Is it even possible to get Zaan helmet with pugs

Necrotiger

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MaleAmazon

I have gotten zaan several times with PUGs (I keep deleting my main characters then coming back to ESO after a while).

Though, you might want to be the tank with self-heals. If you know the bosses and the mechanics plus can take care of yourself, it won´t be much of a problem. If you get a moron tank ("mank") you are screwed since there are many dungeon mechanics where the tank needs to be able to play ball.

DDs will probably drop like flies already on the first boss and many might quit, but, much like flies, there are thousands more.

Oh, and probably don´t do it if it´s a daily Undaunted pledge. Pledges attract players who want to have things but who do not want to learn how to get them.

madrab73

Try joining a guild and forming a team to clear vet dungeons. More likely to get helm in the right weight too.

Necrotiger

Or maybe i shouldn't try to do veteran dlc dungeons at my 300 cp, maybe i'm just too weak

gatekeeper13

As a tank (have tanked vICP, vWGT, vFL, vFalkreath, vCoS, vDoM easily) , I failed miserably since I couldn't pass the first boss (always got 1-shot from incoming dmg I could not see).

As a DD I did it relatively easy with a decent pre-made group. But my pug runs were a nightmare.

For such difficult dungeons, always go in with a pre-made group that can communicate. Communication is 50% of success.

jm42

well, if probability is not zero then it's not impossible, but you will lose 90% of your nerve cells forever

xXMeowMeowXx

Yes you can do it at 300cp

Things to make it easier

•Know the mechanics

{there are so many resources available on this} https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=T-0bx6SUxIo

•Have good communication with your group

Good communication is key to clearing a dungeon faster with pugs.

•Have your toon ready for that dungeon

Sometimes you have to allocate your Cp differently, change enchants, and gear for certain dungeons if you’re having problems.

Make sure to have repair kits and plenty of pots if you’re struggling.

•Other options

Join a guild and ask specifically for help on getting Zaan’. Perhaps donate and socialize a bit.

Pay gold or crowns for a carry. Imo you can 100% complete Scalecaller Peak at your current level, so that is your choice.

May the sun keep you warm, even in this land of bitter cold

=^^= you don’t need luck for dungeons @Necrotiger but good luck. 😊

Agenericname

Necrotiger wrote: »

Or maybe i shouldn't try to do veteran dlc dungeons at my 300 cp, maybe i'm just too weak

I have PUG'd it a number of times, at least 30, probably a lot more. Your CP does put you at a disadvantage, but doesn't make it impossible by any stretch of the imagination. I saw a group get Mountain God once with sub 500cp tank, healer, and DPS.

Your best bet will be to find a group. With a guild, friends, or simply find 3 others willing to run it.

There will be more people running it when it's a pledge. If you're just after the helm and not HM you don't need as strong of a group and you should be able to PUG that, but you'll have inconsistent results with PUGs.

You could also tank it. At least you wont have to wait.

If your on PC/NA feel free to look me up and I'll go with you.

Nomad1098

If only there was some sort of system to form a collective of players that do pve content.

Necrotiger

okay, i'm not getting zaan. 3 group couldn't get past first boss, it's just too hard.

daemonios

gatekeeper13 wrote: »

As a tank (have tanked vICP, vWGT, vFL, vFalkreath, vCoS, vDoM easily) , I failed miserably since I couldn't pass the first boss (always got 1-shot from incoming dmg I could not see).

As a DD I did it relatively easy with a decent pre-made group. But my pug runs were a nightmare.

For such difficult dungeons, always go in with a pre-made group that can communicate. Communication is 50% of success.

What usually does tanks in (or rather what did me in when I tanked it) is that the ice spikes that chase you so you need to freeze yourself to survive can spawn directly under the tank and/or only render after they reach you. I find I need to move basically constantly so I can see the spike start to chase me and run to the freezing circle.

BKTHNDR

Necrotiger wrote: »

okay, i'm not getting zaan. 3 group couldn't get past first boss, it's just too hard.

I wouldn't give up if I were you. I've only ever done vet dungeons with pugs and I have Zaan. You'll eventually come across group that's either really good and knows their stuff or has the determination to not give up.

Any attempt is better than no attempt at all.

radiostar

Yes, you can pug it. That's how I got my Zaan hats. dps needs to be good, and I think you use the pillars like in that one trial where you hide behind it.

NekoN3ko

It definitely is. Are you willing to have the patience to teach and support the players in the group, do you even know how to run it (mechanics)?

Jeremy

radiostar wrote: »

Yes, you can pug it. That's how I got my Zaan hats. dps needs to be good, and I think you use the pillars like in that one trial where you hide behind it.

That sounds like Falkreath Hold.

spartaxoxo

Necrotiger wrote: »

Or maybe i shouldn't try to do veteran dlc dungeons at my 300 cp, maybe i'm just too weak

Nah. As long as you're not doing the hardmodes, it should be fine. Much more important than your cp is your gear and rotations. Make sure you have those on point.

daemonios

Necrotiger wrote: »

okay, i'm not getting zaan. 3 group couldn't get past first boss, it's just too hard.

