Mist form

holden_caulfield

Hi,
Can someone confirm or deny that mist form in pve is useless?
It doesnt work against stuns snares or roots. And now i noticed that even its mitigation doesnt work.
Im really trying to use the vampire toolkit but wow what a mess

red_emu

It seems bugged more than before the Vampire changes. In PvP it doesn't work 75% of the time. Sometimes it just doesn't pop but mostly you get the animation then exit the mist form 1 second later.

When rooted or snared it's like 99% chance, that it won't activate.

Since it's one of a couple of actually useful abilities in the new vamp toolkit, I was hoping ZOS would have patched it out today but it looks like it won't be fixed any time soon, so I've healed most of my vampires.

Taking more damage from fire and having a laughable health recovery (which in current patch is like 80% of your healing in combat on non vampire builds), mist form was supposed to be your "Oh-****" button but since it doesn't work, there is no reason to play a vampire in PvP. You might as well just dive off Alessia Bridge at the first sight of any enemy.

MartiniDaniels

In PVE I think it is useless with all the possible heavy damage strikes you will take unlbocked when mist will fail to activate. In PVP I'm using it, but more like previous mist, i.e. escape tool and occasional mist blink on bar swap for damage buff. Hopes to use it as smart magicka block are in vain, it is too unreliable for precise usage.

MartiniDaniels

red_emu wrote: »

It seems bugged more than before the Vampire changes. In PvP it doesn't work 75% of the time. Sometimes it just doesn't pop but mostly you get the animation then exit the mist form 1 second later.

When rooted or snared it's like 99% chance, that it won't activate.

Since it's one of a couple of actually useful abilities in the new vamp toolkit, I was hoping ZOS would have patched it out today but it looks like it won't be fixed any time soon, so I've healed most of my vampires.

Taking more damage from fire and having a laughable health recovery (which in current patch is like 80% of your healing in combat on non vampire builds), mist form was supposed to be your "Oh-****" button but since it doesn't work, there is no reason to play a vampire in PvP. You might as well just dive off Alessia Bridge at the first sight of any enemy.

I disagree about vampire being useless in PVP. I'll say it is freaking amazing. I use stage 3 on all characters (all stamina). You are tanky AF, you move around in perma-stealth at high speed and with legerdemain passive and a bit of CP spent on stealth stam bar is barely depleting at all, i even maintain rally+elude buffed in stealth. Speed of going to stealth is just broken, I simply can roll-dodge and vanish from many outnumbered encounters and then strike fully buffed and unexpected. (no single gank component in a build..)
Vampire stun though tricky and unreliable, but it is very powerful, maybe because absolutely nobody uses it and so people don't expect to be feared from such distance. I got so many easy kills with that stun.
And about fire damage, on previous vampires you could just kite against skilled high dps magDK, otherwise you'll be burned in few GCD. Now it's not the case, susceptibility reduced+buffed undeath, I can now fight with meta magDKs openly without kiting. Sometimes I die, sometimes I win, but it doesn't feel like you are naked like it was before.

holden_caulfield

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

red_emu wrote: »

It seems bugged more than before the Vampire changes. In PvP it doesn't work 75% of the time. Sometimes it just doesn't pop but mostly you get the animation then exit the mist form 1 second later.

When rooted or snared it's like 99% chance, that it won't activate.

Since it's one of a couple of actually useful abilities in the new vamp toolkit, I was hoping ZOS would have patched it out today but it looks like it won't be fixed any time soon, so I've healed most of my vampires.

Taking more damage from fire and having a laughable health recovery (which in current patch is like 80% of your healing in combat on non vampire builds), mist form was supposed to be your "Oh-****" button but since it doesn't work, there is no reason to play a vampire in PvP. You might as well just dive off Alessia Bridge at the first sight of any enemy.

I disagree about vampire being useless in PVP. I'll say it is freaking amazing. I use stage 3 on all characters (all stamina). You are tanky AF, you move around in perma-stealth at high speed and with legerdemain passive and a bit of CP spent on stealth stam bar is barely depleting at all, i even maintain rally+elude buffed in stealth. Speed of going to stealth is just broken, I simply can roll-dodge and vanish from many outnumbered encounters and then strike fully buffed and unexpected. (no single gank component in a build..)
Vampire stun though tricky and unreliable, but it is very powerful, maybe because absolutely nobody uses it and so people don't expect to be feared from such distance. I got so many easy kills with that stun.
And about fire damage, on previous vampires you could just kite against skilled high dps magDK, otherwise you'll be burned in few GCD. Now it's not the case, susceptibility reduced+buffed undeath, I can now fight with meta magDKs openly without kiting. Sometimes I die, sometimes I win, but it doesn't feel like you are naked like it was before.

It's not about how wonderful the new vampire is. My problem lies in the fact that most skills don't work here and there. Specifically mist form in pve. Stupid npc can pull u out of it. It doesn't give u immunity to any soft or hard cc. And in at least a scenario damage mitigation didn't work.
I think it is like that because zos doesn't want player to cheese mechanics but ffs just say so.

And what design is this? Skill's that work only in pvp but the rest of those skills will kill u in less than a second if used in the same pvp.

