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Chargeback Crown Scam
MrBrownstone
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Is it possible? I usually buy crowns from random people I find on zone chat, but I always get the gift first so getting scammed is not a possibility.
Or is it? Can someone send me the gift but then do some kind of chargeback with their credit card, resulting in a revoke of the item I was gifted?
Or is it? Can someone send me the gift but then do some kind of chargeback with their credit card, resulting in a revoke of the item I was gifted?
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NavalOffisah✭✭✭No, I don't think the chargeback would impact your items in any way. It would ban the user who initiated the chargeback11 -
ChimpyChumpy✭✭✭Is giving crowns before getting gold first really how these things work? Seems crazy that gold is prioritized over real money . . .6
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✭✭MrBrownstone wrote: »I like how 75% of the replies has nothing to do with my question
Welcome to ESO forums 😂11 -
mimisapje✭✭✭I suppose they can submit a ticket to ask for some kind of refund. But a gift is a gift. Unless they have proof that you hacked in their account to send the gift, I don't think ZOS would revoke the gifted item.
Don't think they can get a refund from their credit card. There is a clause on the crown store page that the transactions are non-refundable.PC EU
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✭✭✭✭✭Legally buying crowns is paying for permission to access an additional part of the service which is ESO, specifically a given amount of crown store items. Once you buy crowns the real-world transaction is done and what you do with those crowns is entirely separate and only between you and ZOS.
So if someone contacts their bank to get a charge back they would only worry about getting the money back from ZOS, they wouldn't necessarily know or care exactly what was bought with it and certainly not what virtual items they bought with the virtual currency. And ZOS will only care that the user made a voluntary transaction and then initiated a false charge-back and will ban their account (since they're effectively scamming ZOS by getting something without paying for it). I suppose they could also remove the gifted item, but it seems unlikely they would worry about it since there's no benefit to them in doing it.PC EU player | She/her/hers | PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
"Remember in this game we call life that no one said it's fair"3 -
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✭✭I've never seen or heard anyone getting their crowns removed from the fraudulent activity of some other player.
I don't think they even remove gold from crown scammers who take the money and run. They just refund the gold and ban the offending player (if that).0 -
SolidusPrime✭✭✭✭Concerning crown selling:
What's to stop either party from cutting and running once they get the first mail? I've never messed with selling crowns and was just curious. Is there no middle man involved at all? Is it completely trust-based?0 -
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✭ChimpyChumpy wrote: »Is giving crowns before getting gold first really how these things work? Seems crazy that gold is prioritized over real money . . .
Yep I'm not giving gold first as I can open trade, show them the Gold. Cancel. Get Gift... then Trade again and give the Gold. Too much ways for people to say they will gift me an item and don't especially when you have many free/dummy accounts on console. Once you own a game disc you can create multiple PSN's and switch between them using the same disc.
If they don't want to Gift first, it's OK. I will take my gold to the next seller.Edited by Kalik_Gold on July 16, 2020 2:37PMMain: (PvP & PvE)PS5/NA - Ras Kalik a Redguard Templar - Daggerfall Covenant • 1550+ Champion
Ras Kalik a Redguard Templar, the Vestige
PvP:
Aurik Siet'ka a Redguard Necromancer
Cacique the Sage of Ius a Redguard Warden
Jux Blackheart a Redguard Nightblade
Goliath of Hammerfell a Redguard Dragonknight
Kaotik Von Dae'mon a Redguard* Sorcerer
PvP: (Specialty)
Tyrus Septim an Imperial Lycan Sorcerer
Tsar af-Bomba a Redguard Vampiric Nightblade
Movárth Piquine a Nord Vampiric Necromancer
Uri Ice-Heart the Twin a Nord Vampiric Warden
PvE:
Cinan Tharn an Imperial Dragonknight
Bates Vesuius of Dawnstar an Imperial Dragonknight
Herzog Zwei the Genesis an Akavari* Templar
Tav'i at-Shinji a Redguard** Warden
Lucky Hunch the Gambler - a Redguard Nightblade
Leveling...
