New Player / Sub - 2 Months - Under 50 CP PVP Event

EvenFlow12

I have really enjoyed this game up until this event. I am playing under 50 CP and don't even want to que anymore since every match has a player or 2 who goes 20-1, 25-1 and can destroy a team 1 v 3, 1 v 4. I have been told it because of sets, which basically makes the player OP.

Please don't tell me it is skill. I have played a lot of BGs the last few months and when someone can tank an entire team and kill each player in 4-5 hits, something is wrong.

They are also always:

Stamina - 2H or Werewolf

So the result is almost every match has a player like this in a match and I can't even get to 3 wins required for the event tickets.

There is no way i am the only one frustrated by this and the devs are unaware. The ultimate question is why invest money into this game when I can't even participate in an event without running into this scenario nearly every match?

heaven13

No battlegrounds have CP enabled, regardless of level (even people at the CP cap play in no-CP BGs).

That said, I do understand some of your frustration. The nerfs to healing that happened during Greymoor have made many players more squishy, particularly in no-CP. And yes, the 2-hand dizzy swing spam and werewolves can be hard to go up against, particularly if that's the majority of the other teams. If skills like dodge roll, break free, and cc-immunity pots were more reliable it might not be so bad but I'm pretty sure cc-immunity is a myth at this point.

If you are only trying to do enough BGs to get your quest turn in, I would recommend dropping the win 3 when you get it and either go for the participate in 5 or contribution of 1000 medal points. The latter is the easiest to complete and can usually be done in one or two matches.

finehair

Below50 campaign is a den for tryhards who prey on newbies, you would do better in NonCP campaign by zergsurfing trust me.

I know certain individuals who create the same character over and over again and use their gold gear in below50 campaign just to murder bunch of new players. So, it is kind of impossible to compete against that if you are new to this game, even if you are not a good combinaton of sets in gold for below50 campaign makes you insanely strong.
I played below50 for a while to level my character's alliance war skill line, kept getting hit by dawnbreakers and ice comets left and right.

Naftal

With gear lvl cap being cp160, the time between lvl50 and cp160 is the worst time in ESO and you should get to cp160 asap.

In my opinion they should reduce the gear cap to just lvl50. Alternatively put all lvl50 but below cp160 players into the same queue with people below lvl50.

Dusk_Coven

The devs either don't theorycraft well enough to discover these extremes -- or they don't care to have a separate server running a separate, proper, ruleset for PvP.

Everything that's fun in PvE -- where enemies are essentially just variants of bullet sponges meaty enough for players to have their fun mashing them -- is allowed in PvP. And the devs just cross their fingers that they don't have to make yet another vague blanket nerf to something to try to balance something else that's out of whack. Like the most recent adjustment to reduce PvP healing by a further 10%.

These adjustments don't really address the issue -- that in allowing too many things, with too many potential highly unbalanced combinations, PvP is out of control.
And this doesn't even address people exploiting the system of alts where you hold your gear on an alt and reroll another under-50 toon then transfer all that top of the line stuff onto the new alt so you can dominate right from the start. A situation made worse by their allowing people to buy fully unlocked skill lines as well as skill points (the skyshard packages) from the cash shop. Onto a brand-new toon.

AmoralOne

EvenFlow12 wrote: »

The ultimate question is why invest money into this game when I can't even participate in an event without running into this scenario nearly every match?

[snip] Heres what you do if you want it to stop right now, or wait til after events over [snip].

Stop doing BG's, and PvP cause you are CP 50. That means you are lv 0. [snip] Thats because gear level max's at CP 160. Go grind those last 110 levels. Its really ez to get 160. (its the other 650 that takes forever)

Once you are 160 find a PvP build for BG's, and go get that gear, now max out the gear with gold glyphs, and gold the weapons out, and correct trait them.

After all that now you just need mechanics down, because BGs are no cp so after 160 you are maxed out to the T.

[snip]

[edited for baiting]

AmoralOne

Naftal wrote: »

Alternatively put all lvl50 but below cp160 players into the same queue with people below lvl50.

@Naftal Somewhere on the forums we had this conversation. Someone was really annoyed he had to keep getting Que'd with low levels that didnt know how to play, we eventually said what you said.

