Mating and Race/Class combining (Idea)

Mystic_wolf479

So let's all grow up a little bit, and take a deep breath before responding to this one. smile:

It's no easy task, but if I could manage to make a sample version of this concept on the CK with FO4, then you can do it for ESO if you want to lol

Two players with the rings of mara (any gender due to magic being in the game) can mate, creating an offspring character for them both. (one each)
They will need an empty character slot for this to work.
Mating will create a randomly built character with set race traits and class abilities that are a combination of the two races/classes that have mated.
The players can go to their character selection screen to see a new character and customize it.
When they log into the game, they'll be able to see what they've made.
Did they get lucky and make a super hybrid or a dud to be thrown off the cliffs?
This one would make things interesting.
These offspring characters should share the experience bonus with all family members/related characters.
The offspring's genders are random. One could get a female while the other gets a male.
You'd also need to make a...Oh man, this is a big one. I'll just leave this as the base idea. You all can imagine everything else that would need to be done.

Gederic

Alternatively you could play the Sims. Just a uh.. Thought

idk

Gederic wrote: »

Alternatively you could play the Sims. Just a uh.. Thought

LOL.

But seriously to the idea presented, absolutely no. Balance is the first issue and building the system is likely more work than it is worth.

SosRuvaak

i always giggled when the guards in skyrim would comment about the fur coming from my ears....despite being an argonian.
all i can say is

FUZZY LIZARDS

Nairinhe

We already have Indriks, and I'd say that's enough Pokemon for an Elder Scrolls game

Iluvrien

Have you read “Notes on Racial Phylogeny”?

Vevvev

https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/Notes_on_Racial_Phylogeny

Sylvermynx

I wouldn't be interested. I wouldn't care if it was in the game, but I tend to doubt ZOS is going to go that direction.

Syldras

Mystic_wolf479 wrote: »

Two players with the rings of mara (any gender due to magic being in the game) can mate

Well, don't want to scare you, but everyone can mate, even without magic and without the ring of Mara

rrimöykk

SosRuvaak wrote: »

i always giggled when the guards in skyrim would comment about the fur coming from my ears....despite being an argonian.
all i can say is

FUZZY LIZARDS

You a werewolf?

Ackwalan

Interesting, but a balancing nightmare.

Raisin

Syldras wrote: »

Mystic_wolf479 wrote: »

Two players with the rings of mara (any gender due to magic being in the game) can mate

Well, don't want to scare you, but everyone can mate, even without magic and without the ring of Mara

What do you mean without the ring?!?

Iluvrien wrote: »

Have you read “Notes on Racial Phylogeny”?

Will say that technically OP is suggesting only racial passives are mixed, rather tham a complete hybrid race. This is in fact supported both by the existence of Bretons, as well as "Notes on Racial Phylogeny" itself: Generally the offspring bear the racial traits of the mother, though some traces of the father's race may also be present.

That said, the immense amount of balancing issue aside, this would require the Pledge of Mara to be attainable without crowns, otherwise it'd be considered too P2W.

Kittytravel

Vevvev wrote: »

https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/Notes_on_Racial_Phylogeny

I always hated that book cause it implied there were almost no interracial Khajiit/Orc/Argonian/Wood Elf couplings as if lesbians and gays didn't exist in Elder Scrolls and gave a crap.

Look at Fennorian. [snip]

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Raisin

Kittytravel wrote: »

Vevvev wrote: »

https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/Notes_on_Racial_Phylogeny

I always hated that book cause it implied there were almost no interracial Khajiit/Orc/Argonian/Wood Elf couplings as if lesbians and gays didn't exist in Elder Scrolls and gave a crap.

Look at Fennorian. [snip]

Could you highlight which part of the book implies that? All I see is discussion strictly about offspring and mating, nothing in regards to the frequency of any potential interracial couples. Do you mean the part about cultural bias regarding Orcs?

Syldras

Honestly, although it would be amusing to see what the result was if you could interbreed (sorry, if it's not the nicest term) two chars, I don't think it would improve the game in any way. Someone said it: a balancing nightmare.

Kittytravel wrote: »

I always hated that book cause it implied there were almost no interracial Khajiit/Orc/Argonian/Wood Elf couplings as if lesbians and gays didn't exist in Elder Scrolls and gave a crap.

