Some thoughts on all of the complaints about lag and performance

poorrabbit

I'm just coming back after a few years absence.

I am enjoying the heck out of the new content and also going back to explore the content that has been added since I left (yay for ESO+).
One of the complaints I keep seeing in the forums is about lag and server performance, and it *always* causes me to raise an eyebrow.

I wonder to myself...am I just super lucky?

I have ESO on both Xbox one X and PC. (While I prefer playing on console, my friends all play on PC.)
And here's the thing - I have encountered in game lag exactly zero times.
The only time I've encountered "lag" on the Xbox was loading into Solitude during peak times. But hey, console peasant, right?

I've encountered no lag in dungeons, in the overworld, in town (and Solitude is busy), or during Harrowstorm events (which seem to broken at the moment).

So I got to thinking - how can all these people have so much lag and I don't?

While my machine was custom built for gaming, it's also 6 years old (except for the GPU which is 3 years old).
Heck, ESO isn't even installed on my SSD, it's on my platter disk. Even so, load times are way better than on the Xbox :-P

Maybe - just maybe - it's not ALL Bethesda's fault.

I'm not saying *none* of it is, but maybe - a bunch of the issues that are being seen are due to overall network congestion caused by all the people
working staying home during these times of Covid-19. All these people watching netflix, working from home and having Zoom/Skype meetings, etc.

Netflix actually cut the resolution on their videos for a while in certain regions because they were generating so much traffic and didn't want to destroy the internet.

Just a thought.

Chilly-McFreeze

Just take a stroll to cyrodiil in the evening.

dinokstrunz

Go to Cyrodiil, do trials and group dungeons. You will very much encounter lag filled instances. The content that people want to enjoy isn't doable because the game is so unplayable and the issues always seem to be much more severe on EU. This has been an issue for ESO long before Covid-19 pandemic.

VividMind

i agree. and actually i'ma respond to those people above. YOU are wrong here let me explain. i got ryzen 7 3700x and 1660 nvidia graphics card and basically mine bottlenecks and it runs completely fine in dungeons go look at my youtube proof right there lol and me and my friend ran a dungeon together 2 man all normal dungeons and i been to cyrodiil too with my friend and there is no issues at all my friend even has a bad pc it's very bad he has intel 5500 graphics and worst specs than that. and he still plays but still doesn't lag. has graphic issues rn but he's dealing with it and funny how he doesn't lag with a pc that basically doesn't run eso...

we haven't done trials though but i'm from beta and i haven't touched pve that often at all i'm straight pvp player on all mmo rpg games. so that's just me

VividMind

dinokstrunz wrote: »

Go to Cyrodiil, do trials and group dungeons. You will very much encounter lag filled instances. The content that people want to enjoy isn't doable because the game is so unplayable and the issues always seem to be much more severe on EU. This has been an issue for ESO long before Covid-19 pandemic.

i will agree though with the delay'ed spells complaint i been through it and it's bs lol

mairwen85

VividMind wrote: »

i agree. and actually i'ma respond to those people above. YOU are wrong here let me explain. i got ryzen 7 3700x and 1660 nvidia graphics card and basically mine bottlenecks and it runs completely fine in dungeons go look at my youtube proof right there lol and me and my friend ran a dungeon together 2 man all normal dungeons and i been to cyrodiil too with my friend and there is no issues at all my friend even has a bad pc it's very bad he has intel 5500 graphics and worst specs than that. and he still plays but still doesn't lag. has graphic issues rn but he's dealing with it and funny how he doesn't lag with a pc that basically doesn't run eso...

we haven't done trials though but i'm from beta and i haven't touched pve that often at all i'm straight pvp player on all mmo rpg games. so that's just me

What are you actually saying? There is no lag in Cyrodiil? It's all just people's internet connection and you can assure this is the case because of the systems you and your friend use? (what your graphics card and cpu specs have to do with network traffic I don't know).

You know your hardware can't affect the remote server's performance either, right?

poorrabbit

dinokstrunz wrote: »

Go to Cyrodiil, do trials and group dungeons. You will very much encounter lag filled instances. The content that people want to enjoy isn't doable because the game is so unplayable and the issues always seem to be much more severe on EU. This has been an issue for ESO long before Covid-19 pandemic.

While I am most certainly not a PVP-er (going to get me butt handed to me, I'm sure), I'll check it out, as I really am curious.

mairwen85

poorrabbit wrote: »

dinokstrunz wrote: »

Go to Cyrodiil, do trials and group dungeons. You will very much encounter lag filled instances. The content that people want to enjoy isn't doable because the game is so unplayable and the issues always seem to be much more severe on EU. This has been an issue for ESO long before Covid-19 pandemic.

