Racial passives

Deathlord92

If a Breton was raised by an orc wouldn’t that Breton learn how to fight like an orc improving his own strength. Please give us a way to pick racial skill lines this would be perfect if a Breton was raised in orsinium he wouldn’t be using magic he will be fighting like an orc being much more physically powerful then other Bretons.

Deathlord92

And this could go for every race a Breton being raised in orsinium just an example as I favour Bretons.

Nairinhe

They are "racial passives", not "upbringing perks"
IIRC Bretons magical capability is caused by Aldmer blood, not by some training, it cannot be traded for something else. Similarly Breton would not have physical strength of an Orc, because they are not an Orc by blood.

Maxx7410

Bretons are a cross of human with elf and they have bonus to magic because of this

jlmurra2

Elder Scrolls Online racial passives are due to nature, not nurture. You can always build your character however you like though.

Jaraal

jlmurra2 wrote: »

Elder Scrolls Online racial passives are due to nature, not nurture.

If that were true, then Bosmer would be naturally stealthy. But guess what?

VaranisArano

Much like D&D, the TES games assign specific bonuses to a character's race. That's not surprising, given that Arena grew out of the devs' homebrew tabletop game.

In D&D, you might be able to convince your DM to give you certain bonuses based on your backstory. But the game Devs are (presumably) less likely to be bribed with drinks and pizza, and didn't code that into the game. So you have to do it yourself, like putting extra points into Stamina if you want to represent your training from your Orc parents.

Nord_Raseri

Jaraal wrote: »

jlmurra2 wrote: »

Elder Scrolls Online racial passives are due to nature, not nurture.

If that were true, then Bosmer would be naturally stealthy. But guess what?

Yeah, they messed up the passives on a few races. Bosmer being a stealthy race without stealthy passives, Nords being a fighter/warrior race but given tanking passives (according to ES 3-5 some orc and nord passives should be flipped), argonians without one of their natural resistances, and so on. There definitely should be racial traits, but they should be the correct ones.

Deathlord92

Nairinhe wrote: »

They are "racial passives", not "upbringing perks"
IIRC Bretons magical capability is caused by Aldmer blood, not by some training, it cannot be traded for something else. Similarly Breton would not have physical strength of an Orc, because they are not an Orc by blood.

Then what’s wrong with having a choice between upbringing perks and racial passives it’s a good idea imo there’s plenty of Breton assassins nord mages cough shalidor orc shamans this would please everyone and it’s not lore breaking.

jlmurra2

Elder Scrolls Online racial passives are due to nature, not nurture

Jaraal wrote: »

jlmurra2 wrote: »

Elder Scrolls Online racial passives are due to nature, not nurture.

If that were true, then Bosmer would be naturally stealthy. But guess what?

The Bosmer racial passives are currently a mistake , hopefully that will be fixed soon.

Deathlord92

I would be happy if I just got to choose max stamina max magic or health these shouldn’t even be racial passives imo

Deathlord92

I would be happy if I just got to choose max stamina max magic or health these shouldn’t even be racial passives imo

jlmurra2 wrote: »

Elder Scrolls Online racial passives are due to nature, not nurture

Jaraal wrote: »

jlmurra2 wrote: »

Elder Scrolls Online racial passives are due to nature, not nurture.

If that were true, then Bosmer would be naturally stealthy. But guess what?

The Bosmer racial passives are currently a mistake , hopefully that will be fixed soon.

They said something about a skill line dedicated to stealth I think but that was it nothing else has been said since the racial passive changes

Chilly-McFreeze

Deathlord92 wrote: »

I would be happy if I just got to choose max stamina max magic or health these shouldn’t even be racial passives imo

You already can do this 64 times.

Jaraal

Deathlord92 wrote: »

I would be happy if I just got to choose max stamina max magic or health these shouldn’t even be racial passives imo

jlmurra2 wrote: »

Elder Scrolls Online racial passives are due to nature, not nurture

Jaraal wrote: »

jlmurra2 wrote: »

Elder Scrolls Online racial passives are due to nature, not nurture.

If that were true, then Bosmer would be naturally stealthy. But guess what?

The Bosmer racial passives are currently a mistake , hopefully that will be fixed soon.

They said something about a skill line dedicated to stealth I think but that was it nothing else has been said since the racial passive changes

That was a year and a half ago, and they never followed through on it. And if stealth were a skill line available to all races, Bosmer would still be the most unstealthy race in the game. Even Imperials are better at stealth.

Nairinhe

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Nairinhe wrote: »

They are "racial passives", not "upbringing perks"
IIRC Bretons magical capability is caused by Aldmer blood, not by some training, it cannot be traded for something else. Similarly Breton would not have physical strength of an Orc, because they are not an Orc by blood.

Then what’s wrong with having a choice between upbringing perks and racial passives it’s a good idea imo there’s plenty of Breton assassins nord mages cough shalidor orc shamans this would please everyone and it’s not lore breaking.

