyrim RPers who'd want to be Volkihar. I consider my own vampire to be a Whet-Fang, so I wouldn't complain if I could actually make him one in the game mechanics.