While I am most certainly not a PVP-er (going to get me butt handed to me, I'm sure), I'll check it out, as I really am curious.

It's hard to pass judgement and analysis on a situation you haven't experienced.

VividMind

mairwen85 wrote: »

VividMind wrote: »

i agree. and actually i'ma respond to those people above. YOU are wrong here let me explain. i got ryzen 7 3700x and 1660 nvidia graphics card and basically mine bottlenecks and it runs completely fine in dungeons go look at my youtube proof right there lol and me and my friend ran a dungeon together 2 man all normal dungeons and i been to cyrodiil too with my friend and there is no issues at all my friend even has a bad pc it's very bad he has intel 5500 graphics and worst specs than that. and he still plays but still doesn't lag. has graphic issues rn but he's dealing with it and funny how he doesn't lag with a pc that basically doesn't run eso...

we haven't done trials though but i'm from beta and i haven't touched pve that often at all i'm straight pvp player on all mmo rpg games. so that's just me

What are you actually saying? There is no lag in Cyrodiil? It's all just people's internet connection and you can assure this is the case because of the systems you and your friend use? (what your graphics card and cpu specs have to do with network traffic I don't know).

You know your hardware can't affect the remote server's performance either, right?

you do realize i got bad wifi and those lag excuses you guys come up with don't add up to my experiences

Khatou

poorrabbit wrote: »

dinokstrunz wrote: »

Go to Cyrodiil, do trials and group dungeons. You will very much encounter lag filled instances. The content that people want to enjoy isn't doable because the game is so unplayable and the issues always seem to be much more severe on EU. This has been an issue for ESO long before Covid-19 pandemic.

While I am most certainly not a PVP-er (going to get me butt handed to me, I'm sure), I'll check it out, as I really am curious.

and that's precisely why you don't understand why there are so many complaints if you're a PVP player, because where the major problems are is precisely in PVP, where the devs don't give a *** to worry about it, but they're the ones who added the PVP...

Now I came back on ESO and I'm already starting to regret my re-subscription in PVP it seems to be even worse than before a ping that goes "YOYO" and yet I have nothing that turns on the side, Zenimax this crazy clearly from the mouth of PVP players !!!


and that's precisely why you don't understand why so many complaints, if you're an EVP player, because where the major problems are, it's precisely in PVP, the devs don't give a *** to worry about it, but yet they're the ones who added the PVP...

Now I came back on ESO and I'm already starting to regret my re-subscription in PVP it seems to be even worse than before a ping that goes "YOYO" and yet I have nothing that turns on the side, Zenimax this crazy clearly from the mouth of PVP players !!!

(and no more I don't want to hold myself back from a studio like that full of money and do nothing to improve things, even their so-called performance plan only makes things worse...)

ItsJustHashtag

8700k/2080ti/google fiber internet can play every game at highest settings and it performs fine. Play eso and it’s so bad and medium grade settings.

Sanguinor2

If it is my System why do I only lag in Eso? Why not in other multiplayer games? Why is my average ping in Eso around 100 when my average ping in other games doesnt go above 30? Does my ISP just not like Eso and they slow down my Internet Connection whenever I turn on Eso?

lucky_Sage

There is definitely server side lag in this game
Skill delay mostly in BG’s and cyro but I’ve had it in open world.
There is also days where I’m trying to farm and I run to a mat to harvest in world and I go to it and then it disappears because I’m behind and someone else has looted it. And there is none around looting it when I’m it would have to be looted before I’m there.
In BG’s I have been told I was immune to dodge and heals and other self targeted abilities. Also have died with of 50% hp because I was behind that person

xXMeowMeowXx

Then stay and have fun. Though I doubt you would notice much, since you play eso very causally.

That’s the problem because casual players are not playing PvP at a high level or regularly. No Vet trials either. You didn’t even comment on known issues with Greymoor that Rich himself has....

There are a majority of players that have not stopped playing eso, that are legitimately upset. Cyro and trials have particularly suffered.

The performance has been very bad where high apm is needed. Endgame and main campaigns are a horrible experience for most, tbh.

It has become so bad that even low-key content creators have made recent vids on eso’ performance. That’s their livelihood, so trust me they certainly want eso to work like it use to.

A lot of the unique issues started and have stayed after the infamous performance update 25....

On the performance issues

-ZOS has commented
-(well known) Content Creators have commented
-Your fellow players have commented

Because there is an issue

relentless_turnip

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My computer is incredible and my internet connection is fibre optic. Before February I could have actually agreed with a post like this. People's complaints seemed minor and I thought it ran beautifully considering what it is calculating. There are enough videos to entirely disprove your nonsense. I could go to cyrodiil right now and show you serious problems that make the game unplayable.

