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NoCP Nightblade needs some love - Replace gank with brawler
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Survivability is very limited, (on stamblade) not enough rss and sustain to cloak or shade enough, dodgeroll is unreliable and useless in an aoefest, pair that with lag, every other class having an aoefest of jabs, dots, and grothdar, plus low resists and its a very UNFUN experience.
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✭Well the 1st thing they need is a longer duration on Maj Resolve. 6 sec is not enough...Urban.Monk
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Balance for the Sake of Balance is no Balance at all.3 -
Luede✭✭✭✭✭nbs cannot be that bad, because there are a lot of nbs being played at the moment, significantly more than in the last patch3 -
puertoniko✭✭nb´s are in a better spot than they have been for a while now in pvp. it has always been a squishy hit and run class.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭All last fixes that made us way tankier took a portion of damage from us also, so idk about others but I'd be more pleased to see anything in the damage department, especially with such a poor healing.0 -
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✭✭puertoniko wrote: »it has always been a squishy hit and run class.
No it hasnt.Edited by exeeter702 on July 13, 2020 9:34PM2 -
Infectious1X✭✭✭It’s fine for those of you who prefer the “hit and run” gank style, but there are others who prefer NOT being pigeonholed into this. Issue is every change to NBs is specifically in response to the stealth gank style, which is extremely unfortunate as it affects every other aspect of play that a NB can potentially perform as.3
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Udrath✭✭✭✭You can brawl with dark cloak and weaving a lot DW heavy attacks. I recommend having a least 30k HP since dark cloak scales off max health. Use tri-food. Use tri-potions and have a lot of speed/mobility. My main is a stamblade brawler that uses dark cloak and I have a lot of fun with it! If you want to chat about this topic feel free to just hit me up @Bucktoothbandit in-game0 -
Vermintide✭✭✭✭Remember when Swallow Soul gave us Vitality? Remember when fear gave us Maim? Remember when Merciless gave us Berserk? Remember when Mirage gave us Expedition? Remember when...
It's funny because all the various nerfs have been put in place because people were salty about gankers. But now ganker is the only thing the class can really do.10 -
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✭Vermintide wrote: »Remember when Swallow Soul gave us Vitality? Remember when fear gave us Maim? Remember when Merciless gave us Berserk? Remember when Mirage gave us Expedition? Remember when...
It's funny because all the various nerfs have been put in place because people were salty about gankers. But now ganker is the only thing the class can really do.
And it can't even do that well anymore — well, not my magblades anyway. No matter how much damage I build for, I feel like I'm equipped with a slingshot while everyone else is running around with rocket launchers. Sure I can get kills if my burst lands, but that is a big IF. All anyone has to do to completely neutralize magblade "burst" is have enough stamina to dodge twice. If you can do that, I don't have anything but my spammable for at least 5 GCDs. Such a garbage class.Edited by Langeston on July 16, 2020 7:44AM1 -
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Preatty much this. I stopped PvP-ing on my NB brawler - tank with Wrathstone. Since last Midyear Mayhem, I was thinking of returning, but pretty much only option I have is Bomb-blade or bow ganker...Vermintide wrote: »Remember when Swallow Soul gave us Vitality? Remember when fear gave us Maim? Remember when Merciless gave us Berserk? Remember when Mirage gave us Expedition? Remember when...
It's funny because all the various nerfs have been put in place because people were salty about gankers. But now ganker is the only thing the class can really do.
Edited by Tommy_The_Gun on July 16, 2020 7:52AM0 -
Rakdos✭✭Survivability is very limited, (on stamblade) not enough rss and sustain to cloak or shade enough, dodgeroll is unreliable and useless in an aoefest, pair that with lag, every other class having an aoefest of jabs, dots, and grothdar, plus low resists and its a very UNFUN experience.
The moving speed is the key to survive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98_aB6u_yXs Edited by Rakdos on July 23, 2020 6:03AM0 -
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Apparently playing low MMR Crazy King like it's Team Deathmatch (while everyone else is playing the objective) is also the key.😉Survivability is very limited, (on stamblade) not enough rss and sustain to cloak or shade enough, dodgeroll is unreliable and useless in an aoefest, pair that with lag, every other class having an aoefest of jabs, dots, and grothdar, plus low resists and its a very UNFUN experience.
