Over 50 PVP Griefing - [snip]

EvenFlow12

I have been playing for a few months and hit 50 PVP. I have read many posts saying, no big deal, take your lumps and learn to play, gear up...etc...

But being griefed nearly every match by some geared up TWINK? Why would I invest money in a game that I basically can't even play PVP until "worthy" enough. I have only been put on teams with other under-geared players and constantly harassed and mocked. I listed the last person who did it in the title of this post.

And why would I "report" every player; report someone every game?

How about fixing the problem with PVP and actually take action against griefers?

I have never been mocked and harassed more than I have been in this game, which I have put a good amount of money into.



[Title edit for Naming and Shaming.]

AlnilamE

You want to edit your title. Naming and Shaming is not allowed as per the forum rules and your post will be deleted.

Also, I assume you are talking about battlegrounds?

EvenFlow12

Yes, BG.

I changed it, but maybe people should be shamed instead of the issue being ignored.

stybbe17b16_ESO

The scoring system in deathmatch battleground is to get as many kills as possible. So experienced players put their focus on easy targets to kill. If you put on a shield and just heal yourself he will prob leave you alone.

Qyrk

Either put them on ignore, or report them if they’re harassing or did something against TOS. PVP can be toxic with people flexing their peen. That’s their way; what matters is how you respond to it. Get a thicker skin, ignore them, get better if there’s room for improvement. The behaviour you mention is not just in ESO but in other games also, so what you do matters and is better for your well being. Don’t let people get through to your head - also a life lesson.

If you enjoy BG, just enjoy it, learn from it and get better if needed

MaleAmazon

I don´t think you know what the word "griefing" means.

Or Twink.

"50 PVP"? That doesn´t make enough sense for me to even be able to tell if you don´t know what it means.

If you mean gearing up sub-50 alts? Well, ok, I do that. So do others. The game allows this, it allows trading, and there is nothing in PvP that has ever been about only using gear you yourself crafted or acquired on the specific character.

You want to play BGs? They are super competitive for many people, and the non-competitive ones are mostly there to level up and then leave.

Get the best gear or be prepared to be stomped by players with better stats.

Dusk_Coven

EvenFlow12 wrote: »

I have never been mocked and harassed more than I have been in this game, which I have put a good amount of money into.

Because if you don't nothing will happen.

Of course the best thing to do if you actually like PvP is to go to a game with actual competitive PvP and active management. And leave this skid row behind.

EvenFlow12 wrote: »

Yes, BG.
I changed it, but maybe people should be shamed instead of the issue being ignored.

The problem is, if they allowed it, it would be exploited right away.
If you think about it, anyone posting about anyone else -- we are really expected to take their word for it when honestly they have zero credibility unless they post actual proof.
So right away if naming and shaming without "proof" (and we haven't even tried to define what constitutes sufficient proof yet) were allowed, people would use the system to try to manipulate others into shaming actually innocent people.

Tammany

PVP in this game is a meme, do not take it seriously

Girl_Number8

Report REAL harassment with the proper screenshots and videos of the incident. Send those to ZOS, so they can make an assessment of the situation.

Caveat, please do not do this if you are losing to someone in a video game who is better than you.

The use of twink is wrong in this case. You have only been playing a few months, so your expectations maybe unrealistic.

Have fun and gain more experience. Everyone starts somewhere.

Taleof2Cities

MaleAmazon wrote: »

I don´t think you know what the word "griefing" means.

Or Twink.

"50 PVP"? That doesn´t make enough sense for me to even be able to tell if you don´t know what it means.

If you mean gearing up sub-50 alts? Well, ok, I do that. So do others. The game allows this, it allows trading, and there is nothing in PvP that has ever been about only using gear you yourself crafted or acquired on the specific character.

You want to play BGs? They are super competitive for many people, and the non-competitive ones are mostly there to level up and then leave.

Get the best gear or be prepared to be stomped by players with better stats.

Huh?


I don't think you know what these terms mean either.

