Why are Mount Upgrades still not account-wide?

WuffyCerulei

Still trying to wrap around this. So ESO has been around live since April 2014. From what I understand, mounts have only gotten one change since then, that being the gold-bought horses from stablemasters no longer give a bonus to an upgrade type. But that’s it. I haven’t seen nary a word on any change to mounts or mount upgrades since then. Why? In the 6 years this game has been live, mount upgrades are still character-bound. Realistically, a person would upgrade their mount once a day, and there are 60 counts for 3 kinds of upgrades. You can only do it once a day essentially. That’s 180 days per character, and everyone knows they’ll forget to feed their mounts a lot.
Outfit styles, antiquity leads, outfits, pets, mounts themselves, and so much more are account-wide, but not mount upgrades. I’m sorry this seems a bit rambly, but I’ve been really playing this game since 2015. And this extremely tedious thing should have been account-wide years ago.

Hamish999

Because riding lessons are in the crown and gem stores.

VaranisArano

MMOs are about getting you to spend time, money, or both.

Would you rather spend your time to log in daily to upgrade your mount over 180 days?

Or would you rather spend your money and upgrade your new character's mount speed/stam/capacity in the Crown store?

ZOS wants your time or your money. Or both, if you get tired halfway and just pay to finish off the character.

TheShadowScout

WuffyCerulei wrote: »

Why are Mount Upgrades still not account-wide?

For the same reason character levels are not?
For the same reason crafting research is not?
For the same reason character skills are not?
For the same reason shyshards are not?
For the same reason guild advancement is not?

VaranisArano wrote: »

ZOS wants your time or your money.

Yup, that's the reason.

Want maxed riding training for ALL your characters?
Spend a small fortune to buy those crown riding training scrolls!

Not rich enough (and who really is...)?
Then you gotta do it the hard way, by logging in every day for every alt to do the visit to the stablemaster...

Eifleber

I don't mind upgrading mount skills but it shouldn't require to log in with each character for 180 days.
With all the loading screens and occasional d/c and screen freeze that costs me at least 30 minutes a day for 9 characters.
Which is 180 * 30= 5400 minutes = 90 hours of my life. Which is WAY to much.

Why not make it similar to research?

Mount type X tier 1: 3 days
Mount type X tier 2: 7 days
Mount type X tier 3: 15 days
Mount type X tier 4: 30 days
Mount type X tier 5: 50 days
Mount type X tier 6: 75 days
Total = 180 days

That way you only have to login 6 times to train your horse skills instead of 180 times.
❆

Tommy_The_Gun

Becouse it is not "mount" training. It is a riding lesson for your character that gets better at riding a mount.

Previously (back in 2014 or maybe even in beta) as far as I can tell, upgrades were mount-bound, meaning that you had 2 mounts, you had to train them separately...

Although I agree, it takes too long to get a "ready" character.

Hamish999 wrote: »

Because riding lessons are in the crown and gem stores.

Pretty much this...

idk

Hamish999 wrote: »

Because riding lessons are in the crown and gem stores.

This.

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Becose it is not "mount" training. It is a riding lesson for your character that gets better at riding a mount.

Previously (back in 2014 or maybe even in beta) as far as I can tell, upgrades were mount-bound, meaning that you had 2 mounts, you had to train them separately...

And very much this. Mounts use to be character-based back then vs account-based as they are now. I am glad we do not have to buy a separate mount for each character.

VaranisArano

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Becose it is not "mount" training. It is a riding lesson for your character that gets better at riding a mount.

Previously (back in 2014 or maybe even in beta) as far as I can tell, upgrades were mount-bound, meaning that you had 2 mounts, you had to train them separately...

Now I'm imagining the character taking 60 days to figure out exactly how to pack everything in their saddlebags to fit all their stuff.

TheShadowScout

Eifleber wrote: »

I don't mind upgrading mount skills but it shouldn't require to log in with each character for 180 days...

But that is just the point!
Otherwise noone would ever get vexed enough to shell out crowns for those riding lessons!

