Antiquities, purple leads and levelling apprentices

SantieClaws

Many good mornings travellers.

Khajiit has been herself for some weeks been a fully qualified level 10 antiquarian.

This one now has also trained Snowstorm to level 9, Spiny Tim to level 7 and Alderman Snowball Dugglby to level 6.

The issue is that the purple leads for the green and blue diggy that were available to this one are not available to the apprentices. Oh this is painful. Khajiit has heard so many travellers say this is painful. Levelling a second, third or subsequent apprentice in diggy really can make you just want to give up and do something else.

This one understand this though because they were a delightful source of income and she would not want her apprentices to have too much coin as it would just all get frittered away on lollipops and new hats.

Anyway this one she had one of those thought picture things about a possible way around this.

Instead of the purple leads producing a valuable treasure how about they produce a furnishing? Nothing too valuable but something you could make use of if you had multiple of them.

This one she thinks maybe the following sort of items:

Lighting
Chairs
Rugs
Food
Campfires

Bind them if need be so there is no monetary value. The real value anyway is the diggy xp. This one would actually prefer none of the diggy furnishings to be bound but that is how it is for the present.

This way you would get something useful and you get a repeatable source of purple leads to help the pain of training up apprentices. Perhaps even add another tier of similar leads in some zones that are gold - that way you also ease the pain a bit of working through the higher levels.

This one would be interested to hear your thoughts on the matter and any suggestions you might have for the sort of purple, repeatable furnishings that you think you could make use of if you had a few of them.

Or if you have another way of easing the diggy pain and generally saving Artaeum at the same time then this one would be glad to hear it.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

heaven13

Honestly, I think the purple treasure should be available once per character, not once per account. Missing out on approximately 34 purple items is a huge chunk of missing XP for leveling additional characters. And the amount of gold you get from them in relation to the amount of time put in to be able to excavate them in the first place is balanced enough that there are still faster/easier ways to make gold.

I leveled my main character to 10 without scrying/excavating anything more than once; I'd like to do the same with any other characters I choose to level through that skill lines, but without those purple treasures it will likely be impossible. And doing greens/blues over and over and over feels more like a grind than the fun I had the first time.

santhoranb16_ESO

Purples once per character wouldnt even hurt the economy.
The pure profit is to low even if you can do it over and over with new characters.

The time for A) Creating a new character gaining enough skill points and then C) getting Antiquities leveled to 5 to catch that purples and then D) running through the zones with NO wayshrines known cause its a new character, no rapids and slow horse. That does not hurt the economy.

No one has to worry about that it would ruin the prices - it simple isnt in any way a lucrative way to gain gold.

But more so the reason it would never happen is, the Antiquities system itself is designed different. Any character can scry&excavate any lead on your account. So if they would make purples repeatable per character....they would need to completely overhaul the system to make it per character based...which wont happen and i would not want either. But the gold thingy isnt a reason.

ShawnLaRock

Apologies in advance - but I just wanted to say, “Alderman Snowball Dugglby.”

S.

stewhead2ub17_ESO

@SantieClaws was wondering where you have been? Good to see you still traversing Tamriel!

SidraWillowsky

They could even leave the XP the same and drastically lower the amount of gold they give. Or just give nothing- kinda like the weekly trial coffers, where you get one per week but can continue to run the trial after that but just get no coffer at the end.

SantieClaws

ShawnLaRock wrote: »

Apologies in advance - but I just wanted to say, “Alderman Snowball Dugglby.”

S.

The origins of this name are interesting yes. This, with a minor spelling change, was the name of a person in Outside World in the 1880s. Snowball was genuinely his mother's maiden name. It was quite common to use the mother's maiden name as a middle or even first name.

Alderman literally means 'old man'. It was a civic title a bit like mayor but in certain places it was also used as a first name.

It was too good a name not to use really! Should they ever allow this one to hire more apprentices then this one has a few more names ready and waiting.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Aznarb

Dunno still don't have enough faith to leveling these line more than stage 5.. <.<
I find this boring tbh.