The moving speed is the key to survive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiekKb2Udvs
I'd be more interested in seeing how that build fares in a high MMR Deathmatch, because I have a hard time picturing Hiti's Hearth & Caluurion putting much of a dent in anyone with a decent build that knows what they're doing. I don't know anyone that plays a squishier build than I do, and even I rarely ever get caught by Caluurion.5 -
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Apparently playing low MMR Crazy King like it's Team Deathmatch (while everyone else is playing the objective) is also the key.😉Survivability is very limited, (on stamblade) not enough rss and sustain to cloak or shade enough, dodgeroll is unreliable and useless in an aoefest, pair that with lag, every other class having an aoefest of jabs, dots, and grothdar, plus low resists and its a very UNFUN experience.
The moving speed is the key to survive.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiekKb2Udvs
I'd be more interested in seeing how that build fares in a high MMR Deathmatch, because I have a hard time picturing Hiti's Hearth & Caluurion putting much of a dent in anyone with a decent build that knows what they're doing. I don't know anyone that plays a squishier build than I do, and even I rarely ever get caught by Caluurion.
ZOS buffed all proc sets and nerfed impen trait in the next patch, I think the ganker build will becoming competitive in the future0 -
precambria✭✭✭✭✭Nightblades are pretty damn good in BG now, sorry let me clarify, stamblades are pretty good. Magblades are support OR steal kill from a real class.1 -
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Well, 7 impen + the base crit resistance introduced last patch is still significantly stronger than the amount of crit resistance you got from 7 impen before the changes to crit resistance. I did the math the other day, and even after the 2 supposed "nerfs," you'll get ~22% more crit mitigation next patch with 7 impen than you used to.
Apparently playing low MMR Crazy King like it's Team Deathmatch (while everyone else is playing the objective) is also the key.😉Survivability is very limited, (on stamblade) not enough rss and sustain to cloak or shade enough, dodgeroll is unreliable and useless in an aoefest, pair that with lag, every other class having an aoefest of jabs, dots, and grothdar, plus low resists and its a very UNFUN experience.
The moving speed is the key to survive.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiekKb2Udvs
I'd be more interested in seeing how that build fares in a high MMR Deathmatch, because I have a hard time picturing Hiti's Hearth & Caluurion putting much of a dent in anyone with a decent build that knows what they're doing. I don't know anyone that plays a squishier build than I do, and even I rarely ever get caught by Caluurion.
ZOS buffed all proc sets and nerfed impen trait in the next patch, I think the ganker build will becoming competitive in the future
As far as proc sets being stupidly OP next patch, I agree. But it doesn't help out NB any more than any other class. In fact, in light of the new sets the Grim Focus changes can actually be seen as a straight up nerf to NBs.
Next patch, people are going to just be running around spamming Crit Rush and wiping people. With that new gap closer set, Maelstrom 2H, and Malacath, Crit Rush alone is going to do ~43,750 — that's [snip] insane. So everyone is going to be running around with 30k+ health and high resistances — meaning magblades are going to be no more dangerous than flies buzzing around an elephant. (Which is why I said the Grim Focus change could be seen as a nerf.)
[Edited for Censor Bypass]Edited by Psiion on July 16, 2020 9:33PM1 -
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Cmon man I dont wont to burst your bubble but some people there were not even cp 100. If you enjoy that pvp its fine but please dont post this thinking and telling people its something good. Most of those players you can kill just with LA spam.Survivability is very limited, (on stamblade) not enough rss and sustain to cloak or shade enough, dodgeroll is unreliable and useless in an aoefest, pair that with lag, every other class having an aoefest of jabs, dots, and grothdar, plus low resists and its a very UNFUN experience.
The moving speed is the key to survive.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiekKb2Udvs
Magblade for bgs in higher mmr dont have to much to offer unless healer specc.
Stamblade is nice in low/medium mmr and also struggle in high mmr where groups stick together with lots of aoe going around
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erio✭✭✭✭✭Dr_Ganknstein wrote: »I like hit and run playstyle ☺
I like being able to do bgs on a nbSurvivability is very limited, (on stamblade) not enough rss and sustain to cloak or shade enough, dodgeroll is unreliable and useless in an aoefest, pair that with lag, every other class having an aoefest of jabs, dots, and grothdar, plus low resists and its a very UNFUN experience.
The moving speed is the key to survive.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiekKb2Udvs
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erio✭✭✭✭✭precambria wrote: »Nightblades are pretty damn good in BG now, sorry let me clarify, stamblades are pretty good. Magblades are support OR steal kill from a real class.