Zenovia at-Tura a Redguard** Sorcerer
Yesi af-Kalik a Redguard Templar
Voa a Priest of Sep a Redguard* Necromancer
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Passives of another race used. (RP)
*Breton
**Imperial
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Ras Kalik the Vestige, a renown Redguard warrior; He has been blessed to save Tamriel from Molag Bal’s destructive Planemeld while reuniting the Five Companions. His further accomplishments after defeating Molag Bal, has been to stop the destruction of Morrowind, the Clockwork City, return order to the isle of Summerset and create a new king in Wrothgar and a queen in Elsywer. These events have made him a living legend and continue to lead him into new adventures throughout Tamriel, as well as into the hearts of many ladies including the Elf Queen, Aryenn. Over many years of adventurous travels, Ras Kalik had become a loner, until he re-visited his homeland of Alik'r.
Alik'r and it's cities were overrun by the undead Ra-Netu and therefore he made an allegiance with Alik'r's own Ash'abah tribe. These Ash'abah with his help, cleansed the city of Sentinel in Alik'r desert and it's surrounding areas of the undead brought to life by the Withered Hand. After rescuing Sentinel from the undead zombies, King Fahara’jad’s personal bodyguard the Goliath of Hammerfell, who was given this name by Imperials in the region; was asked to assist the tribe after learning of the defeat of the Withered Hand to the Ash'abah. Kalik promised Goliath he would task him with fighting living enemies on the battlefield if he so desired. Goliath being a Yokudan warrior wields a massive sword in respect to the Ansei, a gift given by the Imperial, Cinan Tharn. Not many soldiers are able to wield double two handed weapons, but Goliath loves to get up and personal in a fight, so he also carries a giant maul, both weapons laced with magical flames.
Jux Blackheart is a master thief that masquerades as a Bard at the Sisters of the Sands inn, with his younger sidekick Lucky Hunch for pilfering and gambling during this time. Jux was known to infiltrate any towns bank vault he came across and even delved into Ayelid ruins without detection. Kalik can vividly recall the night he met the famed thief. Jux found himself rummaging thru a slightly inebriated Kalik’s pocket for too long, on a full-mooned night and because of his greed and the glimmer of his golden armor in the moonlight. He lost his left pinky fingertip as a lesson! But in return, he gained a new friend, as it was his first time since a child being caught red-handed...
Upon arrival back in the Alik'r after many moons of adventuring, Ras Kalik ventures to Bergama. Visiting The Winking Jackal, he runs into Jux Blackheart, who introduces him to the coin game Crowns vs Forebearers (Heads vs Tails) and Golden Dwemer (RBG).... Jux constantly takes gold from the unfortunate thru theft or gambling, his biggest gambling victim is actually his partner in crime known as Lucky Hunch the Gambler. Lucky doesn't mind losing any gold coins to Jux... as Jux saved him from Altmer slavers in Summerset, by stealing a key and sending him on a boat to the mainland years prior. Lucky spent years in slavery with Khajiits in Summerset and picked up the art of subterfuge, using illusion magic disguises and stealing there.
Kaotik Von’Daemon an outcast, and a half-caste between a Breton mother and a Redguard father. Kaotik become a pariah due to his conjuration of Daedra pets. He was taught healing magic during his childhood years by his Breton mother. His father due to Redguard customs exiled him from the desert, sending him by wagon caravan to be a soldier in the war in Cyrodiil. He happened to meet Kalik while traveling from Alik'r, during this long caravan ride the caravan he was in was ambushed in Bangkorai by a group of bandits. Kalik by chance was also traveling thru this area on his Auridon Warhorse (which was bestowed to him by his friend, Darien Gautier). During this ambush, Kalik was able to rescue five hostages from the bandits. Kaotik was the first rescued, and Ras Kalik also recruited him to be in the Ash'abah tribe. These core Ash'abah tribesmen may never be seen together in travel as they partake in their own adventures but they always know what each other is doing; as they frequent a hideout in northern Bankorai. Their hideout an old Orc castle ruin, is kept watch by Nuzhimeh and she passes messages written between them, and frequently they also enjoy her company and her bed.
