Stone Giant and Lava Whip switch?

ArcVelarian

Should MagDKs instead get Stone Giant (as a magicka ability of course) and StamDKs instead get a Stamina Morph of Lava Whip (that deals physical/poison damage)?

Vevvev

Yes

I miss my old stone giant skill. Could be weaved into a rotation due to its good damage if you stunned the target, had a range of 28 meters, and gave minor resolve. People wanted a stamina version of the whip anyway to play off the ardent flame passives, not a stone throwing skill.

El_Borracho

No

I reluctantly voted no on this, not to be a downer, but more because I don't want Stam DK and Mag DK to become mirror images of each other. The class already shares a lot of skills already, including the whip. But making rock throwing magic would be one too many for me. And I'm not a lore guy or anything close, but there needs to be some identity between the two.

WrathOfInnos

It makes sense for range vs melee, but from a group debuff perspective Engulfing Flames and Stagger are 2 of the strongest, and they should remain split between the 2 builds, not both become magDK abilities.

Guyle

No

I also voted no reluctantly, because StamDK already suffers difficulty coping with ranged fights. Having a decent class ability that is ranged is nice - though I really wish they would fix it and finally figure out what Stone Giant actually wants to be.

tsaescishoeshiner

No

Both morphs of whip are currently different and offer cool options for MagDK. There should be a way to have a Stam spammable without removing options for MagDK. Maybe rework Stone Giant yet again?

Kadoin

No

I really don't understand the obsession with a poison whip, then again I use a hybrid DK...

All it will do is get heavily nerfed after one patch when ZOS realizes that having it scale similar to a mag whip will be too powerful because stam and mag scale in damage differently, and whatever secondary effect they choose would be a broken addition to stam DK, making the skill a worthless visual change in the end that no one will use besides RPers.

TheRealPotoroo

No

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

Both morphs of whip are currently different and offer cool options for MagDK. There should be a way to have a Stam spammable without removing options for MagDK. Maybe rework Stone Giant yet again?

Just put it back the way it was. It used to be functional.

Hamish999

As a stam DK DD main, Stone Giant just sucks huge hairy donkey balls. Give us something that isn't clunky and horrible as a spammable please.

Pterion87

Yes

A stamina dragon knight throwing rocks? Rocks? Really? That skill must have been redesigned long ago. There is no point in throwing rocks with a class like dragon knight. Why not another kind of breath? Or something else related to class, but rocks?

Thechuckage

Yes

Stone giant is just damn awkward in the rotation. With magDK, you can fire off 3 separate skills to get the big whip (or 3 off 1 skill) and it all flows better, not to mention you are applying multiple DoTs.

JasonWangTaiwan

Yes

Would love to see change stone giant to melee spamable like form obsidian axe in your hand and smash target with direct damage, with next cast that throw spinning axe that deal aoe damage and knock down for every n sec
And for Obsidian Shard changed to skill like throwing lava spear to your target deals flame damage and next cast apply
aoe heal for every n sec.

Currently cast time with stone giant make it really ineffective and helping hands should changed to passive like
high elf passive that restore highest offensive resources since they increase cost for most mag skill
limit usage for stam build.

colossalvoids

No

Stone giant should go.
And yes for a stamina whip.

TrinityBreaker

Yes

JasonWangTaiwan wrote: »

Would love to see change stone giant to melee spamable like form obsidian axe in your hand and smash target with direct damage, with next cast that throw spinning axe that deal aoe damage and knock down for every n sec
And for Obsidian Shard changed to skill like throwing lava spear to your target deals flame damage and next cast apply
aoe heal for every n sec.

Currently cast time with stone giant make it really ineffective and helping hands should changed to passive like
high elf passive that restore highest offensive resources since they increase cost for most mag skill
limit usage for stam build.