It's not about relationships/love/romance, but about reproduction. There are limitations naturally, whether by race (if you consider how Argonians are born) or by sex. Of course you could use magic maybe, but the book is about natural procreation.

VaranisArano

Lore says that you don't get mixed racial passives/powers. The Bretons are the weird case, but even that happened over centuries of elf/human interbreeding.

Mara blesses all forms of love, but the lore just doesn't support min/maxing your mixed marriages.

Iluvrien

Raisin wrote: »

Kittytravel wrote: »

Vevvev wrote: »

https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/Notes_on_Racial_Phylogeny

I always hated that book cause it implied there were almost no interracial Khajiit/Orc/Argonian/Wood Elf couplings as if lesbians and gays didn't exist in Elder Scrolls and gave a crap.

Look at Fennorian. He's pretty gay. Or extremely British but probably gay.

Could you highlight which part of the book implies that? All I see is discussion strictly about offspring and mating, nothing in regards to the frequency of any potential interracial couples. Do you mean the part about cultural bias regarding Orcs?

The suggestions on interfertility.. and the lack of evidence of any offspring from parings of specific races.

Ratzkifal

Maybe in a game with more roleplaying stats like competitive pokemon, which is essentially just a breeding contest.
But it doesn't fit into ESO, doesn't sound like a good idea nor fun.

Also a lot of people are interpreting the book Notes on Racial Phylogeny wrong.
Interracial couples will bear offspring of the same race (meaning racial passives) as the mother 100% of the time. The difference between a pure Breton and a Breton with an Orc father is very small. We are looking at very minor differences here at best, like 2% faster muscle growth on average compared to the average Breton and that also depends on what genes were passed down from what parent.
Now also keep in mind that the Bretons were the results of eugenics, which is a highly unethical but necessary procedure to create a new hybrid race, which was totally fine with the Aldmer of High Rock since they saw it as elevating their slave race done safely without tarnishing their own racial purity. It is implied that the gradual change from Nedes to Bretons was only possible because the Nedes were bred on a large scale over many generations always with the purpose of making them more Elven in mind - just like how you make dogs out of wolves by only allowing the most tame ones to breed a next generation.

faeeichenlaub

If two bosmers mate can their offspring get their Stealth back?

Sylvermynx

faeeichenlaub wrote: »

If two bosmers mate can their offspring get their Stealth back?

AWESOME! And I haven't ever played my Bosmer as stealth based....

Actually, in ESO there's at least one Bosmer/Khajiit married pair involved in a simple "find dog find husband" quest - starts at the Temple wayshrine in Grahtwood.

Girl_Number8

This is not needed in game for many reasons.

You can already use the outfit station and character creator to RP this. There is clothing that was already sold to make characters look like other races. It was not well done but it is there.

You should probably make a post in the Crown Store section to accomplish this look. I am sure many people would be receptive to something cosmetic.

Skykaiser_Ọlọrun

Mystic_wolf479 wrote: »

Two players with the rings of mara (any gender due to magic being in the game) can mate

I...uh...don't think it works like that.

kargen27

"These offspring characters should share the experience bonus with all family members/related characters."

This is the worst part of the idea. Any new character no matter how created would need to start from scratch. You want a new character level a new character.

ArchMikem

Mix matching Class Passives would be pretty fun and also insanely overpowered, which I guess is what the random generation is for, to balance it out and make it so you can pick and choose what would work best.

Race mixing on the other hand violates Lore if it's random. It's established, (even though not necessarily confirmed) that in the scenario of an inter-racial mating, the child will always take after the Mother's Race, while inheriting secondary traits from the Father. Example, a Female Khajiit and a Male Nord may have a really tall and buff Khajiit child.

Mystic_wolf479

Oh wow, this got a bit of traction.
Yup, balance nightmare for sure.
This was just one of my (way too many) ideas. One of the bigger ones that's for sure.

And that book, I haven't heard of it before today. Thank you for suggesting it.
Thank you all for your responses they were interesting and insightful.

