Stam Vampire

Banegrivm

Is this even feasible? I see everything with a vampire is magicka related. Is it even worth being a vampire if you have a stam based character?

redspecter23

If you like a few of the perks, you can get some use out of it. Invis while sprinting can have uses. I'd have to say that it meshes much better with magicka though and from a pve standpoint, if I'm not using blood for blood, I'd be hard pressed to find a good reason to want all my other stuff to cost that much more. You could use blood for blood as a stam spammable but the way CP works will hold in back a bit.

Banegrivm

redspecter23 wrote: »

If you like a few of the perks, you can get some use out of it. Invis while sprinting can have uses. I'd have to say that it meshes much better with magicka though and from a pve standpoint, if I'm not using blood for blood, I'd be hard pressed to find a good reason to want all my other stuff to cost that much more. You could use blood for blood as a stam spammable but the way CP works will hold in back a bit.

What do you mean by the way CP works?

Nova_J

Banegrivm wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

If you like a few of the perks, you can get some use out of it. Invis while sprinting can have uses. I'd have to say that it meshes much better with magicka though and from a pve standpoint, if I'm not using blood for blood, I'd be hard pressed to find a good reason to want all my other stuff to cost that much more. You could use blood for blood as a stam spammable but the way CP works will hold in back a bit.

What do you mean by the way CP works?

Blood for blood damage scales with max magicka, so you still wont see much use from it.

Banegrivm

Nova_J wrote: »

Banegrivm wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

If you like a few of the perks, you can get some use out of it. Invis while sprinting can have uses. I'd have to say that it meshes much better with magicka though and from a pve standpoint, if I'm not using blood for blood, I'd be hard pressed to find a good reason to want all my other stuff to cost that much more. You could use blood for blood as a stam spammable but the way CP works will hold in back a bit.

What do you mean by the way CP works?

Blood for blood damage scales with max magicka, so you still wont see much use from it.

What does that have to do with how CP works? I am still wondering if he meant Champion Points or something else. Blood for Blood uses health. There's no Magicka cost associated with it. Why do you believe that it scales with Magicka?

Nova_J

Banegrivm wrote: »

Nova_J wrote: »

Banegrivm wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

If you like a few of the perks, you can get some use out of it. Invis while sprinting can have uses. I'd have to say that it meshes much better with magicka though and from a pve standpoint, if I'm not using blood for blood, I'd be hard pressed to find a good reason to want all my other stuff to cost that much more. You could use blood for blood as a stam spammable but the way CP works will hold in back a bit.

What do you mean by the way CP works?

Blood for blood damage scales with max magicka, so you still wont see much use from it.

What does that have to do with how CP works? I am still wondering if he meant Champion Points or something else. Blood for Blood uses health. There's no Magicka cost associated with it. Why do you believe that it scales with Magicka?

It's not a belief, it's a fact lol. It scales with your max magicka and spell damage. That's the reason why soo many people were asking them to change is so it scales with your highest offensive stats instead. Right now it's only good for mag builds.
And what the other guy probably meant was that was that it's better if you dedicate your cp in weapon or spell damage. But since blood for blood counts as magicka damage you would have to put more into your spell damage/crit to see any good dps. But since most stam builds rely on weapon damage it would hold you back.

Hotdog_23

Blood for blood needs a stamina morph.

Fur_like_snow

New vampire doesn’t synergize with stamina your best bet is magicka DD. Now vampire is more of a “play style” than just something you took for passives. But yeah OP it’s a hard pass.

jlmurra2

If you were to stay at stage one, and play a Redguard to nullify much of the regular abilities increased cost it would be a good start.

As for Vampire abilities, elusive mist, which would probably be most useful in pvp, and one of the blood frenzy morphs seem the only useful skills for a stamina build to me. Though you would need to use the dual wield abilities blood craze, and bloodthirst to sustain the health cost of simmering frenzy.

butterrum222

It synergies very well with a stam blade gank play style with titanborn equipped. It’s almost as if they had this in mind when creating this new vamp skill. The one that gives you 660 more weapon and spell damage but drains health

Fur_like_snow

Could be wrong but I think he’s asking about PvE. But sure in PvP you’d see NB as your primary choice for vampire.

Aleinzzs

for a stam nighblade prolly, especially if you keep it at stage 2 where you get the extra damage from attacking out of stealth.

so yeah for the passives. thats about it.

jlmurra2

This stamina build by Alcast uses vampire as well: https://alcasthq.com/eso-stamina-nightblade-bow-gank-build-pvp/

ImSoPro

Didn’t know BfB scales with max mag.

Jerkling

I think they wanted the Vampire skill line to be more of an opposite to the WW skill line which basically is pure stam.

Fur_like_snow

And yet vampire is slated for melee when most magicka DD plays at range(minus DK but that’s 7m for them).

Deathlord92

I play pvp but I have managed to make vampire work on stamblade it’s actually lot of fun loving simmering frenzy to I always use simmering right before I’m ready to burst someone. Vampire does need adjustments though giving stamina morph for blood for blood giving us a way to stay in vampire lord like werewolf’s have etc.

Hotdog_23

Jerkling wrote: »

I think they wanted the Vampire skill line to be more of an opposite to the WW skill line which basically is pure stam.

True but werewolves do have a magic heal. They could at least give vampire one stamina morph of blood for blood or Eviscerate I should say. Stamina is ranged for the most part so a ranged stamina morph would fit well.

Stx

Stamina vampires can get some useful abilities mainly for pvp I would think... elusive mist is fantastic and the 600 weapon damage boost could be great if you can self heal enough(maybe on a stamsorc?).

The invisible sprint passive is great but probably would never be worth stage 4. Undeath at stage 3 is really nice for tanking, but not all tanks can handle 9% increased ability cost.