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"Dodge" Dodge" Dodge" but no dodge rolls at all
Theignson
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Every so often I see players who when attacked with abilities the word "Dodge" comes up repeatedly when there is no dodge animation. Sometimes when they are running away full speed.
Last night a guy was just standing in the middle of a battle and repeatedly "dodge" appeared in rapid succession despite no dodges.
Can this really always be from Blessed Meridia set? Can anyone confirm that this set causes the "dodge" message to appear? I don't see how this set could explain examples of people running full speed and generating "dodge" with no animation. Also, does it cause "all" attacks to miss or only attacks from the first person they blocked? Can it generate multiple
Occasionally the dodge animation is late or lagged. I get that. But sometimes there is simply no dodge roll.
If it is all from Blessed Meridia I think the word should be changed to "miss" to avoid confusion, after all that is what the set description says, you "miss" them, they don't "dodge" you
Last night a guy was just standing in the middle of a battle and repeatedly "dodge" appeared in rapid succession despite no dodges.
Can this really always be from Blessed Meridia set? Can anyone confirm that this set causes the "dodge" message to appear? I don't see how this set could explain examples of people running full speed and generating "dodge" with no animation. Also, does it cause "all" attacks to miss or only attacks from the first person they blocked? Can it generate multiple
Occasionally the dodge animation is late or lagged. I get that. But sometimes there is simply no dodge roll.
If it is all from Blessed Meridia I think the word should be changed to "miss" to avoid confusion, after all that is what the set description says, you "miss" them, they don't "dodge" you
3 GOs, a General, and bunches of prefects etc-- all classes...I've wasted a lot of time in PVP
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Kadoin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No, it's a bug that results from when guards disorient a dodge rolling player.
Yes, disorient is still in the game.
My guess is that since they removed the code from CC break for it, it still applies and bugs out the other systems in the game.
At any rate, it's a serious bug and my guess is it won't be fixed anytime soon so I will not say exactly how its done except for that little bit on it. But I won't report it either since I gain nothing from doing so and I refuse to play the game until June 19 or later anyway.4 -
Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Also, does it cause "all" attacks to miss or only attacks from the first person they blocked? Can it generate multiple
Meridia puts a debuff on the attacker(not the wearer), and then goes on cooldown. Other attackers will be unaffected until the cooldown ends. The cooldown is longer than the debuff, so it always only ever debuffs one person at a time.Edited by Sharee on June 13, 2020 6:45AM0 -
Theignson✭✭✭✭✭Also, does it cause "all" attacks to miss or only attacks from the first person they blocked? Can it generate multiple
Meridia puts a debuff on the attacker(not the wearer), and then goes on cooldown. Other attackers will be unaffected until the cooldown ends. The cooldown is longer than the debuff, so it always only ever debuffs one person at a time.
Great thanks for explaining. Also I guess I am only seeing "dodge" messages from my own attacks. So is it possible the guy standing there has Meridia, I shot a LA/bow ability at him, then my next 4 attacks miss-- in that case does Meridia give me a "Dodge" message? (It should say "miss" not dodge...).
It can't be disorient in this case because they owned the outpost so the guards were'nt hostile.
The weird thing is the guy was standing in the doorway of the outpost taking damage from 25 or so attackers. So Meridia would be worthless in that setting it seems. So I'm not sure how he avoided all that damage. I guess its impossible to know if all the other attackers were also seeing "dodge" messages, or only me
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Berenhir✭✭✭✭✭
✭Sometimes with a lot of pressure on a player, the dodge animation is just not animated. So he dodge rolls but you don't see it. Simple as that. Same things with stuns not being animated etc.PC EU - Ebonheart Pact - Gray Host - Death Recap -#zergfarming -4 -
Wyrd88✭✭✭✭in that case does Meridia give me a "Dodge" message? (It should say "miss" not dodge...).
Meridia gives you "Miss" message, so it's not the case in that situation.
It may be sets like Crusader (Increases the duration of the dodge chance bonus of Roll Dodge by 0.3 seconds) or Glorious Defender (When you deal damage with a Light or Heavy Attack, you have a 9% chance to gain Glorious Defense for 10 seconds, allowing you to dodge the next attack made against you) or probably some weird bugs with guards or something0 -
Kadoin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭in that case does Meridia give me a "Dodge" message? (It should say "miss" not dodge...).
Meridia gives you "Miss" message, so it's not the case in that situation.
