StamDKs

deLioncourt

Mind boggling how weak they are.

technohic

In what part of the game?

In PvP, it seems like with how there is a DOT and proc meta, it is ironic that the best DOT class does seem to be at a disadvantage. Need to be able to purge before the approcolypse consumes you.

LuxLunae

deLioncourt wrote: »

Mind boggling how weak they are.

Orc Stam DK or go home....

New Moons with briarheart/truth/bone pirate/ancient dragon guard/etc.

[snip]

It might just not be your cup of tea...

After playing stamplar for 6 yrs, I realized it was utter trash once they changed the sweeps and some other things. So I decided to make a stam DK and then realized my build was so much better and more powerful on it...I feel stupid playing stamplar now...

[Edited to remove Baiting]

deLioncourt

LuxLunae wrote: »

deLioncourt wrote: »

Mind boggling how weak they are.

Orc Stam DK or go home....

New Moons with briarheart/truth/bone pirate/ancient dragon guard/etc.

Git Gud....

It might just not be your cup of tea...

After playing stamplar for 6 yrs, I realized it was utter trash once they changed the sweeps and some other things. So I decided to make a stam DK and then realized my build was so much better and more powerful on it...I feel stupid playing stamplar now...

I've been playing StamDK for 6 years. Its the only class in the game that is "my cup of tea." I have other classes to compare it to as well. Before Necros and nerfs and buffs, my StamDK was top tier. StamDKs are objectively just very very weak.

I also don't PvP in this game. Logging on a StamDK and then zoning into cyro could be compared to walking into Guantanamo Bay, shouting "i'm a terrorist" and then asking to be tortured.

Destai

I'm laboring through my StamDK at the moment, just because he's a Nord. For so many explosive skills, I don't feel like I'm doing anything to my enemies.

CMDR_Un1k0rn

StamDK?

Weak?

Erm...

I mean it's not the most powerful out there perhaps but it's definitely really strong if you know how to play it.

crowfl56

WOW, i seem to see alot of StamDk's in pvp.

So they must not be to bad, or certain factions wouldn't use them in pvp.

For me though its a very hard class to play in pvp.

So not to worry the DK is fine in pvp.

kathandira

I don't have much of an issue with my PvE StamDK. Does fine DPS, and it enjoyable to play.

Bradyfjord

There's a lot of skills that need improvement, but all classes are like that. The dev's seem to be trying to change skills and abilities to work in a laggy game.

For physical damage, Dk need to run something from Earthen Heart to proc mino brutality. I usually use a 2h, so I use Rally for major brutality. And for major savagery, slot Flames of Oblivion or Evil Hunter.

Skills I recommend:
Green Dragons Blood if high health (30k+)
Resounding Vigor
or
Rally if using 2h (major brutality and heals)

Igneous Shield (procs minor brutality)
or
Molten Armaments (procs minor brutality)
Hardened Ward (good defense/health shield)

Sadly, for proper burst you're going to need dw or 2h. But many classes have the problem of needing weapon skills to function well.

Karmanorway

I think they are doing fine, slightly stronger then stamsorc but with the same problem... NO MORE DIZZY SWING, give us a spammable thank you

LuxLunae

deLioncourt wrote: »

LuxLunae wrote: »

deLioncourt wrote: »

Mind boggling how weak they are.

Orc Stam DK or go home....

New Moons with briarheart/truth/bone pirate/ancient dragon guard/etc.

Git Gud....

It might just not be your cup of tea...

After playing stamplar for 6 yrs, I realized it was utter trash once they changed the sweeps and some other things. So I decided to make a stam DK and then realized my build was so much better and more powerful on it...I feel stupid playing stamplar now...

I've been playing StamDK for 6 years. Its the only class in the game that is "my cup of tea." I have other classes to compare it to as well. Before Necros and nerfs and buffs, my StamDK was top tier. StamDKs are objectively just very very weak.

I also don't PvP in this game. Logging on a StamDK and then zoning into cyro could be compared to walking into Guantanamo Bay, shouting "i'm a terrorist" and then asking to be tortured.

When warden came out, templars got gutted and lost some of it's identity...
When necro came out, templars got gutted and lost almost all of its identity...

Necro and Warden are suppose to be better than the base classes. That's how they are designed for obvious reasons.

Since you played stamDK a lot, maybe you see that its weak compared to the other two...

Me ? Moving from stam templar to stam DK...

Stam templar as it is...can be renamed to Biting Jabs....The only useful move that a templar has is biting jabs. One move.

