Do you think we'll ever get Class Change token, and should we?

Twilanthe

I'm mostly a one character person and a bit of a completionist. I just have my khajiit necromancer healer. I love my khajiit, and I love healing, but I have fallen out of love with the Necromancer. I'd really rather play a Warden.

I know that I could just make an alt, level to 50, and I'd get all my CP. I wouldn't get all the skills/skyshards I've unlocked from hunting those down, though I could pay a small fortune to get them off the crown store. I could even give all my healing gear to my warden and be ready to get back into PVE at the same level I was on my Necromancer within a day or two. And that's great, not many MMOs are that alt friendly.

But I am pretty much a one character person. I don't want to log into a character just to do crafting stuff or antiquities stuff because they are the one that has those skill lines maxed out. Or use one character to do new content/quests with because they're the one that does that, and just log into my Warden for PVE. That's just not me. If I decided I wanted to be a Warden more than anything, I'd make a warden and begin the long and tedious process of unlocking EVERYTHING on that character too and going through all the quests in the game, again. And my necromancer would be forgotten.

I may be in the small minority here, but I am in a situation where I'd pay a pretty penny to be able to change my Necromancer to a Warden.

I don't know how it is with the ESO community, but I know other MMO communities are staunchly against the idea of class changes because of the imbalance that would cause as everyone jumps to the meta, and you'd have max level character's running around not knowing how to play their class. But I kind of feel like ESO wouldn't be so strongly effected by that. I don't know about other builds but Necro-Healer and Warden-Healer have all the same gear and resto staff/destro staff staples, with only like 4-5 class abilities. I don't think it would be a huge learning curve, at least in my case. I'm also not sure ESO really has a meta that would cause everyone to jump ship. Maybe in PVP? I don't know, I don't PVP. But I think for most people who care enough about whatever the flavor of the month class is, ESO makes it easy enough for them to just jump on an alt. I think its really the completionists like me that would even really care about a class change.

I dunno, at this point I'm just rambling on the forums to procrastinate rolling a Warden alt...

What do you think?

Mettaricana

I'd be surprised if that isnt in option by next year... at this point it makes no difference between anyone now

Nestor

If you are willing to buy a class change token, just buy some Sky Shards, the Mages and Undaunted Skill lines. It will cost you less than what a Class Change Token would cost.

You can level to 50 doing the Dolmen Grind, and grab a bunch of overland skyshard in a day.

starlizard70ub17_ESO

At first I'd say no, but the introduction of the alliance change token, sure why not. But as easy as it is to level a character up to level 50, I see almost no reason to waste crowns/$$$ on it. There is only one reason I can think of to buy a class change token. I have a Stamblade who's level 38 in the cryodiil alliance war. It would be nice to get to Grand Overlord, lvl 50, with title, dyes, etc that goes with it. But with a stamblades current conditions, it's not likely to happen. But magpler healer could actually go from lvl 38 to lvl 50 in Cryodiil within my lifetime. That's the only reason I can think of to get a class change token, and even then I have my doubts.

VaranisArano

For the moment, no, ZOS is making much more money off of selling skyshard packs and skill lines.

In the future, when ZOS has exhausted that source of revenue and figures they can get a fresh infusion of cash from players willing to pay to jump straight into the latest meta class (and not whine when ZOS changes the meta the next update), then probably.

BalticBlues

The Clown Store sells skyshards, skill lines, race changes and even Alliance change tokens.
ZOS certainly will sell class change tokens as soon as they are able to do this technically.

Athyrium93

I wouldn't be opposed to it, but the caveat would have to be that the new class skill lines start at zero and must be leveled up, maybe even a requirement that they can only be leveled though questing and overland content. Something to make it necessary to actually learn the class.
Or even better, make all the achievements and stuff account bound. then it doesn't matter and you can just buy shy shards and guild skill lines for the other character.

richo262

Twilanthe wrote: »

I'm mostly a one character person and a bit of a completionist. I just have my khajiit necromancer healer. I love my khajiit, and I love healing, but I have fallen out of love with the Necromancer. I'd really rather play a Warden.

I know that I could just make an alt, level to 50, and I'd get all my CP. I wouldn't get all the skills/skyshards I've unlocked from hunting those down, though I could pay a small fortune to get them off the crown store. I could even give all my healing gear to my warden and be ready to get back into PVE at the same level I was on my Necromancer within a day or two. And that's great, not many MMOs are that alt friendly.

But I am pretty much a one character person. I don't want to log into a character just to do crafting stuff or antiquities stuff because they are the one that has those skill lines maxed out. Or use one character to do new content/quests with because they're the one that does that, and just log into my Warden for PVE. That's just not me. If I decided I wanted to be a Warden more than anything, I'd make a warden and begin the long and tedious process of unlocking EVERYTHING on that character too and going through all the quests in the game, again. And my necromancer would be forgotten.