The other men rescued were a Dunmer banker, an Imperial mercenary and two other soldiers, an Imperial and a Breton Knight, stating proudly he was an Akavir descendent. One of the Imperials, Cinan, claimed to be related to Abnur Tharn the Battlemage of the Imperial Elder Council (One of Ras Kalik's mentors in the Five Companions). Cinan Tharn was really Abnur's drunkard treasure hunting illegitimate son. He was caught smuggling artifacts out of the Ayleid ruins in Cyrodiil and the elder of the two Imperials was Tyrus Septim a retired Imperial navy battle-mage (now a Lycan mercenary living in the city of Rimmen) and guard to the Tharn family. As much as Abnur Tharn hated his half-sister Euraxia, he dislikes his bas†ard son Cinan more. Tyrus now a ruffian and privateer had been paid by Abnur Tharn to watch over Cinan as much as possible. Cinan Tharn a drunkard, loves to drink at least a quarter barrel of Nord mead before he raids various delves and dungeons for relics to sell on the black market. Cinan also plans to one day, run an illegal gambling ring... which he thinks will net him more gold for his wares.
The Dunmer captive shackled to the Imperials looked familiar to Kalik from his time in Morrowind.... and he recognized him as Tythis Andromo a House Telvanni slave-owner and banker from Vvardenfell. During a rough interrogation to Tythis, Ras Kalik learnt why the bandits accosted him. The racist Dunmer was providing slaves as soldiers for the Three Banner War. The bandits were trying to negotiate a lucrative ransom for Andromo and the Imperials.... Kalik did not need any of this gold and he could never set Tythis free as he did with the two Imperial soldiers. His past involvement with slavery and war crimes, made Kalik's blood boil. He chose not to execute Tythis, as he figured the worse punishment for this former rich and opulent slave owner, is to now be an imprisoned servant for Ras Kalik and the tribe.
Herzog Zwei the Genesis a reknown Imperial/Akavirri battle-mage. His roots going back to Akavir through his mother’s bloodline. (His mother is descended from the Akaviri, through Versidue-Shae, and his Imperial father met her in Hakoshae, while traveling) Herzog earned the nickname "the Genesis" from his father as a child, as he was his mother's first born child, and last, as she tragically died in child-birth.
Herzog was seeking to purchase an artifact from Cinan Tharn, before their capture and was meeting Tyrus while in Rimmen, who introduced him to Cinan. This artifact being the Ayelid artifact; the sword Sinweaver. After their rescue and the exchange of gold to Cinan for the sword he decided to slip away before Ras Kalik could question who he was, and why the Akavir descendant really wanted that sword. Herzog was headed to Nagastani — An Ayleid ruin in eastern Cyrodiil. He had read in scrolls that the Sword would give him magical powers to meet his mothers spirit, if he performed an Ayleid ritual at an old shrine hidden there. Equipped with the artifact sword, he was off to start his own adventure but Ras Kalik, did indeed notice the sword however and instead sent a letter to Jux Blackheart (whom also was interested in Ayleid treasures), to attempt to find Herzog and acquire the sword. (*Azani Blackheart in Elder Scroll's Oblivion is Jux's descendant some 747 years later)
And so the Redguard, Imperial and Akaviri men parted ways ... While Ras Kalik went off to Elsweyr to encounter the latest threat to Tamriel, with Abnur Tharn and Sai Sahan - - DRAGONS!! Little did Ras Kalik know a few people were awaiting him in Senchal besides Sai. A necromancer survived his attack on the Withered Hand, while in Alik'r. The necromancer known as Auriek Siet'ka is also following him to the land of the Khajiits and Cacique the Sage of Ius a Shaman mystic who has become attuned spiritually with Tu'whacca (a Redguard God) and Ius (the Animal God), after being burned severely by the escaped dragons in Elsywer, is awaiting his arrival also. Aurik is a soldier of the Daggerfall Covenant that was introduced to necromancy while in the military, even though this magicka art is not spoken of openly by most of the Military leaders. He came to Alik'r and worked with the Withered Hand before Ras Kalik intervened on their plans. After the defeat of the Withered Hand, he aligned with the Worm Cult, and is constantly adapting and perfecting his necromantic arts.