Can you understand where you're failing? There are several important mechanics you have to follow.

Separate the bosses or they enrage and you die.

When you're chased by a red circle, freeze yourself by going in one of the yellow frost circles and let the other circle break you free or you die.

When big ice columns spawn around the room, get behind them before the caster boss finishes his spell or you die.

When that boss starts summoning rats, interrupt him and/or make sure you have plenty of AoE to deal with them or you (probably) die.

Make sure you kill both bosses more or less at the same time, or the one that survives will engage and may wipe the group.

Understand where you fail and talk with your group. Otherwise you'll be making the game mistake again and again.

Agenericname

Jeremy wrote: »

radiostar wrote: »

Yes, you can pug it. That's how I got my Zaan hats. dps needs to be good, and I think you use the pillars like in that one trial where you hide behind it.

That sounds like Falkreath Hold.

There are 2 ice pillars that the outer ogre forms and protect you from the ice ball that the inner ogre casts.

I believe the "unseen damage" that was mentioned is the tremors.

@gatekeeper13
When you see the roaming ice circles the tremors aren't far behind. I start to kite the boss because the outer ogre is who casts them and if you're standing too close you wont see them. Give yourself some space.

radiostar

daemonios wrote: »

Necrotiger wrote: »

okay, i'm not getting zaan. 3 group couldn't get past first boss, it's just too hard.

Can you understand where you're failing? There are several important mechanics you have to follow.


When big ice columns spawn around the room, get behind them before the caster boss finishes his spell or you die.


Understand where you fail and talk with your group. Otherwise you'll be making the game mistake again and again.

Those are the pillars I was talking about

Jeremy

Necrotiger wrote: »

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That's going to happen a lot when pugging for DLC dungeons.

Since the Random Dungeon activity doesn't separate DLC from none DLC dungeons - there are a lot of people who queue up for random veteran dungeons who aren't actually interested in doing DLC dungeons. So they drop right at the start. Tanks are usually the worse offenders too.

If you plan on pugging Veteran DLC dungeons I highly recommend you build a tank for it. It makes it a lot easier.

FierceSam

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Necrotiger wrote: »

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Easy solution: roll a tank yourself

Sibenice

Possible? Yes, I did it. But absolutely difficult to find a party who can do the mechanics and have the dps to kill things properly.

gatekeeper13

@Agenericname

@daemonios

You re probably right guys. But in my 2 attempts as a tank I failed so miserably Ι quit. It was a huge letdown for me cause I felt useless as a tank. When I switched to DD, I completed it relatively easy and to be honest, couldn't explain what killed me again and again as a tank.

AlwaysOnFire

This is a veteran dungeon where you really can't afford to ignore the mechanics. A friend and I tried to duo it once and we did get past the first boss after many attempts (and good gear, max cp, etc.) but later bosses are even more punishing if you don't have a tank or a healer/if they don't know what to do. Study the mechanics, and for that first boss interrupt those skeevers ASAP. Most groups will find this boss to have a lot of movement so max stationary DPS (see: like against a dummy) doesn't matter as much in the everyday.

MajThorax

Yes if you fall in a pug with veteran players. Two days ago I did a vBF HM with pug lol.

Cactus_Back

Try puging on a pledge day. Should be lots of veteran players doing the pledge (I actually pug this dungeon just for fun because I like it and sometimes run it 2-3 times on a pledge day). And yes, absolutely learn the mechanics and do explain them to other members of the group if they don't know.

Jeremy

Cactus_Back wrote: »

Try puging on a pledge day. Should be lots of veteran players doing the pledge (I actually pug this dungeon just for fun because I like it and sometimes run it 2-3 times on a pledge day). And yes, absolutely learn the mechanics and do explain them to other members of the group if they don't know.

I like the dungeon too, honestly. The "mechanics" are mostly fun. The exception is that stupid statue at the end. That one I could do without. But the rest of the boss mechanics are pretty well done. It's one of my favorite DLC dungeons.

NocturnalSonata

As several people have stated: join a guild and ask for a group. This will be the fastest and surest way, as a halfway decent group will speed run this quite easily. so if you are lucky you will get one who can walk you through it and teach you th eins and outs while getting the set at the end ...

If that is not an option then you need to make sure that: 1 - you know what to expect as far as mechanics, and 2 - you are doing decent dps as a dd. If you are deficient in these area's then unless you get some really good luck with pugs, its going to be impossible, as you wont be able to make up any deficiency yourself. and to echo others, do it on pledge day, as chances are much higher that the people will be more competent (we can only hope)

If the above is not an option either, then easiest would be to roll a tank yourself, though you would be utterly at the mercy of whatever pug dd's you get (i dont pug vet on my tank ever, there is a reason for this )

Taunky

What platform do you play on? I'd be more than willing to give you a hand if you're on PC NA.

Karmanorway

Necrotiger wrote: »

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If you are EU i can go with you, i need to farm Doylemish for a particular nasty build im working on... Its called The Necroslayer 😉