The down side is BG's just isnt that populated. So trying to have 2 separate ques would take to long.

If it was more populated though you are correct! Flipping the script from the noobs point of view, as a maxed out BG's player you wouldn't want to be que'd in with a bunch of lv 30's who dont know whats going on.

Dusk_Coven

DTAmoral wrote: »

Stop doing BG's, and PvP cause you are CP 50. [snip] Thats because gear level max's at CP 160. Go grind those last 110 levels. Its really ez to get 160. (its the other 650 that takes forever)

Once you are 160 find a PvP build for BG's, and go get that gear, now max out the gear with gold glyphs, and gold the weapons out, and correct trait them.

[snip]

The OP is correct that ESO PvP is broken garbage.

[edited for baiting]

AmoralOne

[snip] That is what I am saying, but I have provided the 'how' on what to do to get out of that situation.

PvP is broke, I am not denying that. I actually reference to that in the last sentence. However THIS situation is not a broken game issue. OP is very under prepared to fight maxed out BG players. SO I gave him the information to get up there.

IF he does all that comes back, and complains that StamWarden, or StamCro are over performing then sure we can have that conversation.

[edited to remove quoted content]

Galwylin

DTAmoral wrote: »

[snip] Heres what you do if you want it to stop right now, or wait til after events over [snip].

Stop doing BG's, and PvP cause you are CP 50. That means you are lv 0. [snip] Thats because gear level max's at CP 160. Go grind those last 110 levels. Its really ez to get 160. (its the other 650 that takes forever)

Once you are 160 find a PvP build for BG's, and go get that gear, now max out the gear with gold glyphs, and gold the weapons out, and correct trait them.

After all that now you just need mechanics down, because BGs are no cp so after 160 you are maxed out to the T.

[snip]

[snip] The guy is simply asking to have the fun he was promised when he starting playing this game. Or more specifically invited to participate in this event. Did anyone else miss the disclaimer that you must meet certain criteria?

There's no excuse why he is even being matched that way when we it is possible in 2020 for games to specify who plays against who. [snip]

The game simply should do better. If we have no better advice than talking down to someone with legitimate concerns I'm not sure why respond. What if we suggest ESO should simply advertise their events as must have played since January 1st to ensure we get the "right" people participating. Wouldn't that go well. Please play our game but don't expect to have a good time until six months after purchase would you like a crown crate with that?

I find this pisses me off quite a bit and I am light years from his issues.

[edited for baiting]

AmoralOne

@Galwylin I didn't tell OP he had to stop doing the event, but if he wants to fix the problem, he would need to. I didnt use colorful fluffy words because there was a bit of information to put down. I also addressed WHY he was being matched with those players. If BG's had a bigger player base you could run 2 ques, one for CP 160 and below, and the other for above.

THAT would be the only way Zos could fix this issue. However like I said not enough people play BG's for that.

For a game thats been out for 5-6 years most of the players are going to be maxed out. This is a PvP event. All the maxed out players are going to be running around and farming low cp, and low level players. If you are one of these low level players like OP, and you are getting farmed, and saying things are not fair you have to look at it from another point of view.

Those dudes 1vXing are totally min-maxed and ready for YOU. Facts dont care about your feelings. OP had a concern, I gave him the facts without fluff to make him feel better, and that should of been that.

What else is there to say. "oh im sorry you are right, that 5 year vet shouldn't be able to farm your 2 month old account, thats not fair"

Smh.

SidraWillowsky

Yeah, you've found the re-rollers.... players who aren't good enough to play in the above-50 campaigns, so they constantly create new characters and have done so for so long that they can deck them out in gold BiS gear every two levels and then go prey on the legit noobs.

I went into the sub-50 campaign exactly once hoping to play against people learning like I was. Got smashed by a group of players exactly as you describe (WWs + stam 2Hs), left, and have never gone back.

Fur_like_snow

Those players have been rerolling for years. without gear of similar quality you really have no hope. Level up and get a proper PvP build ASAP.

EvenFlow12

Thanks for all the comments and suggestions. I do love playing this game and just now experienced BG becoming lowbie farming.