And yes, there are a lot of people who cannot spend the time every day, but then play more on the weekends... and the current system is not do great for them.
As intended. To make then pay for it so ZOS can show more profit.
Not that this is that much of a bad thing, without profit... the suits in charge would close down the servers and sell off the assets, while with more profit, we will get more stuff in the next expansion all the sooner as they aim to draw in even more people (and with them, more profit)...
...but still, it can be a little vexing on occasion.
Alas... c'est la vie.

Old_Foggy

I agree upgrading the mount is a long drawn out pain and i'd like to see an account wide upgrade system for this.
But until that happens i'm happy in the knowledge that i can run past a lot of the horses leaving them to eat my dust and i do this while i'm carrying a bunch of weapons, armour, food buffs etc and also a bed, a bookcase and the new well i just bought for my home. I'm also loaded down with iron, timber and bunches of other crafting materials. Coffee is the only boost i need to do this.

ValueDrift

Often the answer to "why..." is money.

Granicus

Greed, for lack of a better word, is good. According to some.

CoronHR

i'd prefer to have additional outfit slots be account-wide (sorry, off topic)

rpa

Riding lessons like long timegates in general are a way to make you feel invested time/monies in the game and that character, and also buff time before you have done everything and increase daily login numbers. Like grinds, it's not for players benefit but to decrease speed players run out of content.

stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO

Once you have spent 180 days on trivial character upgrades, you are more likely to keep playing to reap the benefits of your invested time. If you use real money to speed it up, you are a paying customer. This is all about calculated player retention and revenue.
Having said that, I'm not really annoyed by the current setup, so I guess they hit my sweet spot between making me want to leave and encouraging me to stay. I'm being played, but I'm OK with it, because in return, I am enjoying myself in a game that doesn't cost me a fortune to play.

AcadianPaladin

Perhaps a compromise might be to keep it character-based but allow each character to upgrade each category (carry, stam, speed) once daily. Process complete in 60 vs 180 days?

Tigerseye

Is this a duplicate thread?

Thought I commented on this earlier...

Kiralyn2000

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Eifleber wrote: »

I don't mind upgrading mount skills but it shouldn't require to log in with each character for 180 days...

But that is just the point!
Otherwise noone would ever get vexed enough to shell out crowns for those riding lessons!

I've honestly never understood why anyone would pay for those silly things. It's just some time - which, if you have decided to play an MMO, you should be prepared for. "Time Sink" is one of the core features of the genre.

(that said, I don't pvp, and I've never bothered to train Stamina. So.... /shrug)

VaranisArano

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Eifleber wrote: »

I don't mind upgrading mount skills but it shouldn't require to log in with each character for 180 days...

But that is just the point!
Otherwise noone would ever get vexed enough to shell out crowns for those riding lessons!

I've honestly never understood why anyone would pay for those silly things. It's just some time - which, if you have decided to play an MMO, you should be prepared for. "Time Sink" is one of the core features of the genre.

(that said, I don't pvp, and I've never bothered to train Stamina. So.... /shrug)

Pretty much the same reason why people buy skyshard packs or skill lines: they want something quicker than the time sink allows, except that riding packs are a more serious time sink than either of those examples.

Its reasonably common in my PVP guild for folks to buy the speed/stam packs on alts, because who wants to startva new character only to spend up to 60 days trailing behind the rest of the guild as a prime target for gankers?

Destai

Because ZOS would rather milk you for your money than make the game more reasonable.

Destai

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Eifleber wrote: »

I don't mind upgrading mount skills but it shouldn't require to log in with each character for 180 days...

But that is just the point!
Otherwise noone would ever get vexed enough to shell out crowns for those riding lessons!

And yes, there are a lot of people who cannot spend the time every day, but then play more on the weekends... and the current system is not do great for them.
As intended. To make then pay for it so ZOS can show more profit.
Not that this is that much of a bad thing, without profit... the suits in charge would close down the servers and sell off the assets, while with more profit, we will get more stuff in the next expansion all the sooner as they aim to draw in even more people (and with them, more profit)...
...but still, it can be a little vexing on occasion.
Alas... c'est la vie.

Pay to not be annoyed is the monetization model at this point.