Stam DK has a plethora of moves that make it's class have Identity in my opinion. However, you have noticed that your class can't compete with the new classes or your sets can't compete with the new sets. This is all by design.

I once said that ZoS is ruining the fabric of the game somehow. You now noticing it as well.

If you are a redguard they were also passively nerfed. Especially if you are stam redguard DK...

CMDR_Un1k0rn

TBH StamDK is stupidly versatile. IMO the best choice for a new player who wants to go stam'. No, it is not Nightblade.

deLioncourt

crowfl56 wrote: »

WOW, i seem to see alot of StamDk's in pvp.

So they must not be to bad, or certain factions wouldn't use them in pvp.

For me though its a very hard class to play in pvp.

So not to worry the DK is fine in pvp.

If you read, I specifically mentioned that I wasn't referring to PvP.

deLioncourt

LuxLunae wrote: »

deLioncourt wrote: »

LuxLunae wrote: »

deLioncourt wrote: »

Mind boggling how weak they are.

Orc Stam DK or go home....

New Moons with briarheart/truth/bone pirate/ancient dragon guard/etc.

Git Gud....

It might just not be your cup of tea...

After playing stamplar for 6 yrs, I realized it was utter trash once they changed the sweeps and some other things. So I decided to make a stam DK and then realized my build was so much better and more powerful on it...I feel stupid playing stamplar now...

I've been playing StamDK for 6 years. Its the only class in the game that is "my cup of tea." I have other classes to compare it to as well. Before Necros and nerfs and buffs, my StamDK was top tier. StamDKs are objectively just very very weak.

I also don't PvP in this game. Logging on a StamDK and then zoning into cyro could be compared to walking into Guantanamo Bay, shouting "i'm a terrorist" and then asking to be tortured.

When warden came out, templars got gutted and lost some of it's identity...
When necro came out, templars got gutted and lost almost all of its identity...

Necro and Warden are suppose to be better than the base classes. That's how they are designed for obvious reasons.

Since you played stamDK a lot, maybe you see that its weak compared to the other two...

Me ? Moving from stam templar to stam DK...

Stam templar as it is...can be renamed to Biting Jabs....The only useful move that a templar has is biting jabs. One move.

Stam DK has a plethora of moves that make it's class have Identity in my opinion. However, you have noticed that your class can't compete with the new classes or your sets can't compete with the new sets. This is all by design.

I once said that ZoS is ruining the fabric of the game somehow. You now noticing it as well.

If you are a redguard they were also passively nerfed. Especially if you are stam redguard DK...

I didn't mention class identity. I have no problems with the class identity of the StamDK, just the low damage output compared to any other class.

Bradyfjord

To make DK dots more powerful in a meta where dots are weak, my suggestion would be a new passive in the Ardent Flame skills:

• The talent would increase in potency up to 300% on low health targets. Low health would be 20%/50% for 1/2 skill points. It would work like poison injection for bow.

My problem is I don't know what to give up to get such a talent, and now I'm going down the rabbit hole of needing to redesign a whole class. Not my cup of tea.

DTStormfox

Dragonknight certainly is not weak. It probably is one of the strongest classes in the right hands.

It also highly depends on what you believe is weak about it.
If you think it is weak in PvE as a damage dealer, you are correct. However, it is one of the best tanking classes for PvE.
In PvP, the Stamina Dragonknight class is certainly not weak. Stamina DK has a steep learning curve for PvP but when you master it, you can really dominate other players.

deLioncourt

DTStormfox wrote: »

Dragonknight certainly is not weak. It probably is one of the strongest classes in the right hands.

It also highly depends on what you believe is weak about it.
If you think it is weak in PvE as a damage dealer, you are correct. However, it is one of the best tanking classes for PvE.
In PvP, the Stamina Dragonknight class is certainly not weak. Stamina DK has a steep learning curve for PvP but when you master it, you can really dominate other players.

"It probably is one of the strongest classes in the right hands." This is very untrue.

Bradyfjord

deLioncourt wrote: »

DTStormfox wrote: »

Dragonknight certainly is not weak. It probably is one of the strongest classes in the right hands.

It also highly depends on what you believe is weak about it.
If you think it is weak in PvE as a damage dealer, you are correct. However, it is one of the best tanking classes for PvE.
In PvP, the Stamina Dragonknight class is certainly not weak. Stamina DK has a steep learning curve for PvP but when you master it, you can really dominate other players.

"It probably is one of the strongest classes in the right hands." This is very untrue.

Idk, man. I've seen players pull off some amazing moments of glory. For dk though, they can survive some crazy things. And many players don't know what to do if you're still standing after their combo didn't work.