I was playing in no cp last night and decided I might as well just record all the separate issues I encountered. I thought I could present it as information that could be helpful. After 2 hours I realised it would be a lot of work for something that would almost definetly be ignored and deleted considering just how many issues occurred. Beyond desyncs and skill delay, random slow downs where everyone moves in slow motion. Where you get stuck in place randomly and can't do anything for a solid minute😂

Why not go watch @FENGRUSH or Kristofer. They both display continuous problems during their stream. These individuals make a living from this game, it is not their interest to say anything detriment to its success.

I'm not sure what your agenda is, but it doesn't help the community or the game.

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poorrabbit

relentless_turnip wrote: »

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I have no agenda.

It was an honest question. And my thoughts were just those that occurred to me.
I will check out some of the vids you mention.

I'm am just trying to understand what the issues are. I ask because I don't see them.
While I see many post complaining about PVP lag issues, I also see many posts complaining
about lag issues in general, without noting that they are PVP specific.

I was, in fact, not saying that "it's not ZOS, it's you". I was, in fact, proposing that network congesting
in general might be a factor. Which is neither ZOS nor you.

And here's the thing: I have learned something today. Thank you to those that have clarified their issues.

And yes, as noted by someone above: I am a filthy casual.

tgrippa

Anyone who says the game is fine when all they do is roleplay and dungeons is only saying that because their limited play style shields them from the issues, either that or they do not know what to look for so they do not see the issues, so no need to get mad at them. If they ever do venture into the exciting world of raiding and PvP they will soon see what the rest of us see.

Desyncs on skills and player position, rubber banding, skills locking up and suddenly all firing at once, Olms getting stuck in the air after jumping 10,000 times - these issues are not due to my powerful pc and full fibre internet connection that maintains buttery smooth max FPS and low latency in every game I play (except fallout 76 and ESO). These issues are purely down to ZOS’ code and servers.

I mean I have more issues in ESO then playing on some kid’s homebrew modded basement server in Rust. Poor example I know, but hilarious nonetheless.

relentless_turnip

poorrabbit wrote: »

relentless_turnip wrote: »

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I have no agenda.

It was an honest question. And my thoughts were just those that occurred to me.
I will check out some of the vids you mention.

I'm am just trying to understand what the issues are. I ask because I don't see them.
While I see many post complaining about PVP lag issues, I also see many posts complaining
about lag issues in general, without noting that they are PVP specific.

I was, in fact, not saying that "it's not ZOS, it's you". I was, in fact, proposing that network congesting
in general might be a factor. Which is neither ZOS nor you.

And here's the thing: I have learned something today. Thank you to those that have clarified their issues.

And yes, as noted by someone above: I am a filthy casual.

My apologies then... I hope you appreciate we get a lot of threads that are intended differently.

Go into cyrodiil ( grey host) at about 8pm and you'll see what people are upset about. It will be apparent from the moment you mount. It does occur rarely overland, there I don't have an issue at all. Endgame stuff where a lot of skills are being fired continuously is where the issues mainly arise.

Tammany

There is only one thing worse than awful pvp lag - people who want to justify these lags with pandemic internet problems.

poorrabbit

Tammany wrote: »

There is only one thing worse than awful pvp lag - people who want to justify these lags with pandemic internet problems.

I wasn't justifying anything. I was honestly asking a question to better understand.

If PVP and Raids is where the lag is horrifying, then I consider myself lucky that my play style (to put it as someone above did) shields me from such issues. I'm in it for the lore and for exploration, well that and murdering mobs. That said, I may find ESO pvp interesting and plan to explore it in the near future.

RefLiberty

ItsJustHashtag wrote: »

8700k/2080ti/google fiber internet can play every game at highest settings and it performs fine. Play eso and it’s so bad and medium grade settings.

This.

Arunei

VividMind wrote: »

i agree. and actually i'ma respond to those people above. YOU are wrong here let me explain. i got ryzen 7 3700x and 1660 nvidia graphics card and basically mine bottlenecks and it runs completely fine in dungeons go look at my youtube proof right there lol and me and my friend ran a dungeon together 2 man all normal dungeons and i been to cyrodiil too with my friend and there is no issues at all my friend even has a bad pc it's very bad he has intel 5500 graphics and worst specs than that. and he still plays but still doesn't lag. has graphic issues rn but he's dealing with it and funny how he doesn't lag with a pc that basically doesn't run eso...

we haven't done trials though but i'm from beta and i haven't touched pve that often at all i'm straight pvp player on all mmo rpg games. so that's just me

Hmmmm yes, ZOS has been working on a performance roadmap for months and months because the issues lay on the players' ends and not with with servers. Makes perfect sense they'd have an entire update dedicated to performance (which made things worse for many people) for problems that aren't originating on their end.