Vevvev

Mistform has issues and I've mainly been using it for repositioning in PVP and in some cases weaving it into my DPS parse in PVE. It's nice little synergy with the stage 2 passive makes it not 100% useless as it turns it into a super cheap buff that can be scaled up with major and minor sorcery/brutality.

holden_caulfield

IMHO they tried so hard to make a meta class with a numbers of drawbacks that would have discouraged most player to be one to keep the population low but just failed at balancing the risk vs reward aspect. In pve is useless and in pvp bg no top dog is a vampire

holden_caulfield

Vevvev wrote: »

Mistform has issues and I've mainly been using it for repositioning in PVP and in some cases weaving it into my DPS parse in PVE. It's nice little synergy with the stage 2 passive makes it not 100% useless as it turns it into a super cheap buff that can be scaled up with major and minor sorcery/brutality.

OK. For the 300 sp? Losing a GCD and gain 300 sp for 6s is better than don't do that? Already casted dot/aoe don't gain nothing for the sp buff you know that? Damage is calculated at cast time

Sephyr

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

In PVE I think it is useless with all the possible heavy damage strikes you will take unlbocked when mist will fail to activate. In PVP I'm using it, but more like previous mist, i.e. escape tool and occasional mist blink on bar swap for damage buff. Hopes to use it as smart magicka block are in vain, it is too unreliable for precise usage.

Ironically even in PvE it's just as useful as how you use it in PvP. I don't use it so much as an escape, rather mechanic circumvention. Various ground smashes, AoEs, and general one shots in base game dungeons are pretty negligible. I haven't tested on any DLC dungeons yet aside from Moongrave Fane and I was able to get past some boss mechanics there. I use Blood Mist though. It really depends on the playstyle on what one prefers. With Blood Mist, I can soak up health while negating most of the damage as I'm pushing into keeps. I've rarely gotten knocked out with it in Cyrodiil.

Now I will agree that there needs to be some consistency in regards to how Mist Form actually works. Certain things really shouldn't be pulling us out of Mist Form. However, I've adapted to where it fails and I learn from those mistakes.

amm7sb14_ESO

Useless? Not at all. It's actually a fairly integral part of my tank build.

-The mitigation helps with aoe's and other mechanics
-Using Elusive Mist, having Major Expedition is always nice
-Combining it with the Strike From Shadows passive gives me a nice little boost to the damage of my debuffs, sustains, and CC's, which as a necro, many of those also double as aoe dot's
-In PVP, I really notice an effect in aiding survivability. When I was using the Blood Mist morph, I once got a PVP kill by solely using Blood Mist and chasing the guy around. He couldn't damage me (tank caliber health with the 75% mitigation) and I kept damaging him with Mist and healing whatever small damage he could do to me. Was able to keep it up until eventually it killed him

Mist Form and it's 2 morphs are quite possibly my favorite and most used Vampire ability.

technohic

I was using it but I just cant stand the increased cost on abilities. Winds up being a wash having 300 damage out of mist if you have to give up an infused damage glyph for a recovery or cost reduction one. And I have a number of issues as mentioned with Mist form activating on time, or the abilities right after going off. I liked the idea and the playstyle; but the reality was far more harsh.

carlos424

red_emu wrote: »

It seems bugged more than before the Vampire changes. In PvP it doesn't work 75% of the time. Sometimes it just doesn't pop but mostly you get the animation then exit the mist form 1 second later.

When rooted or snared it's like 99% chance, that it won't activate.

Since it's one of a couple of actually useful abilities in the new vamp toolkit, I was hoping ZOS would have patched it out today but it looks like it won't be fixed any time soon, so I've healed most of my vampires.

Taking more damage from fire and having a laughable health recovery (which in current patch is like 80% of your healing in combat on non vampire builds), mist form was supposed to be your "Oh-****" button but since it doesn't work, there is no reason to play a vampire in PvP. You might as well just dive off Alessia Bridge at the first sight of any enemy.

I've had great fun using the blood scion ultimate. It's costly, but is basically like using the eye of the storm, destruction staff ultimate, except that it lasts longer and you are healing for 15% of all damage done, making you very difficult to kill. Pair that with a magplar spamming jabs......ya, just about unkillable. Imagine activating blood scion and leading the charge into a large group of enemy players....lol. They scatter like roaches.

Vevvev

holden_caulfield wrote: »

Vevvev wrote: »

Mistform has issues and I've mainly been using it for repositioning in PVP and in some cases weaving it into my DPS parse in PVE. It's nice little synergy with the stage 2 passive makes it not 100% useless as it turns it into a super cheap buff that can be scaled up with major and minor sorcery/brutality.

OK. For the 300 sp? Losing a GCD and gain 300 sp for 6s is better than don't do that? Already casted dot/aoe don't gain nothing for the sp buff you know that? Damage is calculated at cast time

I'm not sure what you're trying to say and the damage of DoT abilities is not calculated that way. Even if it was you could just simply activate it, get all your DoTs off in the 6 seconds and go back to whatever it is you're doing.

JackDaniell

Precognition took 2ish years to fix, so im expecting a similar timeline on any bugged skills at this point.