How is taking your skill knowledge, gear selection, and gameplay abilities against new players at all super competitive?

I'd call it steamrolling or twinking.

This is exactly the issue the OP is referring to ...

jaws343

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

MaleAmazon wrote: »

I don´t think you know what the word "griefing" means.

Or Twink.

"50 PVP"? That doesn´t make enough sense for me to even be able to tell if you don´t know what it means.

If you mean gearing up sub-50 alts? Well, ok, I do that. So do others. The game allows this, it allows trading, and there is nothing in PvP that has ever been about only using gear you yourself crafted or acquired on the specific character.

You want to play BGs? They are super competitive for many people, and the non-competitive ones are mostly there to level up and then leave.

Get the best gear or be prepared to be stomped by players with better stats.

Huh?


I don't think you know what these terms mean either.

How is taking your skill knowledge, gear selection, and gameplay abilities against new players at all super competitive?

I'd call it steamrolling or twinking.

This is exactly the issue the OP is referring to ...

The OP appears to be talking about over 50 pvp, which is the primary BG, not under-50. You can't be expected to lower your skill level against a new player to over 50 BG.

Bucky_13

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

MaleAmazon wrote: »

I don´t think you know what the word "griefing" means.

Or Twink.

"50 PVP"? That doesn´t make enough sense for me to even be able to tell if you don´t know what it means.

If you mean gearing up sub-50 alts? Well, ok, I do that. So do others. The game allows this, it allows trading, and there is nothing in PvP that has ever been about only using gear you yourself crafted or acquired on the specific character.

You want to play BGs? They are super competitive for many people, and the non-competitive ones are mostly there to level up and then leave.

Get the best gear or be prepared to be stomped by players with better stats.

Huh?


I don't think you know what these terms mean either.

How is taking your skill knowledge, gear selection, and gameplay abilities against new players at all super competitive?

I'd call it steamrolling or twinking.

This is exactly the issue the OP is referring to ...

Since OP refers to 50+, which only have one queue for everyone, it's not a twink. Twinks are played in sub 50 pvp where they usually do what you described.

ZOS_GregoryV

Greetings,

After review, we have decided to edit the title due to Naming and Shaming. Naming and Shaming is a violation of the rules and is stated as follows:

Naming-and-Shaming: We do not allow posts or threads that are created for the purpose of “naming-and-shaming” other community member(s). “Naming-and-shaming” is the act of creating a post to call out an individual or group by name, and making them the subject of public accusation, ridicule and/or shaming. Generally, naming-and-shaming involves an in-game situation and/or Terms of Service violation, which the ESO Community Team is unable to assist with. A certain amount of rivalry and competitive razzing is healthy for any game community, especially one with PVP elements, but naming-and-shaming goes well beyond that. It typically elevates to a point where the subject feels legitimately harassed. We believe that naming-and-shaming posts and threads can be abused and are very harmful to the community. We also don't feel that publicly calling out or accusing others by name on our forums is in spirit of the game or our community. If you genuinely believe someone has violated our Terms of Service, you should report them in-game via the support interface — do not bring the situation onto the official ESO community forums.

If there may be any questions in regards to the rules, please feel free to take a few moments to review them here.

With that being said, if there are troublesome players, please do report them to our support team. If you are on PC, please follow these instructions. If you are on console, please follow these here.

Thank you for your understaning,
-Greg-

Girl_Number8

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

MaleAmazon wrote: »

I don´t think you know what the word "griefing" means.

Or Twink.

"50 PVP"? That doesn´t make enough sense for me to even be able to tell if you don´t know what it means.

If you mean gearing up sub-50 alts? Well, ok, I do that. So do others. The game allows this, it allows trading, and there is nothing in PvP that has ever been about only using gear you yourself crafted or acquired on the specific character.

You want to play BGs? They are super competitive for many people, and the non-competitive ones are mostly there to level up and then leave.

Get the best gear or be prepared to be stomped by players with better stats.