I may be in the small minority here, but I am in a situation where I'd pay a pretty penny to be able to change my Necromancer to a Warden.

I don't know how it is with the ESO community, but I know other MMO communities are staunchly against the idea of class changes because of the imbalance that would cause as everyone jumps to the meta, and you'd have max level character's running around not knowing how to play their class. But I kind of feel like ESO wouldn't be so strongly effected by that. I don't know about other builds but Necro-Healer and Warden-Healer have all the same gear and resto staff/destro staff staples, with only like 4-5 class abilities. I don't think it would be a huge learning curve, at least in my case. I'm also not sure ESO really has a meta that would cause everyone to jump ship. Maybe in PVP? I don't know, I don't PVP. But I think for most people who care enough about whatever the flavor of the month class is, ESO makes it easy enough for them to just jump on an alt. I think its really the completionists like me that would even really care about a class change.

I dunno, at this point I'm just rambling on the forums to procrastinate rolling a Warden alt...

What do you think?

I'd prefer a system that lets you merge 3 characters of the same class into 1 character with multiple loadouts. Essentially reducing your 18 character slots to 6, one for each class. Resulting in 1 very robust Dragonknight that can have a PVP build, Tank, Healer, Mag DPS, Stam DPS, vMA etc. Presently, other than RP players, most players just have 1 or 2 mains and the rest are simply builds. Having 'outfit slots' double as 'load out slots' would let you have 6 x 10 = 60 potential builds rather than 18.

My recommendation, if you start a Warden, start with Psijic, use addons, collect all mages books and overworld skyshards along the way in proximity. Also start your warden as a tank and collect all Dungeon skill points when that Dungeon becomes available. Do the main quest for XP between Dungeon unlocks. At level 50, respec to whatever you want.

Between the shards from psijic, dungeons and main quest, you will get so many skill points you'd be able to hit any build you want.

mocap

it seems you just need to create another role. Keep your khajiit healer as main, but create a new character for tank role, then DD role (or vice versa). Ultimately - PvP character.

From this moment you can play your main (quests, dungeons, etc) till you get bored, then just switch to tank or DD, or go nuts in PvP.

Kiralyn2000

Maybe, and No.

(Personally, I'm an alt-a-holic. I don't see any reason to pay for a class change - or race, or face, or whatever - when I can just make a new character. Of course, I also don't have the "I must have All The Things Maxed Out to consider it a playable character" thing, so... /shrug)

Aigym_Hlervu

As a player who has been playing video games as a mage for 25 years (a warlock type of that class basically, though the specialization changes from game to game) and a sorcerer type of mage in TES series especially, I understand you quite well, OP. I have reasons to be a sorcerer there irrespectively of all those buffs and debuffs the devs do to the class in their patches in ESO. What I don't understand is why did you choose a Necromancer class if you think the Warden suits you better? I presume you might have forgotten the reason of your previous choice and now your mind plays a trick, no ? It might trick you further until you finally decide who you are in this wonderful world of Nirn and why .

Twilanthe

Again, I get that making an alt is a walk in the park, and would take no time at all to be up to scratch for PVE/Build stuff.

That's not why I would want a class change token. It's all the work that isn't so easy. I've done half the quests on my necromancer, and I want to do every quest in the game on just the one character. I've been going through in release order, even doing the main story and guilds along with the zones in order so as to maintain continuity where I can.

I've also gotten almost all traits researched but nirnhoned, and my horse is fully fed on all 3 skills.

And there are smaller albeit quicker grinds that I just don't ever want to do again. Like leveling up assault line in PVP to get warhorn. Yeah its not a long grind but I never want to set foot in PVP again if I can avoid it. Leveling up antiquities, didn't take too long but I'd hate to grind it again.

I would have no problem at all having to level the new class lines from scratch if I could keep the rest.

It's really not at all about getting my character pve/build progression up to max. For me that's like 5% of the game. It's the other 95% I care about.

But based on the response I feel I'm a minority in that regard and most people don't really care about the quests and stuff, or don't care about it all being completed on one character. I think I'm relatively alone in that. But I was the same in WoW, I rolled a hunter on day 1 launch and kept that character through everything. They were the one I took to each new expansion to do all the quests and unlock everything, for every single one. I made alts but I just felt I HAD to do everything on that one character, and any time I rolled an alt I just never enjoyed it because I wanted to spend my time on my main.

In ESO it's almost more frustrating though, because class is such a small thing, 3 skill lines and that's it. Even my build from necro-healer to necro-warden would only be changing a max total of 5 skills on my bar. It just seems so silly to me to re-do all the work I put into my necromancer just to change out 3 skills.

I dunno, I'm probably not making sense to anyone. It's just how I feel. And I get they wouldn't add something in game that just one person really wants.