The lava spear and stone axe sounds really cool

JasonWangTaiwan

Yes

TrinityBreaker wrote: »

The lava spear and stone axe sounds really cool

Is possible for both stam and mag morphs since they can use existed animation like Malacath's Vengeance and Piercing Javelin.
(And personally I really wish I can throw spin axe like saber throw of darth vader in Star Wars)
Current animation for stone giant really lack feeling that its a damage skill(slow animation & clunky felling for rotation
and weaving) and it does underperform for a damage spamable.

For whip they already make morphs to damage or health sustain wise usage
and stam dk really need a decent class direct damage skill to pair with Corrosive Armor .

Onefrkncrzypope

Yes

They made this whimsical explanation of a skills story for stone fist but let's look behind the cover.

It started out as a ranged spammable

Ranged Stam spammables loose uptime on sets like selenes and passives like the dw ax bleed. Meaning that slotting stonefist was a dps loss. Tanks used it.

So ZoS decides to update this story with the aoe portion not to better the skill but to purposely make the skill clunky for tanks..... What sDks think the skill is too clunky... Whaaaaaa? Who knew that would happen. So crazy. So unpredictable.

The skill is a ranged spammable on the most melee class in the game. It was so melee they thought to add that weird distance passive. Btw one of the best QoL for tanking and bashing across the map.

It's a melee aoe with a longer channel than dawnbreaker(an ultimate that can stun or give 500 weapon damage) and then is a ranged skill.

Let's play writer .....

If you have problems in the act 3 you have problems in the act 1. The whole story is a mess. Remove the channel aoe reduce damage and make it a tank spammable again.

I'm tired of people QQing over the prospect of losing one of the two whips.... Sorcs has no spammable and every other class has one.

Pick the least used whip and change the hue to green make it do great PvE damage and meh PVP damage and move on... What aboutmdks that lost their backup whip choice and now only have one?

They can cry me a river and maybe they can float out of craglorn.

Miloscpolski

No

ArcVelarian wrote: »

Should MagDKs instead get Stone Giant (as a magicka ability of course) and StamDKs instead get a Stamina Morph of Lava Whip (that deals physical/poison damage)?

You will never get the whip bb

Scarkii

Yes

only reason i want stamwhip is because it makes more sense on a stamdk, earth is a tank/healer thing shouldnt be apart of a stamdk identity, even if they literally made the skill just do poison damage it'd be great

eKsDee

Honestly, if it were up to me, I'd just drop the entire poison theme of stamDK in general and make it a physical/bleed theme with stamina-scaling flame damage (maybe ash?) on the side.

Rework Venomous Claw to function as a spammable with a separate non-refreshing bleed DoT. Rework Noxious Breath to breathe a thick cloud of ash and dimly lit embers that still applies Major Fracture, but replaces the poison DoT with a stamina-scaling flame/ash DoT.

Poison DK never made much sense to me, I feel like it'd suit stamDK better to head towards the more physically visceral aspect of a dragon, while magDK doubles down on the fire aspect of a dragon. It'd also give stamDK a separate identity to magDK, unlike stam whip.

Oh, and there's the whole Targaryen "Fire and Blood" thing, totally not influencing my opinion.

eKsDee

Kadoin wrote: »

I really don't understand the obsession with a poison whip, then again I use a hybrid DK...

All it will do is get heavily nerfed after one patch when ZOS realizes that having it scale similar to a mag whip will be too powerful because stam and mag scale in damage differently, and whatever secondary effect they choose would be a broken addition to stam DK, making the skill a worthless visual change in the end that no one will use besides RPers.

They are able to make it scale differently, since it's a different morph. I wouldn't like to see a stam whip since I feel it's a bit too bland, but they absolutely can make different morphs scale differently. I mean, Puncturing Sweeps vs Biting Jabs...

eKsDee

I'm tired of people QQing over the prospect of losing one of the two whips.... Sorcs has no spammable and every other class has one.

Pick the least used whip and change the hue to green make it do great PvE damage and meh PVP damage and move on... What aboutmdks that lost their backup whip choice and now only have one?