It also only play a MagBlade using Dark Cloak and was doing just fine, not great before this. I did get smashed once in a while and except that. I also had some good games which is probably why I have enjoyed PVP, it always seemed fine before this event.

I know that is a horrible build for PVP, but I like it and had a good time without feeling too under-powered.

I will work to improve my build and know I will never be a pro min/max type.

Wandering_Immigrant

EvenFlow12 wrote: »

Thanks for all the comments and suggestions. I do love playing this game and just now experienced BG becoming lowbie farming.

It also only play a MagBlade using Dark Cloak and was doing just fine, not great before this. I did get smashed once in a while and except that. I also had some good games which is probably why I have enjoyed PVP, it always seemed fine before this event.

I know that is a horrible build for PVP, but I like it and had a good time without feeling too under-powered.

I will work to improve my build and know I will never be a pro min/max type.

PvP has a steep learning curve. There will be days while you're in that curve where everything is going great and you feel like it's all clicking for you, followed by days where you're repeatedly dying as soon as you step outside your base and you'll realize you still have a lot to learn. You seem to have a good attitude towards it though, so stick with it, it'll get better and once it does it's a lot of fun.

There's a number of things that could be contributing to your current issues. It could be re-rollers as has been suggested, or it could be that like most new players still in the levelling phase your gear is a hodgepodge collection with no real focus and / or severely under leveled, which would make any halfway put together setup seem overpower. Or it could simply be MMR putting a player with years of PvP experience in with a bunch new players since MMR is character based rather account based, so any new character, reroll or not, would be put in low MMR matches.

None of that really matters though. Your biggest issue at the moment is that you've been given the win 3 BGs daily. I imagine even most experienced players would prefer to avoid that one if they're just there for tickets since it forces you to rely on your team knowing what they're doing, and during the event when your team is likely to be filled with people who only PvP once a year, that's an iffy proposition. Just abandon that quest and get a different one.

Once the event is over things will normalize and without the pressure of tickets you'll be free to go back to just playing and getting better. So don't let the mayhem in midyear mayhem discourage you, everyone struggled in PvP at first.

xXMeowMeowXx

Don’t play under 50, get to 160cp at least. Though you will still most likely die a lot.

You’re saying there is not much skill but you’re new player, playing against veteran players. Players that have played PvP for years on ESO which you haven’t.

I can’t say what you’re running up against because 2 months is barley any time at playing this game. Though between twinks and experienced players you will have a learning curve.

That’s why you need to get to 160cp for better progression.

MartiniDaniels

Of course something like account wide MMR will help a bit. But not much. Thing is that as soon as you get to CP160 BG, they will be even harder for you if you have suboptimal gear and lack of game knowledge and experience. Because not 1 or 2, but majority of opposing players will be properly geared and more or less experienced.

Best advice - start adapting right now, maybe ask guildies to craft you some gear, learn to survive for the beginning, how to heal, how to dodge, when to block etc

xXMeowMeowXx

Galwylin wrote: »

DTAmoral wrote: »

[snip] Heres what you do if you want it to stop right now, or wait til after events over [snip].

Stop doing BG's, and PvP cause you are CP 50. That means you are lv 0. [snip] Thats because gear level max's at CP 160. Go grind those last 110 levels. Its really ez to get 160. (its the other 650 that takes forever)

Once you are 160 find a PvP build for BG's, and go get that gear, now max out the gear with gold glyphs, and gold the weapons out, and correct trait them.

After all that now you just need mechanics down, because BGs are no cp so after 160 you are maxed out to the T.

[snip]

[snip] The guy is simply asking to have the fun he was promised when he starting playing this game. Or more specifically invited to participate in this event. Did anyone else miss the disclaimer that you must meet certain criteria?

There's no excuse why he is even being matched that way when we it is possible in 2020 for games to specify who plays against who. [snip]

The game simply should do better. If we have no better advice than talking down to someone with legitimate concerns I'm not sure why respond. What if we suggest ESO should simply advertise their events as must have played since January 1st to ensure we get the "right" people participating. Wouldn't that go well. Please play our game but don't expect to have a good time until six months after purchase would you like a crown crate with that?

I find this pisses me off quite a bit and I am light years from his issues.

