Why does Thrassian only give spell damage buff

TGreenleaf

If you haven’t noticed, in most end game content....especially in groups going for titles like TTT and GH, mag toons are the go to for clearing. It’s easier to stay alive, keep damage going, and having the option to stay ranged has many benefits. So, why does the one most used and talked about new mythic item for PVE....Thrassian Stranglers, only give a spell damage buff, as opposed to spell and weapon damage? Now you are widening the gap even more for those of us who want to play a stam toon. As a player who has actually gotten tick tick, GH, and IR on a stam toon in a mag group, it’s frustrating to almost be forced to swap over to a mag build to stay competitive for a spot on the team.

idk

Godlsayer run with multiple stamina DPS in the group. That is a no-death HM speed run. Granted, this last year but it is the first Godslayer run so it shows stamina can get the job done.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbQGEPNamyU

One of the main benefits of Magicka builds is most classes can fight effectively from range (except DK). This allows them to avoid PBAoE easily as well as continue pressure when avoiding damage. However, I expect we will still see top players in these well-organized groups still using stamina.

SidraWillowsky

How long have you been playing? Do you not remember when groups of 8 stamcro DDs were used in vet trials? People were making the exact same posts as yours but subbing in "magicka" for "stamina". I'm not saying that you're wrong, just that this isn't some long standing issue and that soon enough we'll be back to a stam meta. Because it seems like only one spec is allowed to be good at once.

TGreenleaf

I do remember the days of stam meta. That was mainly when you could just stand and parse. But why make Thrassian only spell damage.

SidraWillowsky

TGreenleaf wrote: »

I do remember the days of stam meta. That was mainly when you could just stand and parse. But why make Thrassian only spell damage.

Yeah, fair point for sure. I wish they'd explain that, because I don't think there are any super good Mythic items exclusive to stamina. I know that people here have made a very convincing argument that stamina DDs tend to rely on sets to pull BiS DPS (vs skills), whereas the opposite is true for mag DPS- we're all back here running a base game set (yeah, I'm a mag DD main so I'm happy with the DPS increases that my class has recently seen but tend to prefer melee stam-based characters in general... I'm just not good at staying alive) but are currently reaping the benefit of staying at range while also pulling high DPS. I've always been of the opinion that stam in general SHOULD pull higher DPS in theory because there's a lot more risk involved in being at melee range. But I digress....

What I meant to say was that we've been asking for better mag DPS sets to be introduced and that I don't think that the Thrassians are a very good solution...

karekiz

TGreenleaf wrote: »

If you haven’t noticed, in most end game content....especially in groups going for titles like TTT and GH, mag toons are the go to for clearing. It’s easier to stay alive, keep damage going, and having the option to stay ranged has many benefits. So, why does the one most used and talked about new mythic item for PVE....Thrassian Stranglers, only give a spell damage buff, as opposed to spell and weapon damage? Now you are widening the gap even more for those of us who want to play a stam toon. As a player who has actually gotten tick tick, GH, and IR on a stam toon in a mag group, it’s frustrating to almost be forced to swap over to a mag build to stay competitive for a spot on the team.

It is a tad silly.

Mythic:
Thousands of extra spell damage for mag in exchange for more damage, but its ok you can still use it in lots of places.

Stam:
You don't get snared, but can't sprint?

squinceybones

TGreenleaf wrote: »

I do remember the days of stam meta. That was mainly when you could just stand and parse. But why make Thrassian only spell damage.

Because Lore.

Red_Feather

Stamina gets stealth multipliers and such.

idk

TGreenleaf wrote: »

I do remember the days of stam meta. That was mainly when you could just stand and parse. But why make Thrassian only spell damage.

It swaps back and forth. I recall when a stamina DD in a raid group was jokingly referred to as a token stam character. A few months later and the only reason magicka was brought into the group was so melee was not overcrowded.

As for why Thrassianis only spell damage, did you discuss this in the PTS forums while we were testing this on the PTS? Even for players on console they can still see the PTS patch notes and discuss them.

colossalvoids

Compositions changing every patch so it's just a matter of time to see full stam groups again. Also it's just a first set of antiquities, surely we'll see something comparable in future, knowing zos trying to treat stam/mag more or less the same way recently.

WrathOfInnos

Thrassian + Pelinals?

Sanguinor2

Idk, why does only stam have lokke, rele, AY, tzogvin and doesnt run VO+leviathan?
I guess the answer is that Zos thinks mag and stam having the same sets would be bad.

Dusk_Coven

Because they need something else to release next year to make everyone grind all the Antiquities spots all over again.

Chilly-McFreeze

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Thrassian + Pelinals?

And forgoing the 15% extra Weapon Dmg from Medium + a whole 5p set? I have to think this through but I think it's a wash.