Huh?


I don't think you know what these terms mean either.

How is taking your skill knowledge, gear selection, and gameplay abilities against new players at all super competitive?

I'd call it steamrolling or twinking.

This is exactly the issue the OP is referring to ...

You are mistaken. In ESO it usually refers to a golded out vet farming noobs in below 50 PvP. That has been pretty much the excepted term of a Twink in this game.

This player is playing against vet players by their own choice. Losing in a game is not being harassed.

I apologize to the OP if other things are going on, as I do not want to assume anything. If they are, please do report those players.

Env_t

@EvenFlow12 L2P casual
its not griefing or against TOS

but if you will report such players you will be banned instead, Zenimax dont like fake reports

EvenFlow12

So I am only complaining because I am losing to good players? Whatever.

I have lost to plenty of good players in under 50 PVP and totally fine with losing.

But doing the squat thing on my face repeatedly isn't exactly being remotely acceptable.

And why would I make it up? Whatever, some of you are twisting my words into a lie. I LIKE THE GAME. I HAVE LOST PLENTY. I have been trolleld ok and the people here who say "get better" have been playing long enough and don't care about new players

EvenFlow12

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

MaleAmazon wrote: »

I don´t think you know what the word "griefing" means.

Or Twink.

"50 PVP"? That doesn´t make enough sense for me to even be able to tell if you don´t know what it means.

If you mean gearing up sub-50 alts? Well, ok, I do that. So do others. The game allows this, it allows trading, and there is nothing in PvP that has ever been about only using gear you yourself crafted or acquired on the specific character.

You want to play BGs? They are super competitive for many people, and the non-competitive ones are mostly there to level up and then leave.

Get the best gear or be prepared to be stomped by players with better stats.

Huh?


I don't think you know what these terms mean either.

How is taking your skill knowledge, gear selection, and gameplay abilities against new players at all super competitive?

I'd call it steamrolling or twinking.

This is exactly the issue the OP is referring to ...

You are mistaken. In ESO it usually refers to a golded out vet farming noobs in below 50 PvP. That has been pretty much the excepted term of a Twink in this game.

This player is playing against vet players by their own choice. Losing in a game is not being harassed.

I apologize to the OP if other things are going on, as I do not want to assume anything. If they are, please do report those players.

You totally made up what i said. I never said losing to you with God like ability is the problem.

How about looking at the *** in the game and making statements to them. And if I am making it up, maybe watch what other new players go through.

EvenFlow12

Env_t wrote: »

@EvenFlow12 L2P casual
its not griefing or against TOS

but if you will report such players you will be banned instead, Zenimax dont like fake reports

What? Again, another God player telling me how I was treated in a battleground. I just love to make up claims of you great PVPers who squat on my face every time you kill me.

I was just fine before Level 50 PVP

dinokstrunz

bruh I get teabagged all the time it's just part and take of a pvp environment, just deal with it, jeez people cry about the most trivial things these days lol.

Girl_Number8

EvenFlow12 wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

MaleAmazon wrote: »

I don´t think you know what the word "griefing" means.

Or Twink.

"50 PVP"? That doesn´t make enough sense for me to even be able to tell if you don´t know what it means.

If you mean gearing up sub-50 alts? Well, ok, I do that. So do others. The game allows this, it allows trading, and there is nothing in PvP that has ever been about only using gear you yourself crafted or acquired on the specific character.

You want to play BGs? They are super competitive for many people, and the non-competitive ones are mostly there to level up and then leave.

Get the best gear or be prepared to be stomped by players with better stats.

Huh?


I don't think you know what these terms mean either.

How is taking your skill knowledge, gear selection, and gameplay abilities against new players at all super competitive?

I'd call it steamrolling or twinking.

This is exactly the issue the OP is referring to ...

You are mistaken. In ESO it usually refers to a golded out vet farming noobs in below 50 PvP. That has been pretty much the excepted term of a Twink in this game.