Allielieu

You’re not the only one op, minority? Maybe.
But I’ve already seen seen a couple of threads wanting a class change token.

I would love a class change token because I’m a lazy dude and I love my achievements (alliance ranks, titles, etc...) It would be honestly nice to try a different class and enjoy it with prior achievements instead of using that time to grind it again.

Class change tokens would be a really nice addition to those who just don’t have time to make alts or level up from 1-50, those who base their eso career on one character, or a combination of both. It allows people to try new classes without sacrificing time (maybe a lot of money tho).

In regards to arguments about sky shards and skill lines that can be bought, I would rather pay a full class change rather than having to not only level 1-50 and then spending money on top of that.

Sadly, if class change tokens were introduced it would most likely be an expensive purchase, because of the purchases they would lose from skill line and sky shard upgrades; but this would really help those struggling to make time to play games by allowing them to try other classes without the grind.

Arunei

Every time this topic comes up, everyone always jumps on the same tired argument of "but it's so easy and fast to grind an alt to 50!" without realizing that's not why people would want a Class change token. For a lot of people they have one character they do all their stuff on, all their questing, their PvE, their achieves, etc. Rolling another alt to do PvE with means these people effectively have to juggle two characters as opposed to the one they would prefer to stick with, because it's their main and mains are called mains for a reason. It's not the grind from 3 to 50 that people have a problem with, it's wanting to keep everything they do to one character, and it's about having to get all their Skyshards and Guild lines and stuff again for a new character.

Also, it's kind of hypocritical to me how everyone spouts about how easy it is to grind to level 50, "just do Dolmen trains" everyone says, but then they turn around and complain about no one knowing how to play their class because "they just did Dolmen trains". Like...when you tell people how easy it is to grind a new character to max level by doing x or y, you can't get mad when they do that very thing then suddenly don't know how to really play their character.

It's also weird that people go on about how having Skyshards and stuff in the Crown Store makes things too easy and what have you, yet every time this topic comes up people are always shepherded to the CS because "it's so easy to get an alt character up to speed, just buy stuff from the CS!".

Also I personally don't see how anyone can grind a character from 3 to 50 in just a few days. Leveling is such a slog to me that I have to break it up over usually a few weeks.

Edited because I can't word for the life of me.

Tryxus

We'll prob get those after ZOS has released some more new classes...

... and figured out the technology on how to enable a class change...

... though it will still come with a few bugs

luen79rwb17_ESO

Unfortunately in my case this token would do nothing at this point since I just have an excess of characters for any class

Tommy_The_Gun

It is only a matter of time.

Similar as with Alliance Change token. No, no, we will never get it, ZOS wants us to buy new character slots & grind new characters from level 3 to 50... oh look, we have Alliance Change token.

Same for class change token. They wont make Achievements Account bound (they are character bound), since this is something they can monetize (just like they did with skill lines). Selling achievements in store will look bad, so they will monetize it by allowing to change class, simple as that.

Agenericname

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

It is only a matter of time.

Similar as with Alliance Change token. No, no, we will never get it, ZOS wants us to buy new character slots & grind new characters from level 3 to 50... oh look, we have Alliance Change token.

Same for class change token. They wont make Achievements Account bound (they are character bound), since this is something they can monetize (just like they did with skill lines). Selling achievements in store will look bad, so they will monetize it by allowing to change class, simple as that.

I don't doubt that, but I think it's far enough away that in the OP's case leveling a warden may be more efficient.

I get the argument and the reasoning, but i think it's still a bit away.

Arunei

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

It is only a matter of time.

Similar as with Alliance Change token. No, no, we will never get it, ZOS wants us to buy new character slots & grind new characters from level 3 to 50... oh look, we have Alliance Change token.

Same for class change token. They wont make Achievements Account bound (they are character bound), since this is something they can monetize (just like they did with skill lines). Selling achievements in store will look bad, so they will monetize it by allowing to change class, simple as that.

I dunno, I can see them making certain achieves purchasable with the same restriction in place that you had to have gotten it on one other character before you can buy it. Really long slogs like Master Angler or something. Then again I can also 100% see them never doing that, because it's those slogs that make it seem like more people are playing for longer.

Rake

Maybe
and No

Jaimeh

Available soon in a crown store next to you!

It will likely happen sooner than later, the only argument I can imagine against it is that if someone changes their class, all the achievements pre-token were cleared in the previous class, and not the new one, yet the new class will also have them.

yRaven

No
and i don't care, change it at will, it don't make any difference with how fast is to level a character in this game

gatekeeper13

I think we are never getting a Class change token. It won't be financially profitable for ZOS.

And yes, we should get one. My main character's class is one I don't particularly like and would like to change it because he has tons of achievements unlocked, all traits researched, mount maxed, etc etc

But guess what? I can't. I should make new toons, collect skyshards, unlock skill lines, farm XP, research traits, upgrade mount etc.