The problem is, both whips are bad. Molten Whip tries to force magDK to play a way it's just not designed to be played in, while Flame Lash has kinda just succumbed to power creep and nerfing over the years, forcing you back to Molten Whip if you want any kind of damage that's not just a proc set build with a side of DK.

Until they rework Flame Lash to actually be a solid morph, I don't want to see either morph be replaced, because I know the morph that will be replaced is going to be Flame Lash, which will pretty much kill magDK's identity for good. Rework Flame Lash, and you can do whatever you want with Molten Whip.

Kadoin

No

eKsDee wrote: »

Kadoin wrote: »

I really don't understand the obsession with a poison whip, then again I use a hybrid DK...

All it will do is get heavily nerfed after one patch when ZOS realizes that having it scale similar to a mag whip will be too powerful because stam and mag scale in damage differently, and whatever secondary effect they choose would be a broken addition to stam DK, making the skill a worthless visual change in the end that no one will use besides RPers.

They are able to make it scale differently, since it's a different morph. I wouldn't like to see a stam whip since I feel it's a bit too bland, but they absolutely can make different morphs scale differently. I mean, Puncturing Sweeps vs Biting Jabs...

Yes, but no one has an idea of what a good baseline is because of so much gear variation (and now proc sets). Mag is always limited in strength because of CP distribution, skill cost, and requirement to also get stam in builds, but that's not the same case for stam. The second problem is finding a secondary effect that wouldn't be OP on stam DK.

I literally cannot even think of one that wouldn't just make stam DK OP, but also my hybrid and tank DKs... If it's a good enough effect it would even be slotted on my mag DKs

Onefrkncrzypope

Yes

eKsDee wrote: »

I'm tired of people QQing over the prospect of losing one of the two whips.... Sorcs has no spammable and every other class has one.

Pick the least used whip and change the hue to green make it do great PvE damage and meh PVP damage and move on... What aboutmdks that lost their backup whip choice and now only have one?

The problem is, both whips are bad. Molten Whip tries to force magDK to play a way it's just not designed to be played in, while Flame Lash has kinda just succumbed to power creep and nerfing over the years, forcing you back to Molten Whip if you want any kind of damage that's not just a proc set build with a side of DK.

Until they rework Flame Lash to actually be a solid morph, I don't want to see either morph be replaced, because I know the morph that will be replaced is going to be Flame Lash, which will pretty much kill magDK's identity for good. Rework Flame Lash, and you can do whatever you want with Molten Whip.

Both whips are bad, horrible design, nerfy nerfs, I want both of them....

WrathOfInnos

Hamish999 wrote: »

As a stam DK DD main, Stone Giant just sucks huge hairy donkey balls. Give us something that isn't clunky and horrible as a spammable please.

At least Stone Giant only has a cast time on 1/4 uses. Mag Sorc’s new spammable gets the cast time on 3/4 uses. In both cases it’s very clunky because timing doesn’t work well with DoTs and it’s easy to lose track of whether it will be a slow cast or an instant one each time you hit the button. All spammables should be instant cast IMO, with maybe a few rare exceptions like Wrecking Blow.

Wyrd88

No

No. Just no.
I don't want them to touch MagDK after what they did to StamDK.

Just no.

volkeswagon

No

I use both on my stam

ArcVelarian

Yes

I'm actually a little surprised at the polling numbers here. People have been asking for a Stamina Whip for years now.

colossalvoids

No

ArcVelarian wrote: »

I'm actually a little surprised at the polling numbers here. People have been asking for a Stamina Whip for years now.

The thing is no one wants stone giant.

Wellsley

Yes

Need stam whip

Wellsley

Yes

Because stonefist are bad in pvp and kicking a few ass with stamwhip and finish them with werewolf would be awesome 👀

finehair

Yes

How come a literally whip skill doesn't have a stam morph that deals physical dmg i can not understand