Elusive Mist Should Give Major and Minor Expedition

Vevvev

Elusive mist isn't very elusive to be honest. Can't really use it to get away since all a person would have to do is give themselves Major Expedition and now they can outrun you and continue dealing damage to you. Giving the mistform Major and Minor Expedition would at least allow this form to outrun someone with no speed buffs and sprinting after you on foot.

susmitds

It is not supposed to be a get out of jail card. Elusive Mist is the last vampire skill that needs any buff.

Vevvev

Reason why I say this is because it gets outclassed by things like Race Against Time which can serve as a much better escape tool. Then again I can see where you're coming from where it also negates 75% of damage and gives CC immunity. Sadly anybody can outrun it right now which is why I though adding Minor Expedition would help. Still can't outrun someone using Major Expedition + Sprint but it would add just a little bit of enough speed to make it slightly better than sprinting.

Chilly-McFreeze

Vevvev wrote: »

Still can't outrun someone using Major Expedition + Sprint but it would add just a little bit of enough speed to make it slightly better than sprinting.

Welp, then it wouldnt Even Make a difference.

Vevvev

Not a major one at least, which is why I suggested the idea, but if you all say this is a bad idea then I won't argue it.

Mortiis13

It's more for repositioning or an alternative burst "block" when an escape tool I think.

Kadoin

You think elusive mist needs a buff because you claim that all someone has to do is use major expedition?

Really? I don't even run major expedition in PvP.

Running major expedition is a build choice that players that use it have to sacrifice a slot for or potion. Same thing you did when you slotted elusive mist, so why should elusive mist outclass any other skill slot that provides speed as a secondary buff?

SshadowSscale

Kadoin wrote: »

You think elusive mist needs a buff because you claim that all someone has to do is use major expedition?

Really? I don't even run major expedition in PvP.

Running major expedition is a build choice that players that use it have to sacrifice a slot for or potion. Same thing you did when you slotted elusive mist, so why should elusive mist outclass any other skill slot that provides speed as a secondary buff?

You can get major expedition as a passive.... That is if you use a bow on one of your bars....

Kadoin

SshadowSscale wrote: »

Kadoin wrote: »

You think elusive mist needs a buff because you claim that all someone has to do is use major expedition?

Really? I don't even run major expedition in PvP.

Running major expedition is a build choice that players that use it have to sacrifice a slot for or potion. Same thing you did when you slotted elusive mist, so why should elusive mist outclass any other skill slot that provides speed as a secondary buff?

You can get major expedition as a passive.... That is if you use a bow on one of your bars....

Again, build choice, so it's fair I'd say slotting a weapon like resto stave or bow just to get one skill or passive is a bigger investment than slotting a skill, but maybe that is just me.

SlimeBro1

susmitds wrote: »

It is not supposed to be a get out of jail card. Elusive Mist is the last vampire skill that needs any buff.

It used to give a 70% movespeed increase.

And what is the point of a morph that is literally for movement if it isn't faster than sprinting? The ability does nothing else that the base version doesn't.

SlimeBro1

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

Vevvev wrote: »

Still can't outrun someone using Major Expedition + Sprint but it would add just a little bit of enough speed to make it slightly better than sprinting.

Welp, then it wouldnt Even Make a difference.

Would make a difference. Elusive Mist's entire purpose is to provide speed and a get away. If it can't go faster than sprinting, what is the point?

At least with minor expedition added on it'd make a difference.

SlimeBro1

Mortiis13 wrote: »

It's more for repositioning or an alternative burst "block" when an escape tool I think.

Then why give it a morph focused just on speed, then?

It used to give 70% move speed and WAS designed and meant to be an escape tool back in the day.

idk

Vevvev wrote: »

Still can't outrun someone using Major Expedition + Sprint but it would add just a little bit of enough speed to make it slightly better than sprinting.

Elusive mist also provides immunity to all disabling and immobilization effects. Sprint and, afaik, no other source of major expedition provide such immunity.

buttaface

New Mist is perfect as is. No need for any changes whatsoever.

SlimeBro1

buttaface wrote: »

New Mist is perfect as is. No need for any changes whatsoever.

No it isn't.

Also funny, they didn't change a thing about mist form except for the toggle cost.

EXPLAIN: What do you lose by elusive mist being made slightly better? Aside from a hit to your very fragile ego.

Vevvev

Been thinking for a bit and maybe they could just put Minor Expedition on the base Mistform morph? That way Blood Mist gets it to?

YandereGirlfriend

I would like this change as the morph is highly underwhelming indeed.

I have several vampire characters and I have dropped the new Mist for RAT on every single one of them. It is simply the superior skill.

Mist has an additional drawback of being singularly unreliable and is prone to randomly de-misting you during combat, usually to imminent demise.

Nowadays, I am RAT'ing around freely, able to stack Sprint and Major Expedition for much greater mobility and enjoying my Minor Force and snare immunity.

The only real use for Mist is entering a red-hot keep in Cyrdoiil. In every other scenario, RAT has it beat. And that is simply far too niche to justify a slot on my bars.

Algorax

Vevvev wrote: »

Elusive mist isn't very elusive to be honest. Can't really use it to get away since all a person would have to do is give themselves Major Expedition and now they can outrun you and continue dealing damage to you. Giving the mistform Major and Minor Expedition would at least allow this form to outrun someone with no speed buffs and sprinting after you on foot.

I'd trade the current mist form with a version that has a limited duration and actually turns you into something untargetable as logic would suggest.

Firstmep

You can get extra speed from other sources like swift jewelery, wild hunt ring, marauders set, steed mundus etc.
All mist needs is bug fixes, since it can fail to activate far too often.