This player is playing against vet players by their own choice. Losing in a game is not being harassed.

I apologize to the OP if other things are going on, as I do not want to assume anything. If they are, please do report those players.

You totally made up what i said. I never said losing to you with God like ability is the problem.

How about looking at the *** in the game and making statements to them. And if I am making it up, maybe watch what other new players go through.

Please read everything I wrote and do not resort to non-constructive remarks and foul language.

This is a place for conversations.

I did read the OP but you never went into how you were being harassed. You said you were a new player and they were twinks. They are not twinks if you’re not in under 50 PvP.

Perhaps add more to your OP, so people can help you more properly.

Bucky_13

EvenFlow12 wrote: »

So I am only complaining because I am losing to good players? Whatever.

I have lost to plenty of good players in under 50 PVP and totally fine with losing.

But doing the squat thing on my face repeatedly isn't exactly being remotely acceptable.

And why would I make it up? Whatever, some of you are twisting my words into a lie. I LIKE THE GAME. I HAVE LOST PLENTY. I have been trolleld ok and the people here who say "get better" have been playing long enough and don't care about new players

I'm pretty sure other players tbag me in PvP as well, I just don't pay attention to it and don't care at all if they do. In fact I hope they do as it means they waste time squatting on my corpse instead of doing something useful against my team or faction.

That's also the main reason I never tbag players, when they dead they are irrelevant unless someone is trying to ress them. Not being a jerk too, sure, but that's not my main reason for avoiding doing it.

VaranisArano

Level 50 Battlegrounds includes everyone from brand new players who just hit level 50 to experienced vets with maxed CP 160 gear. That's intended by ZOS. You can complain about player behavior, but experienced players are to be expected.

If that bothers you, wait until CP 160 when you can get your max tier gear...and then when you still get beaten black and blue by experienced players, you'll learn what I did: gear helps, but true success in PVP comes from practice, practice, practice. Good luck!

Girl_Number8

EvenFlow12 wrote: »

So I am only complaining because I am losing to good players? Whatever.

I have lost to plenty of good players in under 50 PVP and totally fine with losing.

But doing the squat thing on my face repeatedly isn't exactly being remotely acceptable.

And why would I make it up? Whatever, some of you are twisting my words into a lie. I LIKE THE GAME. I HAVE LOST PLENTY. I have been trolleld ok and the people here who say "get better" have been playing long enough and don't care about new players

Ah, you were clam dipped and teabagged after your character died.

Unfortunately that is in most PvP games. I do not know ZOS stance on this, meaning if it is a violation of TOS or not.

It is a immature thing to do and I understand how it can upset newer players.

But it is something that just has always been there for years.

MaleAmazon

How is taking your skill knowledge, gear selection, and gameplay abilities against new players at all super competitive?

I'd call it steamrolling or twinking.

This is exactly the issue the OP is referring to ...

Griefing = deliberately annoying other players.

Twinking = Giving unattainable or super gear to alts.

I mean, I guess you could call giving alts gear (which I and others do) twinking. It is so completely ubiquitous that I don´t consider it that, though. There is no "newbie" PvP. There is sub-50 PvP. The game allows and even encourages alts, and allows banking gear for use on your alts, the creation of a 'crafter' character, etc.

I would be all for actual newbie PvP.

But the fact is this game doesn´t have it. It has MMR I think, which should perhaps accomplish the same thing. In theory.

The OP appears to describe lvl50 PvP, in which case twinking doesn´t really exist, per definition.

Like I said: PvP in this game is very competitive for the people who PvP, and then you have others who go in to get a certain skill *cough vigor cough*, and suck it up because they don´t actually want to PvP. And then they leave.

The OP´s problem seems to be that you can´t have a pleasurable experience in PvP if you don´t have good gear. Which is pretty much true. This is not the fault of the players, though, but the fault of the design of the ESO PvP and how it doesn´t separate players by power.

Qyrk

EvenFlow12 wrote: »

So I am only complaining because I am losing to good players? Whatever.