AmoralOne

$$$

PrimusNephilim

I don't know why this topic keeps coming up....just under stand, the likelihood that we'll get this, is the day Molag Bal becomes a cheerleader wearing a pink tutu singing Total Eclipse of the Heart in a karaoke bar

~ Cheers

EvilAutoTech

I_am_Groot wrote: »

I don't know why this topic keeps coming up....just under stand, the likelihood that we'll get this, is the day Molag Bal becomes a cheerleader wearing a pink tutu singing Total Eclipse of the Heart in a karaoke bar

~ Cheers

I'd like to see that.

😊

Shadesofkin

that change was not just "gold cost mounts no longer have a bonus to certain upgrades" son, it was also an entire change to how upgrades worked.

Used to be in the day, we had 60 points, total...to spread between all three.

Now, making it account wide seems a little silly, but I do agree that I'd like to see us capable of purchasing all three each day instead of one a day.

Oreyn_Bearclaw

Follow the Money!!!

Bradyfjord

I remember that it was common to dump all 60 points in speed.

Shadesofkin wrote: »

that change was not just "gold cost mounts no longer have a bonus to certain upgrades" son, it was also an entire change to how upgrades worked.

Used to be in the day, we had 60 points, total...to spread between all three.

Now, making it account wide seems a little silly, but I do agree that I'd like to see us capable of purchasing all three each day instead of one a day.

Knightpanther

Because ............................


CROWN STORE

Be Safe

Taleof2Cities

As someone who has full 60/60/60 on 17 character mounts (14 of those were all daily stablemaster training) ... it's too late now to change to account-wide without alienating the playerbase that has it completed already.

Dagoth_Rac

idk wrote: »

Hamish999 wrote: »

Because riding lessons are in the crown and gem stores.

This.

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Becose it is not "mount" training. It is a riding lesson for your character that gets better at riding a mount.

Previously (back in 2014 or maybe even in beta) as far as I can tell, upgrades were mount-bound, meaning that you had 2 mounts, you had to train them separately...

And very much this. Mounts use to be character-based back then vs account-based as they are now. I am glad we do not have to buy a separate mount for each character.

I do not think mounts were character-based. All your characters could access all your mounts. But the upgrades were by mount, not character. So if you put 60 points into speed, that mount would be fast on all your characters. At least, that was the way my Imperial horse worked. But maybe it was different because it was part of Imperial Edition, and not bought in-game.

The change was made when mounts became available in Crown Store. They were afraid players would not buy mounts if they then had to spend 180 days upgrading their new mount. Or spend more crowns on mount upgrades after already spending crowns on the mount. So they moved speed/inventory/stamina to the characters. That way, if you bought a new mount, it would be just as good as all your other mounts.

The change was made so that crown store mounts would be more appealing.

AlnilamE

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

Perhaps a compromise might be to keep it character-based but allow each character to upgrade each category (carry, stam, speed) once daily. Process complete in 60 vs 180 days?

This would be my suggestion.

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

idk wrote: »

Hamish999 wrote: »

Because riding lessons are in the crown and gem stores.

This.

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Becose it is not "mount" training. It is a riding lesson for your character that gets better at riding a mount.

Previously (back in 2014 or maybe even in beta) as far as I can tell, upgrades were mount-bound, meaning that you had 2 mounts, you had to train them separately...

And very much this. Mounts use to be character-based back then vs account-based as they are now. I am glad we do not have to buy a separate mount for each character.

I do not think mounts were character-based. All your characters could access all your mounts. But the upgrades were by mount, not character. So if you put 60 points into speed, that mount would be fast on all your characters. At least, that was the way my Imperial horse worked. But maybe it was different because it was part of Imperial Edition, and not bought in-game.

The change was made when mounts became available in Crown Store. They were afraid players would not buy mounts if they then had to spend 180 days upgrading their new mount. Or spend more crowns on mount upgrades after already spending crowns on the mount. So they moved speed/inventory/stamina to the characters. That way, if you bought a new mount, it would be just as good as all your other mounts.

The change was made so that crown store mounts would be more appealing.

I'm pretty sure each character had to buy their own mounts. I remember saving up the 42k gold on a couple of characters and then buying the cheaper horse for my templar without the extra 10 slots because it was a lot of gold at the time.

Of course, if you had the Imperial edition, you could buy a horse for each character for 1 gold each, so it would feel like they were account-wide.