SantieClaws

Aznarb wrote: »

Dunno still don't have enough faith to leveling these line more than stage 5.. <.<
I find this boring tbh.

It is so very worth it for the skill that makes treasure chests glow ...

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

madrab73

SantieClaws wrote: »

Aznarb wrote: »

Dunno still don't have enough faith to leveling these line more than stage 5.. <.<
I find this boring tbh.

It is so very worth it for the skill that makes treasure chests glow ...

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

This one agrees

TheRealPotoroo

heaven13 wrote: »

Honestly, I think the purple treasure should be available once per character, not once per account. Missing out on approximately 34 purple items is a huge chunk of missing XP for leveling additional characters. And the amount of gold you get from them in relation to the amount of time put in to be able to excavate them in the first place is balanced enough that there are still faster/easier ways to make gold.

I leveled my main character to 10 without scrying/excavating anything more than once; I'd like to do the same with any other characters I choose to level through that skill lines, but without those purple treasures it will likely be impossible. And doing greens/blues over and over and over feels more like a grind than the fun I had the first time.

This is the perfect solution. It makes grinding antiquities on alts viable without upsetting the fundamental design. It'll never happen.

SantieClaws

Presently this one is levelling the apprentices as best she can by using treasure maps to try and find the occasional lead. This is expensive and rather inefficient though as the drop rate of leads from treasure maps is really not that good these days - it seemed much better in the first couple of weeks. Even when you get something it is usually only those motif pages.

The fact also you cannot get a second lead for a part of something until you have completed the whole item, for example the ring of super speedy, means a lot of potential leads that were used for levelling the first time round are largely locked off. Not a cat in Summerset's chance that this one will ever complete that wolf while so much of it is locked behind group content and the lead is not even a guaranteed drop.

Diggy is great. This one does not doubt that at all. The fact is this one wants to diggy and level apprentices but with decent leads so hard to come by presently it makes it a lot less enjoyable.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

BisDasBlutGefriert

I wish we could give the purple leads we find away. I don’t even mess with the antiquities,and I’ve had so many drop for me randomly that now I just leave them in chests and on bodies or wherever else for the next person to hopefully have some use of them.

Please let us trade/give these away

santhoranb16_ESO

If you want to get an alternate method, you can level up the following way: Get the Gold-Lead from Coldharbour, scry it with your Master Antiquarian, dig it up with your Character of choice(level 5 digging suggested, where you could dig purples). Its not perfect as the load screens get annoying, but still faster then just greens and blues

Feric51

BisDasBlutGefriert wrote: »

I wish we could give the purple leads we find away. I don’t even mess with the antiquities,and I’ve had so many drop for me randomly that now I just leave them in chests and on bodies or wherever else for the next person to hopefully have some use of them.

Please let us trade/give these away

This is exactly what I thought was going to be the case from day-one when they mentioned that even people who had not purchased Greymoor would still be able to acquire leads. I pictured a consumable piece of paper/map that would "lead" you towards the antiquity that could be sold or given and wouldn't enter your journal until you actually read (consumed) it.

Alas twas not the case.

Ozby

They either did not think this skill line through very well or they just do not want us to have the chest passive on all our toons.

Nestor

Unless this is a blatant cash grab mechanism to get people to buy the Skill Line, this needs to be addressed.

tim99

it gets a bad taste as these skill lines will come to crown store soon....
working as intended?

TheRealPotoroo

santhoranb16_ESO wrote: »

If you want to get an alternate method, you can level up the following way: Get the Gold-Lead from Coldharbour, scry it with your Master Antiquarian, dig it up with your Character of choice(level 5 digging suggested, where you could dig purples). Its not perfect as the load screens get annoying, but still faster then just greens and blues

The problem is that you can't do that until you hit L7 and the grind between L5 and L7 without the guaranteed purple leads is a pain. Once you hit L7 then fine, you basically live in Coldharbour after that.

santhoranb16_ESO

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

santhoranb16_ESO wrote: »

If you want to get an alternate method, you can level up the following way: Get the Gold-Lead from Coldharbour, scry it with your Master Antiquarian, dig it up with your Character of choice(level 5 digging suggested, where you could dig purples). Its not perfect as the load screens get annoying, but still faster then just greens and blues

The problem is that you can't do that until you hit L7 and the grind between L5 and L7 without the guaranteed purple leads is a pain. Once you hit L7 then fine, you basically live in Coldharbour after that.