SydneyGrey

Fun idea, but not sure how it would work. I mean, if a Nord married an Argonian, what would the (suddenly adult) kid look like?
Plus, the random generator would create some UGLY characters. Whatever kid you got would be so ugly you'd want to delete them immediately anyway, even if you bred characters of the same race.

Syldras

SydneyGrey wrote: »

Fun idea, but not sure how it would work. I mean, if a Nord married an Argonian, what would the (suddenly adult) kid look like?
Plus, the random generator would create some UGLY characters. Whatever kid you got would be so ugly you'd want to delete them immediately anyway, even if you bred characters of the same race.

Probably more or less like a Cardassian from Star Trek with light hair?
https://wiki.starbase118.net/wiki/images/thumb/4/41/Cardassian.jpg/250px-Cardassian.jpg
Also, there have to be ugly people on Nirn... Or are they staying inside all day so no one sees them?

MaleAmazon

Mating and Race/Class combining

[snip]

WTF ZOS u made sorcs OP again!!!!

As for the original post:

This would be very interesting. In a very different game.

That said, like I have stated before, I would like choice in passive skills, like in Diablo 3. In essence, at the moment ESO has only one racial passive for each race, since everyone puts all skillpoints in the racial passives anyways and most everyone is lvl50 if they play content where those passives have any real impact.

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Raisin

Iluvrien wrote: »

Raisin wrote: »

Kittytravel wrote: »

Vevvev wrote: »

https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/Notes_on_Racial_Phylogeny

I always hated that book cause it implied there were almost no interracial Khajiit/Orc/Argonian/Wood Elf couplings as if lesbians and gays didn't exist in Elder Scrolls and gave a crap.

Look at Fennorian. He's pretty gay. Or extremely British but probably gay.

Could you highlight which part of the book implies that? All I see is discussion strictly about offspring and mating, nothing in regards to the frequency of any potential interracial couples. Do you mean the part about cultural bias regarding Orcs?

The suggestions on interfertility.. and the lack of evidence of any offspring from parings of specific races.

I... don't understand. How does "it's possible orcs cannot produce offspring with other races and we haven't seen any proof" = "there aren't a lot of gay interracial couples" ???

Syldras

Raisin wrote: »

I... don't understand. How does "it's possible orcs cannot produce offspring with other races and we haven't seen any proof" = "there aren't a lot of gay interracial couples" ???

I don't understand either. Also, the book represents the subjective view of the person(s) who wrote it, or the state or research back then (whenever the book is supposed to have been written). There is a case of a mixed race orc in Oblivion, the Grey Prince, who was half Imperial (and his father was also a vampire, but that's a different story), but that person obviously was unknown to the writer of the book.

Iluvrien

Raisin wrote: »

Iluvrien wrote: »

Raisin wrote: »

Kittytravel wrote: »

Vevvev wrote: »

https://elderscrolls.fandom.com/wiki/Notes_on_Racial_Phylogeny

I always hated that book cause it implied there were almost no interracial Khajiit/Orc/Argonian/Wood Elf couplings as if lesbians and gays didn't exist in Elder Scrolls and gave a crap.

Look at Fennorian. He's pretty gay. Or extremely British but probably gay.

Could you highlight which part of the book implies that? All I see is discussion strictly about offspring and mating, nothing in regards to the frequency of any potential interracial couples. Do you mean the part about cultural bias regarding Orcs?

The suggestions on interfertility.. and the lack of evidence of any offspring from parings of specific races.

I... don't understand. How does "it's possible orcs cannot produce offspring with other races and we haven't seen any proof" = "there aren't a lot of gay interracial couples" ???

Sorry, that was absolutely on me. It was a mis-quote.

I was trying to refer to your previous post rather than the one I actually quoted. The passage I was trying to post my comment in response to was this one:

Raisin wrote: »

Will say that technically OP is suggesting only racial passives are mixed, rather tham a complete hybrid race. This is in fact supported both by the existence of Bretons, as well as "Notes on Racial Phylogeny" itself: Generally the offspring bear the racial traits of the mother, though some traces of the father's race may also be present.

By which I was pointing out that some pairings have not even been confirmed to produce offspring at all. This would seem to be a significant stumbling block in the OP's suggestion.

Again. Sorry for the mis-quote and the confusion it caused.