It may be sets like Crusader (Increases the duration of the dodge chance bonus of Roll Dodge by 0.3 seconds) or Glorious Defender (When you deal damage with a Light or Heavy Attack, you have a 9% chance to gain Glorious Defense for 10 seconds, allowing you to dodge the next attack made against you) or probably some weird bugs with guards or something
It's not, it really is a bug you can abuse on live. I trigger it multiple times because of guards at outpost and don't even realize it until players message "how tf you dodging everything without moving?" or I notice it myself (damage text on). It literally is auto-dodge because of a bug in the game and I should mention it also dodges AoE and siege weapons
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It's not the only bug there is in PvP either, there is one that lets you see through walls and terrain hit players through them (even tab target), sets that have bugs and cause damage to completely drop, sets that have bugs and let you heal from death, the door bug is back, wall bugs where you can walk in and out of a wall freely, etc. - it's just literally the worst patch for PvP even discounting the terrible balance.
The worst part is that all of these are reproducible and CAN be abused. Already saw people abusing the wall and unkillable bug...well before I decided not to log in anymore.2 -
GrumpyDuckling✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭But I won't report it either since I gain nothing from doing so and I refuse to play the game until June 19 or later anyway.
What do you mean that you "gain nothing" by reporting the bug? When you come back June 19 or later you won't have players cheating against you...
In your next post you say that the "worst part" is that it can be reproduced and abused. Why not make the game a better experience for when you return by reporting it?2 -
Kadoin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭GrumpyDuckling wrote: »But I won't report it either since I gain nothing from doing so and I refuse to play the game until June 19 or later anyway.
What do you mean that you "gain nothing" by reporting the bug? When you come back June 19 or later you won't have players cheating against you...
In your next post you say that the "worst part" is that it can be reproduced and abused. Why not make the game a better experience for when you return by reporting it?
I likely won't return on the 19th. Been enjoying a few books, tea, cookies. Life is great.
Quit all my guilds, told all my friends bye, and planned my day with no ESO in it.
I feel so purified. Yes, so purified!
Now time to get buff.6 -
GrumpyDuckling✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭GrumpyDuckling wrote: »But I won't report it either since I gain nothing from doing so and I refuse to play the game until June 19 or later anyway.
What do you mean that you "gain nothing" by reporting the bug? When you come back June 19 or later you won't have players cheating against you...
In your next post you say that the "worst part" is that it can be reproduced and abused. Why not make the game a better experience for when you return by reporting it?
I likely won't return on the 19th. Been enjoying a few books, tea, cookies. Life is great.
Quit all my guilds, told all my friends bye, and planned my day with no ESO in it.
I feel so purified. Yes, so purified!
Now time to get buff.
I noticed you said June 19th "or later," but seem not to have ruled out that "or later" part...
Glad life is great for you, enjoy!0 -
Theignson✭✭✭✭✭GrumpyDuckling wrote: »But I won't report it either since I gain nothing from doing so and I refuse to play the game until June 19 or later anyway.
What do you mean that you "gain nothing" by reporting the bug? When you come back June 19 or later you won't have players cheating against you...
In your next post you say that the "worst part" is that it can be reproduced and abused. Why not make the game a better experience for when you return by reporting it?
I likely won't return on the 19th. Been enjoying a few books, tea, cookies. Life is great.
Quit all my guilds, told all my friends bye, and planned my day with no ESO in it.
I feel so purified. Yes, so purified!
Now time to get buff.
I should give up the game but can't. It's addictive. Also always more builds to try. But PvP is a negative experience. I should stop. I could read books, watch movies, play guitar, listen to music, do dozens of things that are more positive and healthy. But sometimes I just want to get out there and slaughter ad and dc
3 GOs, a General, and bunches of prefects etc-- all classes...I've wasted a lot of time in PVP0 -
ketsparrowhawk✭✭✭✭✭Found this thread because I had a similar experience in Imperial City Sewers a few nights ago. This Stam Sorc was dodging half my attacks ("dodge dodge dodge dodge" appears constantly), but I never saw a dodge animation. The duel went on for at least 5 minutes and this was happening the entire time.
Neither of us were putting much damage into each other.. he was tanky and his attacks weren't hitting me very hard. Then suddenly, my stamina bar totally disappeared, my health went from like 80% to 0 in an instant and that was it. Recap just showed some dots.. no ults, no dizzy, no spin. I don't think he was wearing deadly/blood drinker because we had been fighting for a while already so I think I would have noticed the damage. We had already cleared the room of mobs so it was just the two of us. I tried whispering to ask about his build but got no response. Anyone else seen anything like this? I've been playing since 2016 and have never experienced a fight like that. Only thing I can think of is server desync but performance had been perfect otherwise.0 -
Theignson✭✭✭✭✭I have a new theory about this and wonder what people think.