Why you cant do that?
I'm able to dig up purples with lvl 2 Antiquities, Gold with 5 shouldnt be a problem? You might not catch extra and focus all your turns on the antiquity but that should be no dealbreaker.
Below 5 you cant get the gold ones but with 5 it should be really doable.

ArchangelIsraphel

This one agrees wholeheartedly. The wish for more furnishings from antiquities, perhaps even an "apprentice system" where your master antiquarian can perhaps provide "tasks" (purple leads) they assign to lower level characters for special furnishing rewards that can only be obtained through the apprentice system might be fun, yes? Also because this one would like to roleplay the idea of a "lead" antiquarian instructing the others as they learn.

FrancisCrawford

santhoranb16_ESO wrote: »

If you want to get an alternate method, you can level up the following way: Get the Gold-Lead from Coldharbour, scry it with your Master Antiquarian, dig it up with your Character of choice(level 5 digging suggested, where you could dig purples). Its not perfect as the load screens get annoying, but still faster then just greens and blues

That's a REALLY good idea. The only really important digging skill you don't have at Level 5 is the one that gives you a chance to use the heavy shovel multiple times in a row.

TheRealPotoroo

santhoranb16_ESO wrote: »

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

santhoranb16_ESO wrote: »

If you want to get an alternate method, you can level up the following way: Get the Gold-Lead from Coldharbour, scry it with your Master Antiquarian, dig it up with your Character of choice(level 5 digging suggested, where you could dig purples). Its not perfect as the load screens get annoying, but still faster then just greens and blues

The problem is that you can't do that until you hit L7 and the grind between L5 and L7 without the guaranteed purple leads is a pain. Once you hit L7 then fine, you basically live in Coldharbour after that.

Why you cant do that?
I'm able to dig up purples with lvl 2 Antiquities, Gold with 5 shouldnt be a problem? You might not catch extra and focus all your turns on the antiquity but that should be no dealbreaker.
Below 5 you cant get the gold ones but with 5 it should be really doable.

You have to have L5 Scrying to do purples, L7 to do golds. I've ground out antiquities on two alts and it's the lack of guaranteed purples between L5 and L7 that's the real soul killer. The odd furnishing purple you pick up doesn't come close to replacing the G(1) + B(3) + P(5) = 9 exp per zone you get on the first character that makes L5 to L7 (actually more like L8.5 if you do them all) faster and more interesting.

SpacemanSpiff1

really missed those purple leads while doing my second character. i was going to do scrying and excavation on all of my 'main' dungeon characters to aid in spotting chests, but it's far too much of a time sink.

santhoranb16_ESO

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

You have to have L5 Scrying to do purples, L7 to do golds. I've ground out antiquities on two alts and it's the lack of guaranteed purples between L5 and L7 that's the real soul killer. The odd furnishing purple you pick up doesn't come close to replacing the G(1) + B(3) + P(5) = 9 exp per zone you get on the first character that makes L5 to L7 (actually more like L8.5 if you do them all) faster and more interesting.

I'm doing these purples from lvl2-3. There isnt a limit to dig. Remember i'm talking about my alternate method. So you can dig up gold with 5.

Raideen

This is still an issue @ZOS_GinaBruno any news on this?

AlnilamE

Raideen wrote: »

This is still an issue @ZOS_GinaBruno any news on this?

I'm on my 6th character getting to level 7. I use treasure maps and the purple leads that drop from "All Loot Tables" in certain zones.

If I was making any sort of effort, I'd be done with all my characters, but I'm a bit of a slacker.

Rittings

I’m on my fourth toon and the grind has gotten crazy real. What is tYe easiest purple lead to obtain do we think?