After his journey to Rimmen, Kalik heads south to Senchal, in the southern regions of Elyswer. This new adventure will also put him on a path to meet a strange Redguard man. The stranger which was infected with an untreated Peyrite disease and also was the exiled from the Order of the New Moon cult, due to his sickness. He originally joined the cult to worship Laatvulon, the green dragon, mistakenly thinking it was the Daedric prince Peyrite. This confused and suffering cultist is known as Tsar al-Bomba and he is on a path to spread the disease. He was originally infected in Orccrest while recruiting members there. Can Ras Kalik and the shaman Cacique cure this poor soul, only time will tell. Little does Tsar al-Bomba know, that his infection is tied to Vampirism, and eventually the desire for blood will take over his mind. Senchal also offers Kalik his latest love interest... Aeliah. Whom he fondly led thru battles with the Dragonguard.
After the trek thru the heat, tropical and desert climate of Northern and Southern Elyswer, Ras Kalik heads north to the cold mountain range of Skyrim. His companion friend Lyris beckons for him with a letter sent by crow...
Movárth Piquine - a former vampire hunter (now infected), within the Fighter's Guild (and a secretive necromancer) was in Skyrim working with the Morthaal Guard. On a patrol mission he was caught in Frewien's ice curse outside of Morthaal with the frozen undead. Movárth's vampiric infection kept him from becoming an undead minion to the curse. He was able to use necromantic ice-magic to encase himself safely until he was freed with Freiwen, when the Vestige Ras Kalik broke the curse.
Uri Ice-Heart - brother of Urfon Ice-Heart. The twin sons of Atli and Oljourn Ice-Heart. The Ice-Heart family are originally from Markarth but now reside on the Jerall Mountain range near Cyrodiil, with their younger sister Araki. The twins had joined the Winterborn Reachmen while living in Markarth. Urfon pushed west to Orsinium with the Winterborn Clan, leaving his family behind. Uri stayed behind with his parents and sister to live in the family cabin for safety, avoiding the Vampire plague infiltrating the Reach. After news reaches him and he hears of Urfon's death... Uri leaves and heads home and is seeking vengeance. Meanwhile, his sister has also moved on to Windhelm to join the Fighter's guild. He will visit his sister, once before going to seek vengeance and she will craft him armor mixed with ice, called Stalhrim armor. Uri fearing death, after his brother's passing, falls victim to the convincing talk of Movárth at a Nordic tavern, and will also becomes a vampire.
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✭SolidusPrime wrote: »Concerning crown selling:
What's to stop either party from cutting and running once they get the first mail? I've never messed with selling crowns and was just curious. Is there no middle man involved at all? Is it completely trust-based?
Depends, my transactions are all trust based, I never bothered with a middleman. Once I paid the gold first because the guy was a new player and nervous, (not even cp160) and the thing I was buying worth only 200 crowns, it was no big risk
Other than that, I always get the gift first. I don't even try to convince people, I guess they see 1200+ cp and just trust me. I don't think gold is less important than actual money, both are earned sacrificing your time.Edited by MrBrownstone on July 16, 2020 4:58PM2 -
AmoralOne✭✭✭✭MrBrownstone wrote: »I don't think gold is less important than actual money, both are earned sacrificing your time.
I am pretty sure I value my ESO gold over my real life money.. lol
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January1171✭✭✭✭✭The comments here are interesting, because I've always been told that trading gold first is standard operating procedure as ZOS can refund gold, but they can't refund crowns.