Suppose I use an ability that hits the player, but also has a poison proc, and also applies a status effect.: three things at once.
Maybe I see 3 dodge messages because the player dodges all three(since they are instantaneous) with one dodge? Could that explain some of this? Can anyone confirm?
But I am still frequently chasing people right in front of me who are running full speed, no dodge animation, and I get "dodge" with most of my abilities. It's very hard not to suspect an exploit when you see this3 GOs, a General, and bunches of prefects etc-- all classes...I've wasted a lot of time in PVP0 -
Artorias24✭✭✭✭✭
✭But I am still frequently chasing people right in front of me who are running full speed, no dodge animation, and I get "dodge" with most of my abilities. It's very hard not to suspect an exploit when you see this
Best way to answer this would be a Video. Dont think its about naming and shaming If you Upload it cause its simply uploaded to inspect what causes your dodge messages. But If you want to make sure, blurr his Name0 -
vesselwiththepestle✭✭✭✭✭
✭By "no dodge rolls at all" you mean not only no dodge roll during the moment of the attack, but really no dodge roll at all?
Because you get a short time window after a dodge roll during which you dodge incoming attacks.1000+ CP
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Theignson✭✭✭✭✭vesselwiththepestle wrote: »By "no dodge rolls at all" you mean not only no dodge roll during the moment of the attack, but really no dodge roll at all?
Because you get a short time window after a dodge roll during which you dodge incoming attacks.
Yeah, they run along trying to get away from you, not in mist form, and you keep shooting at them, there is no dodge roll animation, but you get the orange "dodge" dodge" "dodge" messages. It's very frustrating3 GOs, a General, and bunches of prefects etc-- all classes...I've wasted a lot of time in PVP2 -
Soleya✭✭✭✭✭
✭I see this all the time.
Also see odd things like people dodging abilities I thought weren't dodgeable. Had my subterranean assault, dual wield whirlwind and warden's fletcher flies all get dodged.
Seen one guy on a ballista dodge all 3 damage ticks from my coldfire ballista without ever getting off the siege.
Most of the time it's players sprinting away at full speed dodging 90% of every attack thrown at them, without dodge rolling once.3 -
Idinuse✭✭✭✭✭
✭Every so often I see players who when attacked with abilities the word "Dodge" comes up repeatedly when there is no dodge animation. Sometimes when they are running away full speed.
Last night a guy was just standing in the middle of a battle and repeatedly "dodge" appeared in rapid succession despite no dodges.
Can this really always be from Blessed Meridia set? Can anyone confirm that this set causes the "dodge" message to appear? I don't see how this set could explain examples of people running full speed and generating "dodge" with no animation. Also, does it cause "all" attacks to miss or only attacks from the first person they blocked? Can it generate multiple
Occasionally the dodge animation is late or lagged. I get that. But sometimes there is simply no dodge roll.
If it is all from Blessed Meridia I think the word should be changed to "miss" to avoid confusion, after all that is what the set description says, you "miss" them, they don't "dodge" you
Yeah, I see players in full speed on mounts "Dodging" every thing I fire at them. Buuut, we simply have to understand that some players have such skills and fast fingers, that they unmount, dodge, and get up on mount without us being able to see it. We just need to L2P, git gud and SHTFU, or search the internet.... If we crank up our sound we def should be able to hear it, I'm sure... Sed ut perspiciatis unde omnis iste natus error sit voluptatem accusantium dolorem que laudantium, totam rem aperiam, eaque ipsa quae ab illo inventore veritatis et quasi architecto beatae vitae dicta sunt explicabo. Nemo enim ipsam voluptatem quia voluptas sit aspernatur aut odit aut fugit, sed quia consequuntur magni dolores eos qui ratione voluptatem sequi nesciunt. Neque porro quisquam est, qui dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet, consectetur, adipisci velit, sed quia non numquam eius modi tempora incidunt ut labore et dolore magnam aliquam quaerat voluptatem. Ut enim ad minima veniam, quis nostrum exercitationem ullam corporis suscipit laboriosam, nisi ut aliquid ex ea commodi consequatur? Quis autem vel eum iure reprehenderit qui in ea voluptate velit esse quam nihil molestiae consequatur, vel illum qui dolorem eum fugiat quo voluptas nulla pariatur?8 -
Larcomar✭✭✭✭✭[quote=
Yeah, I see players in full speed on mounts "Dodging" every thing I fire at them. Buuut, we simply have to understand that some players have such skills and fast fingers, that they unmount, dodge, and get up on mount without us being able to see it. We just need to L2P, git gud and SHTFU, or search the internet.... If we crank up our sound we def should be able to hear it, I'm sure... [/quote]
Yeah, that's about it round here. But you forgot the part where everyone tells you they're probably wearing this particular set that gives them dodge, as well as that other set that gives them a massive stat pool, on top of that set that gives thousands of regen, oh as well as this other one that gives them a ton of mitigation. Plus ofc those two proc sets they hit you with for massive burst damage
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Idinuse✭✭✭✭✭
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Yeah, I see players in full speed on mounts "Dodging" every thing I fire at them. Buuut, we simply have to understand that some players have such skills and fast fingers, that they unmount, dodge, and get up on mount without us being able to see it. We just need to L2P, git gud and SHTFU, or search the internet.... If we crank up our sound we def should be able to hear it, I'm sure...