[edited for baiting]

What is upsetting, is a two month long player wanting to be able to beat experienced players without the experience.

It’s a game and they picked a competitive part of the game to play. I feel they have unrealistic expectations.

@DTAmoral was trying to help and I agree with their assessment. Not much more to really say on the matter.

ESO is a large game do other things if BGs is not making you smile. In time you will learn more and get there, just be light hearted about it.

Wandering_Immigrant

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Of course something like account wide MMR will help a bit. But not much. Thing is that as soon as you get to CP160 BG, they will be even harder for you if you have suboptimal gear and lack of game knowledge and experience. Because not 1 or 2, but majority of opposing players will be properly geared and more or less experienced.

Best advice - start adapting right now, maybe ask guildies to craft you some gear, learn to survive for the beginning, how to heal, how to dodge, when to block etc

I agree with this. I started off in PvP doing under 50 cyrodiil and no CP IC. Sure I died a lot, but I was learning, and by the time I got 160 I was feeling pretty confident. However, at 160 things actually got significantly harder, because instead of encountering the occasional twink or whatever, I was suddenly surrounded by decked out 810s. I'm now just under 450CP and only recently started getting that confidence back that I had in under 50s. So I don't really see a point in waiting.

Miragent

(Catered to) twinking has always been a thing in MMOs, but during this event, for every twink there are 20 dormant crafting horse training alts with no skills and sets getting their War Horns and Vigors what not sorted with event boxes thrown in the mix, and people of various levels of preparedness (is that a word?) farming them. Everyone gets something. Given the sheer randomness of BGs, that twink who destroyed and farmed you this run, might carry you the next run, and those ungeared, unskilled alts that hinder your run now, might be your food next run.

OP seems a bit fixated on a tiny fraction of all the huge vast amount of various ESO content - under 50 BG. There are many other ways to benefit from the event, you don't have to focus on just one or do them all. I for one absolutely hate IC, I get my daily done (with a lot of frustration) and get the hell out of there, whereas I enjoy BGs - even in my generic divines. Or "meditate" in Cyro, joining and leaving zerg at will.

Enjoy your under 50 while it lasts. Once you hit 50, BGs will be very depressing for a while.

Stanx

Sounds really annoying! You can always do a scout mission in Cryo for the event tickets. If you want to do it super easy then go into a dead campaign. Will take a few minutes

EvilAutoTech

After playing for 2 months, your mount should be near max speed. I would suggest scouting missions for your under 50 event tickets. Sometimes you have to ride for several minutes, but getting back to the quest board should only take seconds (hint: you can spawn at your turn in location after you die). The under 50 campaign is almost always low pop and you may not even see an enemy player.

Also, if you are committed to only doing battle grounds, abandon the quest for 3 wins. There are quests with easier requirements like participate in 5 matches or earn 1000 medal points. You can keep abandoning the bg quest and taking another until you get the one you want.

Galwylin

DTAmoral wrote: »

@Galwylin I didn't tell OP he had to stop doing the event...

What bothered me most was the idea he was crying wanting the game to change. We all want the game to change in vary degree. The idea of essentially telling someone to shut up just because the game is that way just isn't acceptable. Simply stating that's the way the game works and this is what you'll have to do to meet that is fine. It was the stop crying, learn to play etc etc. That to me needs to stop because you simply wouldn't tell that to someone if you were playing soccer in the real world because belittling someone in person can have an entirely different outcome than it does online. Depending on how close you are to the person can still be a coin toss.

One reason I've given options to people looking to only get the tickets is yes it may seem unfair because you aren't on the same playing level as your opponents so use different characters than what you are. Look at the bars of campaigns and make judgement based on them. Because there's nothing currently to be done if you're wanting to find someone to match you well. All that goes out the window if you're simply wanting to a fight between yourself and someone else because they've been told to learn to play and come back when they have. There might not be massive numbers of his same situation but they do exist. They only got the message to bow out beforehand.

This is unfortunate to me because some of those same people will go their entire life in ESO thinking this part of the game isn't for me. Its difficult and not welcoming. Its well known that once you have a customer its far more easy to keep them than win them back because some simply won't respond again. The hatred some have expressed towards this event is evident that at some point they learned to loath PVP. The same could be said about any group based activity and why some are so resistance to all forms of it. Perhaps some feel that making events PVP only is the game asking them to be ridiculed and victimized again for all I know.