This mindset of "lol I as a single person not having problems must mean the slew of people reporting the same issues, despite many of those people having good connections and solid machines, are all lying or wrong and it's all their fault" never ceases to baffle me.

Athyrium93

Honestly I really haven't experienced the lag that most people talk about. It's either good, or the game kicks me with little in between. Even playing with 300ish ping I don't see much lag even in cyrodiil. BUT skills do take way longer to fire than it takes streamers in videos to get theirs to fire, and by way longer I mean 100-200ms

RobDaCool

I'm on the PS4 and I either don't lag or I just don't notice it.

I may be used to lag as I once played WoW on a Walmart PC using dial-up.

West93

Reading these comments makes me want to make a video and prove it.

I could go overland or IC sewers, do some light attack and jab rotation into pve monsters, basically no problem and no to little lag, then queue up at 3 pop locked cyrodiil campaign (grayhost or ravenwatch) at 11 pm (gmt/utc+3), go to a dolmen, doing same rotation jabs cancel out itself in middle of channel, light attack desync, skills delayed by 2 seconds at least, cast rally 3 times to have it work etc.

At cyrodiil, skills don't work at prime time, but if I go to overland pve content, BG's or IC, skills do work with maybe little lag at random, if cyrodiil has 1 or 2 bar population with no big ball groups then lag isn't much noticeable.

I don't do pve trials though, but that's my performance experience and I play PC EU.

NoodleESO

poorrabbit wrote: »

I'm just coming back after a few years absence.

I am enjoying the heck out of the new content and also going back to explore the content that has been added since I left (yay for ESO+).
One of the complaints I keep seeing in the forums is about lag and server performance, and it *always* causes me to raise an eyebrow.

I wonder to myself...am I just super lucky?

I have ESO on both Xbox one X and PC. (While I prefer playing on console, my friends all play on PC.)
And here's the thing - I have encountered in game lag exactly zero times.
The only time I've encountered "lag" on the Xbox was loading into Solitude during peak times. But hey, console peasant, right?

I've encountered no lag in dungeons, in the overworld, in town (and Solitude is busy), or during Harrowstorm events (which seem to broken at the moment).

So I got to thinking - how can all these people have so much lag and I don't?

While my machine was custom built for gaming, it's also 6 years old (except for the GPU which is 3 years old).
Heck, ESO isn't even installed on my SSD, it's on my platter disk. Even so, load times are way better than on the Xbox :-P

Maybe - just maybe - it's not ALL Bethesda's fault.

I'm not saying *none* of it is, but maybe - a bunch of the issues that are being seen are due to overall network congestion caused by all the people
working staying home during these times of Covid-19. All these people watching netflix, working from home and having Zoom/Skype meetings, etc.

Netflix actually cut the resolution on their videos for a while in certain regions because they were generating so much traffic and didn't want to destroy the internet.

Just a thought.

OP comes back to the game after a few years and then tells us "there's no lag bro"...... okay. Why did you feel the need to weigh in on a situation that's been on going for years when you just picked up- im not even gonna finish this post.

Vevvev

These performance issues are created by ZOS's servers and the calculations being run on them, not exactly our gaming rigs or connection. When I walk into Cyrodiil and it takes 2-3 seconds just to mount up something is wrong, and in every single engagement me and everyone else struggles to get skills off. I've even had my flame whips cancel mid air which made no sense at all, and I've been fighting in one location only to suddenly be teleported several blocks away. I still remember that one time I used the chain pull on someone and 8 seconds later it yanked them to that spot I pulled them from.

Princess_Ciri

Very silly to hear people blaming covid 19 as the reason for the lag. ESO has lagged for years and had bad server performance so I doubt that is why (though it likely is not helping the situation).

Eva13

Yea, in empty campaign while fighting with doors you won't get any lags Same as solo rushing through normal fungal grotto 1

Alamakot

Eva13 wrote: »

Yea, in empty campaign while fighting with doors you won't get any lags Same as solo rushing through normal fungal grotto 1

Are you sure?
Some days ago I could not sleep so I went to empty Campaign on EU about 4-5am GMT just to pick several treasure maps I've been gathered. Maybe 4-5 players from each alliance on the map doing some resource gaining (seen one single enemy traveling somewhere). Practically no changes in performance - usual 12-15 LS in Northern part between Warden and Arrius and skill delay at dolmen

MincVinyl

Everything OP described had nothing to do with server lag. No matter what computer you have, what diamond plated cat6 cables you run, what aluminati run ISP you have, nothing changes how the ZOS servers run the game. FPS is not the same thing as server lag.

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Recent developments made me start recording to pass on to zos, so I made a playlist with some clips. I explain alot of the sources of lag and how to fix them in the various descriptions.