Not a choice (you can't trade Argonian underwater breathing for Khajiit night vision, right?), but as an addition to racials this could work

VaranisArano

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Nairinhe wrote: »

They are "racial passives", not "upbringing perks"
IIRC Bretons magical capability is caused by Aldmer blood, not by some training, it cannot be traded for something else. Similarly Breton would not have physical strength of an Orc, because they are not an Orc by blood.

Then what’s wrong with having a choice between upbringing perks and racial passives it’s a good idea imo there’s plenty of Breton assassins nord mages cough shalidor orc shamans this would please everyone and it’s not lore breaking.

In the lore, Shalidor was a Nord with Nordic racial passives, and still an excellent mage.

In gameplay terms, Shalidor put all his attributes and skill points into his magical talents. All the training won't change the fact that he's a Nord. Elder Scrolls gameplay expects you to train the character how you want them to play.

I realize that this is a giant "can I have my cake and eat it too" type question when it comes to wanting a certain race plus BIS passives for your desired build. No, the lore doesn't back that up. I say this as the proud player of a Breton StamSorc assassin.

Plus, we already have extra bonuses that we use to adjust our builds. Its called the Mundus Stones. In older games, the equivalent was that you got to pick your birthsign bonuses. We don't need more free bonuses on top of that, especially when you consider you'll still be worse off than, say, an Orc who picks up double bonuses from being a "Orc, raised by Orcs."

Deathlord92

VaranisArano wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Nairinhe wrote: »

They are "racial passives", not "upbringing perks"
IIRC Bretons magical capability is caused by Aldmer blood, not by some training, it cannot be traded for something else. Similarly Breton would not have physical strength of an Orc, because they are not an Orc by blood.

Then what’s wrong with having a choice between upbringing perks and racial passives it’s a good idea imo there’s plenty of Breton assassins nord mages cough shalidor orc shamans this would please everyone and it’s not lore breaking.

In the lore, Shalidor was a Nord with Nordic racial passives, and still an excellent mage.

In gameplay terms, Shalidor put all his attributes and skill points into his magical talents. All the training won't change the fact that he's a Nord. Elder Scrolls gameplay expects you to train the character how you want them to play.

I realize that this is a giant "can I have my cake and eat it too" type question when it comes to wanting a certain race plus BIS passives for your desired build. No, the lore doesn't back that up. I say this as the proud player of a Breton StamSorc assassin.

Plus, we already have extra bonuses that we use to adjust our builds. Its called the Mundus Stones. In older games, the equivalent was that you got to pick your birthsign bonuses. We don't need more free bonuses on top of that, especially when you consider you'll still be worse off than, say, an Orc who picks up double bonuses from being a "Orc, raised by Orcs."

I’m not saying add upbringing perks as well as racial passives these upbringing perks would be instead of racial passive like add an option to choose one or the other upbringing perks or racial passive was my Breton raised in orsinium or was I raised in Daggerfall like most Bretons keeping my racial passives etc

Ratzkifal

This has nothing to do with upbringing. Racial passives are physiology.
Bretons are more attuned to magic while Orcs just build muscles faster and get tougher.

Assuming the same lifestyle, an Orc will always be tougher than a Breton, even if that Breton was raised by Orcs. But the Breton will always learn spells faster than the Orc. Of course that doesn't mean that there can't be exceptional individuals but as the name implies, these are the exception, not the rule. And racial passives should always reflect the rule.

If you instead of "racial passives" you would ask for background/upbringing bonuses that would be something completely different. Those could actually add to the immersion and would allow you to play as the exception without hurting the narrative purpose that racial passives serve.

Ratzkifal

Deathlord92 wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Nairinhe wrote: »

They are "racial passives", not "upbringing perks"
IIRC Bretons magical capability is caused by Aldmer blood, not by some training, it cannot be traded for something else. Similarly Breton would not have physical strength of an Orc, because they are not an Orc by blood.

Then what’s wrong with having a choice between upbringing perks and racial passives it’s a good idea imo there’s plenty of Breton assassins nord mages cough shalidor orc shamans this would please everyone and it’s not lore breaking.

In the lore, Shalidor was a Nord with Nordic racial passives, and still an excellent mage.

In gameplay terms, Shalidor put all his attributes and skill points into his magical talents. All the training won't change the fact that he's a Nord. Elder Scrolls gameplay expects you to train the character how you want them to play.

I realize that this is a giant "can I have my cake and eat it too" type question when it comes to wanting a certain race plus BIS passives for your desired build. No, the lore doesn't back that up. I say this as the proud player of a Breton StamSorc assassin.

Plus, we already have extra bonuses that we use to adjust our builds. Its called the Mundus Stones. In older games, the equivalent was that you got to pick your birthsign bonuses. We don't need more free bonuses on top of that, especially when you consider you'll still be worse off than, say, an Orc who picks up double bonuses from being a "Orc, raised by Orcs."