Regardless, go through a guild or something like Tamriel Crown Exchange. Prices might be a bit higher, but it's a bit less likely you'll get scammed because there is more accountability than just going through zone chat. People are risking getting kicked from a guild if they scam from a guildie, and TCE insures all trades through them so even if you do get scammed from the seller you will get the item at the end of the day.Edited by January1171 on July 16, 2020 5:16PM0 -
dan.wieeb17_ESOSoul ShrivenI have similar problem, but I had contacted Zenimax before requesting refund ant they confirmed that the transaction was not successful.
- I tried to purchase 14000 crowns in ESO online shop,
- The money was withdrawn from my account but the crowns were not granted,
- I filed support request with Zenimax with the payment printout and they confirmed that the transaction was not successful,
- I requested refund from paypal then, as my money was taken and the crowns were not granted,
- Paypal contacted Zenimax to confirm the problem,
- Zenimax did't reply to Paypals question,
- Paypal returned my money,
- Zenimax granted me crowns after paypal returned the money; and now
- Zenimax canceled my subscription and banned me...
I cant even file support ticket or appeal as I'm banned from logging to my account and support system.
I can gladly pay again for the crowns they granted after the return.
But this mess is on them, not on me.
Any ideas?
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marshill88✭✭✭✭ChimpyChumpy wrote: »Is giving crowns before getting gold first really how these things work? Seems crazy that gold is prioritized over real money . . .
IF the crowns are 3000 or less AND the player is a champion 800+, I will send first. I first have them confirm in chat the purchase and take a screenshot of it. I have done this twice. For the one guy who bought 6000 crowns from me for a dummy, I did require all that gold upfront due to the dollar cost.0 -
dan.wieeb17_ESOSoul ShrivenSorry, wrong topic, wrong chrome tab
But I cannot remove or edit the post. 0 -
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✭✭✭✭dan.wieeb17_ESO wrote: »I have similar problem, but I had contacted Zenimax before requesting refund ant they confirmed that the transaction was not successful.
- I tried to purchase 14000 crowns in ESO online shop,
- The money was withdrawn from my account but the crowns were not granted,
- I filed support request with Zenimax with the payment printout and they confirmed that the transaction was not successful,
- I requested refund from paypal then, as my money was taken and the crowns were not granted,
- Paypal contacted Zenimax to confirm the problem,
- Zenimax did't reply to Paypals question,
- Paypal returned my money,
- Zenimax granted me crowns after paypal returned the money; and now
- Zenimax canceled my subscription and banned me...
I cant even file support ticket or appeal as I'm banned from logging to my account and support system.
I can gladly pay again for the crowns they granted after the return.
But this mess is on them, not on me.
Any ideas?
Ask for help in a separate thread here, probably under a category related to Accounts or Help.
You can post your ticket number there and tag a ZOS employee to try to get some help.0 -
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✭✭✭MrBrownstone wrote: »I like how 75% of the replies has nothing to do with my question
Have you tried those chocolate and peanut butter Cheerios? They're really good.✨🐦✨ Blackfeather Court Commission ✨🐦✨3 -
Eedat✭✭✭✭✭ChimpyChumpy wrote: »Is giving crowns before getting gold first really how these things work? Seems crazy that gold is prioritized over real money . . .
Generally no. Every time I've bought crowns the gold goes over first. Sometimes its half the gold upfront half the gold after but I've never encountered a seller that I didn't already know that would send the crown item over first.0 -
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✭✭The worst that would happen is either ZOS or your bank coming after you for filing a false charge back. The absolute worst thing that will happen is you get some jail time for it if convicted. If you have a good lawyer though, I'm sure the absolute worst that will happen to you is some community service and resolution, unless...you already have a criminal history. Tread lightly bro, and gl!0 -
corpseblade✭✭✭Always use a guild that specializes in these kind of trade. They use a 3-way trade. We all meet. The middleman holds the gold and tell you when they have it and it is safe for me to gift. You gift. Middleman checks and then gives me the gold. I have done at least 30 gifts this way safely.0