I will admit i farmed out essence thief and it does feel better than my previous setups for no cp.0 -
Khatou✭✭✭✭The problem of NB no heal suitable for stams even no heal spell for stam, a complicated defense system and if you don't play what ZOS wants your right to be useless the sad vision of this studio towards a "killer" class type without forgetting some attack asking for an attack on the side to be stronger.
Meanwhile, the other players can abuse with impunity the easy strength of the other classes and weapons creating no originality in a slowly dying PVP .
And always this ultimate move of the development team has played mute and 0 exchange with its community...
Understand this and you'll understand that for PVP players this game has no more interest to dwell on it!
where is this development team? this CM? would we be fooled by an A.I.?
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Rakdos✭✭Dr_Ganknstein wrote: »I like hit and run playstyle ☺
I like being able to do bgs on a nbSurvivability is very limited, (on stamblade) not enough rss and sustain to cloak or shade enough, dodgeroll is unreliable and useless in an aoefest, pair that with lag, every other class having an aoefest of jabs, dots, and grothdar, plus low resists and its a very UNFUN experience.
The moving speed is the key to survive.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiekKb2Udvs
low mmr god
The so-called high mmr brawler kind of play style is the true unfun experience for NB. Its like 12 turtles biting each other. no one will die until time up and eventually groups with better healer win the game0 -
erio✭✭✭✭✭Dr_Ganknstein wrote: »I like hit and run playstyle ☺
I like being able to do bgs on a nbSurvivability is very limited, (on stamblade) not enough rss and sustain to cloak or shade enough, dodgeroll is unreliable and useless in an aoefest, pair that with lag, every other class having an aoefest of jabs, dots, and grothdar, plus low resists and its a very UNFUN experience.
The moving speed is the key to survive.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiekKb2Udvs
low mmr god
The so-called high mmr brawler kind of play style is the true unfun experience for NB. Its like 12 turtles biting each other. no one will die until time up and eventually groups with better healer win the game
If you dont like nightblade dont play it. Gank is just as unfun. We can point fingers all day saying whats fun and what isnt. End of the day, a brawler playstyle is more healthy for the game.0 -
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✭✭I use a melee mag NB and have had little problems except with sorcs before they patched that thrassian bug ...0 -
Metemsycosis✭✭✭✭Dr_Ganknstein wrote: »I like hit and run playstyle ☺
I like being able to do bgs on a nbSurvivability is very limited, (on stamblade) not enough rss and sustain to cloak or shade enough, dodgeroll is unreliable and useless in an aoefest, pair that with lag, every other class having an aoefest of jabs, dots, and grothdar, plus low resists and its a very UNFUN experience.
The moving speed is the key to survive.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiekKb2Udvs
low mmr god
The so-called high mmr brawler kind of play style is the true unfun experience for NB. Its like 12 turtles biting each other. no one will die until time up and eventually groups with better healer win the game
If you dont like nightblade dont play it. Gank is just as unfun. We can point fingers all day saying whats fun and what isnt. End of the day, a brawler playstyle is more healthy for the game.
Says you.
"Healthier" hahahaTerethea Magdalena, Breton Nightblade
A Dark-Adapted Eye, Imperial Necromancer
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Khatou✭✭✭✭otherwise to come to the subject NB magic is much easier than a NB stam much more fearsome, NB stam has a strong problem in penetration if you don't play the cheat weapon of pvp0
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erio✭✭✭✭✭Metemsycosis wrote: »Dr_Ganknstein wrote: »I like hit and run playstyle ☺
I like being able to do bgs on a nbSurvivability is very limited, (on stamblade) not enough rss and sustain to cloak or shade enough, dodgeroll is unreliable and useless in an aoefest, pair that with lag, every other class having an aoefest of jabs, dots, and grothdar, plus low resists and its a very UNFUN experience.
The moving speed is the key to survive.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiekKb2Udvs
low mmr god
The so-called high mmr brawler kind of play style is the true unfun experience for NB. Its like 12 turtles biting each other. no one will die until time up and eventually groups with better healer win the game
If you dont like nightblade dont play it. Gank is just as unfun. We can point fingers all day saying whats fun and what isnt. End of the day, a brawler playstyle is more healthy for the game.
Says you.
"Healthier" hahaha
What?0