I’m not saying add upbringing perks as well as racial passives these upbringing perks would be instead of racial passive like add an option to choose one or the other upbringing perks or racial passive was my Breton raised in orsinium or was I raised in Daggerfall like most Bretons keeping my racial passives etc

No, that would suck.
Shalidor also had frost resistance like any other Nord nor could you give a Nord an Altmer upbringing and somehow take that frost resistance away from them. Upbringing passives cannot be an alternative to racial passives. They must either replace them completely or be an addition to them, never an alternative.

Kwik1

Plz no.

Racial perks should be exclusive and should make races stand apart, let's not blend them all together into a generic thing.

Every ES game has been like this and shouldn't be changed just because someone wants to play a Breton but have Orc passives.

colossalvoids

In addition to the racials? Maybe. Instead? Not the brightest idea out there.

Deathlord92

Kwik1 wrote: »

Plz no.

Racial perks should be exclusive and should make races stand apart, let's not blend them all together into a generic thing.

Every ES game has been like this and shouldn't be changed just because someone wants to play a Breton but have Orc passives.

No skyrim was nothing like this maybe at the start but at the end my Breton assassin was just as strong as a wood elf

Deathlord92

colossalvoids wrote: »

In addition to the racials? Maybe. Instead? Not the brightest idea out there.

I see what you mean adding em with racial passives would be better idea I was keeping in mind balance to though

colossalvoids

Deathlord92 wrote: »

colossalvoids wrote: »

In addition to the racials? Maybe. Instead? Not the brightest idea out there.

I see what you mean adding em with racial passives would be better idea I was keeping in mind balance to though

It can be kind of balanced, but probably would remove racial choice as something meaningful. For example "damage" races won't be able to take damage upbringings and "recovery" ones won't be able to take more of that stat but be more damage oriented, thanky etc. as a most obvious tool to not make it even more of a choir. Probably would negatively affect pvp also so wouldn't expect it to happen anytime really.

Stx

Another one of these threads?

Elder Scrolls Games have always had racial bonuses and if you really want to play a breton warrior in this game, do it. You won't be unable to play any content in the game.

If you care about your race that much, you aren't a min/maxer so it doesn't matter.

Every class in the game has utility spells anyway, a breton assassin will be better at utilizing those spells.

Deathlord92

Stx wrote: »

Another one of these threads?

Elder Scrolls Games have always had racial bonuses and if you really want to play a breton warrior in this game, do it. You won't be unable to play any content in the game.

If you care about your race that much, you aren't a min/maxer so it doesn't matter.

Every class in the game has utility spells anyway, a breton assassin will be better at utilizing those spells.

I have been playing a Breton stamblade for nearly 6 years now even got a yt channel around my stamblade just for fun but it shows I know what I’m doing in pvp. I see nothing wrong with these requests skyrim was no where near as punishing for playing a Breton assassin in my case anyways.

RedTalon

Deathlord92 wrote: »

I would be happy if I just got to choose max stamina max magic or health these shouldn’t even be racial passives imo

Some races are naturally bigger and tougher, so it works.

VaranisArano

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Stx wrote: »

Another one of these threads?

Elder Scrolls Games have always had racial bonuses and if you really want to play a breton warrior in this game, do it. You won't be unable to play any content in the game.

If you care about your race that much, you aren't a min/maxer so it doesn't matter.

Every class in the game has utility spells anyway, a breton assassin will be better at utilizing those spells.

I have been playing a Breton stamblade for nearly 6 years now even got a yt channel around my stamblade just for fun but it shows I know what I’m doing in pvp. I see nothing wrong with these requests skyrim was no where near as punishing for playing a Breton assassin in my case anyways.

Skyrim was a single player game with no endgame.

Even if you got your requests, your Breton warrior would still be outclassed by the minmaxers, so you wouldn't get any relative benefit from it. You'd just get some power creep for your chosen build, which ZOS has no reason to grant you, lorewise nor for "balance".

Kwik1

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Kwik1 wrote: »

Plz no.

Racial perks should be exclusive and should make races stand apart, let's not blend them all together into a generic thing.

Every ES game has been like this and shouldn't be changed just because someone wants to play a Breton but have Orc passives.

No skyrim was nothing like this maybe at the start but at the end my Breton assassin was just as strong as a wood elf

Doesn't matter if he ended up just as strong, the Breton in skyrim absolutely had different passives then a wood elf. Not saying 1 was as good or better, but they were different.

Every race in skyrim had passives that just made them a little better in some way then another race.

Meaning a Breton in Skyrim was better at magic then an Orc. Yes, the orc could still be good and by the end it won't matter because you are so OP, but the Breton absolutely had better magic passives then the Orc did.