We'd all be shocked if that come from an official customer service agent. But in the most important ways we all are representing this community. I know what forum communities look like when they are all so busy looking down on each other. It says something about the game itself and the experience you will have if you play it. Its still a novelty within game (for me at least) but eventually it happens and I think we need to shut it down before it goes too far. Especially for someone just two months in. I still think the changes started Morrowind have led to more radical and nonsensical shifts that make telling someone to learn to play eye rolling. I don't keep up with things well enough to know the option of light attacks restoring resources didn't go through or that healing was pointless in battlegrounds so kept it on my bars. If someone had said learn to play it would have sounded like whatever colorful language you could think of and for some I'm not sure that wouldn't have been the intention.

AmoralOne

@Galwylin I see what you are saying, but my point still stands that someone with 2 months experience in this game shouldn't be asking for changes until he/she has fully invested into it, and has reached that end game point. Which referring to BG's is reached once you get to CP 160.

If you get to CP 160, have all the right gears, and all the right traits, and THEN you think you see something over performing, speak up we can have that conversation.

However for this scenario right now, there isnt a way to help this person aside from them learning to play, and leveling up to cp 160.

We could give them all the advice in the world, but it makes no difference if they are CP 50 rocking blue and purple random gear.

Galwylin

DTAmoral wrote: »

@Galwylin I see what you are saying, but my point still stands that someone with 2 months experience in this game shouldn't be asking for changes until he/she has fully invested into it, and has reached that end game point. Which referring to BG's is reached once you get to CP 160.

I think we're just at an impasse. In my opinion, two months is more than enough time to expect not to be in as bad a position for an event. The fact we all know why he is shows how poorly the game is working in this regard. Its not even a learn to play issue. Its a learn to research one. The complexity of the game is no where touched upon within it which itself is a failure. Finally, the purchase price of this game gives every one of us the right to request changes if we see an issue. Or rave about it if we wish. Which I think I did at first.

Agenericname

Galwylin wrote: »

DTAmoral wrote: »

@Galwylin I see what you are saying, but my point still stands that someone with 2 months experience in this game shouldn't be asking for changes until he/she has fully invested into it, and has reached that end game point. Which referring to BG's is reached once you get to CP 160.

I think we're just at an impasse. In my opinion, two months is more than enough time to expect not to be in as bad a position for an event. The fact we all know why he is shows how poorly the game is working in this regard. Its not even a learn to play issue. Its a learn to research one. The complexity of the game is no where touched upon within it which itself is a failure. Finally, the purchase price of this game gives every one of us the right to request changes if we see an issue. Or rave about it if we wish. Which I think I did at first.

The difference between a player in this position and a vet is knowledge and skill. ESOs combat has it's own learning curve and compounds when added to PvPs learning curve. How does OPs post attempt to resolve this divide?

It contains 2 assumptions that are false and one rhetorical question. Neither do anything to acquire that knowledge.

The first assumption is that the devs are not aware. I'm quite certain that they are. The recent addition of crit resist to base stats was an attempt to help newer and less experienced players.

The second is that it requires no skill. Most people will improve as time goes on, or least they should. 2 months is a drop in the proverbial bucket compared to some.

I've yet to run into a single instance in PvP where I have asked or been asked a question in which the answer even remotely resembled "l2p" or "gud." In fact I've had several conversation with people I've fought and most are quite forthcoming with information when asked. That isn't what happened here though.

We all have priviledge to voice our opinion on the product that we purchased here on the forums. It's not a right on a private forum, however, others also have that same privilege to dismiss it or disagree.

When posed as a sincere question these topics typically lead to different results.

Galwylin

Agenericname wrote: »

We all have priviledge to voice our opinion on the product that we purchased here on the forums. It's not a right on a private forum, however, others also have that same privilege to dismiss it or disagree.

This is where we differ because I'm not saying you shouldn't disagree if you wish. Its the phrasing you used to do so. You open up telling him to stop crying with the usual learn to play and so on. That was where my problem was not you disagreeing. Like I said before we're probably at an impasse.