I have lost to plenty of good players in under 50 PVP and totally fine with losing.

But doing the squat thing on my face repeatedly isn't exactly being remotely acceptable.

And why would I make it up? Whatever, some of you are twisting my words into a lie. I LIKE THE GAME. I HAVE LOST PLENTY. I have been trolleld ok and the people here who say "get better" have been playing long enough and don't care about new players

You got tbagged. Solution: don’t get your feelings hurt. This happens often and not just in ESO.

idk

Considering this is over lvl 50 PvP no one is a twink as everyone is over Lvl 50.

I suggest finding a decent PvP guild. They should be a great source of information to help figure out how to overcome the player's one is meeting. There is a great ammount of variability with both the character build and how one approaches the situation. Much more than simplistic games like WoW and FF14 have. In the end, it really does make a huge difference.

EvenFlow12

I know this sounds like complaining because I lost; it is not. I don't get upset to losing to good player/ better geared / experienced players. LIke I said, it happened a lot in under 50 BG. I also beat other players and never though, "Oh, let me squat on their face 10 times"

I also have a brain and realize if I can 2-3 shot someone, they are probably under-geared or do not know what they are doing, so big deal I can kill them.

But this has happened a lot in over 50 PVP by different players. Am I venting too much or not being "thick skinned" ? Sure, but it is annoying when it happens over and over.

Fur_like_snow

Is this suppose to be sub 50? Because if not than you can’t call CP 160 players “twinks”. Sounds like you need to work on your build OP and try again.

Guyle

I mean considering ZOS made a tea bag emote, obviously it's not the same as actual t-bagging ppl - but I don't think anyone was confused on where they were going with it - I am fairly certain this is a lost argument on behalf of saying players are harassing you by bagging you. I understand that it may feel to you like they are trying to humiliate you, but some players do it in good fun, and some just do it without thinking. Hell, when I was still a vAS newb and got a friend killed cuz I was out of my lane, I bagged him lol. I've been outnumbered 10 to one before and been bagged afterwards. Granted of course there are people who do it to be rude and get a rise out of you too, but the way you take it is your choice. It's just kind of a part of gaming.

exeeter702

EvenFlow12 wrote: »

So I am only complaining because I am losing to good players? Whatever.

I have lost to plenty of good players in under 50 PVP and totally fine with losing.

But doing the squat thing on my face repeatedly isn't exactly being remotely acceptable.

And why would I make it up? Whatever, some of you are twisting my words into a lie. I LIKE THE GAME. I HAVE LOST PLENTY. I have been trolleld ok and the people here who say "get better" have been playing long enough and don't care about new players

So you got tea bagged in an online pvp video game. These things happen man, you cant possibly take that as griefing or harrassment. It's just harmless trash talking without words.

As far as twinks go, unfortunately you are talking about 50+ bgs, and at that point there really is no such thing as a twink. The only issue therein is that in bgs, players not yet at 160cp who dont have proper gear setups / builds are going to struggle until they hit 160 and get themselves a nice modest starting setup, which admittedly, doesnt take long at all.

Now just to be clear here, if someone is literally harassing via mail or in game chat then that needs to be reported privately to zos to be taken care of. But there is no griefing going on when you are getting focused on in bgs because you are a vulnerable target and getting tea bagged.

Dusk_Coven

MaleAmazon wrote: »

This is not the fault of the players, though, but the fault of the design of the ESO PvP and how it doesn´t separate players by power.

For starters they could give every newly rolled character the highest MMR achieved by the account's lifetime, then let the rating adjust organically over matches. That way people who use hand-me-down gear and cash-shop-unlocked skill lines don't repeatedly start at zero playing with actual newbies.
(However if that actually worked, cash shop revenue would probably decline so I wouldn't put it past ZOS to never do this.)

They should also have proper leagues and don't let people match outside of their leagues. But that's probably too much coding for ZOS to handle when they can't even group finder properly.