Yeah, that's about it round here. But you forgot the part where everyone tells you they're probably wearing this particular set that gives them dodge, as well as that other set that gives them a massive stat pool, on top of that set that gives thousands of regen, oh as well as this other one that gives them a ton of mitigation. Plus ofc those two proc sets they hit you with for massive burst damage
Oh you are right! The fact that at least 5 sets would explain it, that is if they're all worn at the same time... Edited by Idinuse on November 25, 2020 1:06PMSed ut perspiciatis unde omnis iste natus error sit voluptatem accusantium dolorem que laudantium, totam rem aperiam, eaque ipsa quae ab illo inventore veritatis et quasi architecto beatae vitae dicta sunt explicabo. Nemo enim ipsam voluptatem quia voluptas sit aspernatur aut odit aut fugit, sed quia consequuntur magni dolores eos qui ratione voluptatem sequi nesciunt. Neque porro quisquam est, qui dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet, consectetur, adipisci velit, sed quia non numquam eius modi tempora incidunt ut labore et dolore magnam aliquam quaerat voluptatem. Ut enim ad minima veniam, quis nostrum exercitationem ullam corporis suscipit laboriosam, nisi ut aliquid ex ea commodi consequatur? Quis autem vel eum iure reprehenderit qui in ea voluptate velit esse quam nihil molestiae consequatur, vel illum qui dolorem eum fugiat quo voluptas nulla pariatur?1 -
Bergzorn✭✭✭✭✭
✭I see a lot of dodging without animations which most of the time can be reasonably explained with bad performance, e.g. the dodge animation is missing completely or is badly lined up with the immunity window.
But one time, I'd swear I saw myself dodge a projectile (no animation, but the "dodged" text on my screen) when I had not dodge-rolled for minutes.no CP PvP PC/EU
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Gilvoth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭this still is happening
i am starting to think is a cheat engine because they take literally zero damage the entire fight.1 -
rbfrgsp✭✭✭✭✭This happens on around about 90% of all attacks I use in cyrodiil at present. Yes, 90%.3
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ArchMikem✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I'll just leave this little relatable gem from my past here, concerning seemingly illogical dodging.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hKPuQ_2X9U CP2,000 Master Explorer - AvA One Star General - Console Peasant - The Clan
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Theignson✭✭✭✭✭I'll just leave this little relatable gem from my past here, concerning seemingly illogical dodging.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hKPuQ_2X9U
amazing footage that reflects this cheat or exploit or whatever the heck it is. How are they doing it?3 GOs, a General, and bunches of prefects etc-- all classes...I've wasted a lot of time in PVP0 -
XvarleyX✭✭✭I'll just leave this little relatable gem from my past here, concerning seemingly illogical dodging.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hKPuQ_2X9U
The video is shown as posted 2021, but there is a 3 year old comment on it, which corresponds with the time shuffle gave dodge chance.5 -
XvarleyX✭✭✭In relation to OP, i think latency plays a big part in this, i sometimes dodge roll and manage to sprint a good 4-5 metres while still flinching ranged shots. Other times i get hit with single target skills mid roll, i think latency and server performance play a roll.2
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Moonsorrow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I'll just leave this little relatable gem from my past here, concerning seemingly illogical dodging.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hKPuQ_2X9U
The video is shown as posted 2021, but there is a 3 year old comment on it, which corresponds with the time shuffle gave dodge chance.
That is the years old Shuffle with the automatic dodges yeah.0 -
Moonsorrow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Most often dodge animation does not even show lately, gets worse in primetime and at cyrodiil lag.
Record a bunch of duels with someone and both watch it from the others clip, easy to notice where you cannot even see your own dodge rolls where you knew for 100% you did them.
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