HalvarIronfist

Stamdk main PVE/PVP.

If you're speaking about PVP (Which I assume you are.)

Stamdk.. at least IMO takes a lot of skill to become "good" at, like any other class. i don't have trouble killing anything besides stamcros due to the gross amount of mitigation and healing they can do while still outputting damage.

I see MANY stamdks, and a lot of them just get squashed when I fight them on my own.

I still think stamdk is probably up there in the top tier, but it can be easily out-performed by a necro right now.



As for PVE. Tanking? Stamdk is preferably my favorite to play. It just feels the best to me.

DPS? Stamdk in all the ideal gear for my dps build. (According to Alcast, as I'm not a DPS main in PVE.), with a decent rotation,(and OK L/A rate.) and I still do less damage than my petsorc with two thrown together sets of MS and FGD that aren't even all the right trait with no spammable. Just AOE, 4 pets. (Attro/Maw of Infernal), Daedric Prey, Undaunted damage orb, and crystal frags. Petsorc easily pulls 15k+ more DPS without me even trying.

(Speaking of Trial Dummy/Iron Attro specifically.)

Stamdk: 45-49k DPS

Petsorc: 55-60k DPS

deLioncourt

HalvarIronfist wrote: »

Stamdk main PVE/PVP.

If you're speaking about PVP (Which I assume you are.)

Stamdk.. at least IMO takes a lot of skill to become "good" at, like any other class. i don't have trouble killing anything besides stamcros due to the gross amount of mitigation and healing they can do while still outputting damage.

I see MANY stamdks, and a lot of them just get squashed when I fight them on my own.

I still think stamdk is probably up there in the top tier, but it can be easily out-performed by a necro right now.



As for PVE. Tanking? Stamdk is preferably my favorite to play. It just feels the best to me.

DPS? Stamdk in all the ideal gear for my dps build. (According to Alcast, as I'm not a DPS main in PVE.), with a decent rotation,(and OK L/A rate.) and I still do less damage than my petsorc with two thrown together sets of MS and FGD that aren't even all the right trait with no spammable. Just AOE, 4 pets. (Attro/Maw of Infernal), Daedric Prey, Undaunted damage orb, and crystal frags. Petsorc easily pulls 15k+ more DPS without me even trying.

(Speaking of Trial Dummy/Iron Attro specifically.)

Stamdk: 45-49k DPS

Petsorc: 55-60k DPS

No. I specifically stated that I am not talking about PvP

Vevvev

Bradyfjord wrote: »

Idk, man. I've seen players pull off some amazing moments of glory. For dk though, they can survive some crazy things. And many players don't know what to do if you're still standing after their combo didn't work.

And that is why I love playing a Dragonknight! Sure we lack certain things, like magDK's missing an execution ability, but they are the masters of sustain and long prolonged fights. In PVP they are devastating in CQC combat and you don't want to fight one with fossilize slotted, but I can see how in PVE they'd be lacking in the DPS area. Their ability to survive just about anything shouldn't be dismissed though and when played right can do anything.

regime211

deLioncourt wrote: »

Mind boggling how weak they are.

What!? Stam Dk's are no way weak lol

Solariken

Weak in what way? Feels pretty strong to me! Leap is still the best ultimate in the game and stamdk can achieve the highest weapon damage and among the highest self-healing output. Plus they block-turtle better than any other stam class.

deLioncourt

Vevvev wrote: »

Bradyfjord wrote: »

Idk, man. I've seen players pull off some amazing moments of glory. For dk though, they can survive some crazy things. And many players don't know what to do if you're still standing after their combo didn't work.

And that is why I love playing a Dragonknight! Sure we lack certain things, like magDK's missing an execution ability, but they are the masters of sustain and long prolonged fights. In PVP they are devastating in CQC combat and you don't want to fight one with fossilize slotted, but I can see how in PVE they'd be lacking in the DPS area. Their ability to survive just about anything shouldn't be dismissed though and when played right can do anything.

Their survivability is good, that's true. But there's something off about having to play a StamDK compared to other classes. Timing and rotation is nuts. The skill ceiling for a StamDK in PvE is nearly on par with nightblades. You gotta be REALLY good..to be good with that class. If I mess up my rotation even once, my parse will drop by 10-15k on a stamdk.

Whereas on just about any other class, I can close my eyes and the smash the keyboard against my head and pull 60-75k.

The fact that I have to bust my arse to pull 40k on my StamDK, but can fall asleep on my keyboard and pull 60-75k dps on any other class is a big tell.