Bar Swapping Lag on PS4 - its impact to DPS.

MEBengalsFan2001

Does anyone on console or PC have a lag with bar swapping. I have tried a this on a variety of characters and it is becoming quite annoying. First is the average time it takes any one of my characters to swap a bar is around 2 seconds. This is annoying because when I'm testing my DD rotation and trying to figure out my DPS I know I lose quite a bit of damage every time I have to swap my bar and wait roughly 2 seconds. Second, when healing or tanking having that much of a delay results in a buff loss, shield not being up or a heal missed. Third, in group the delay may exceed 4 seconds at times making me want to simply walk away from the game instead of playing.

I tested this out byt into my own empty home and tried it on my DD, Tank, and Healer. I swapped bar and than counted by going 1001, 1002, etc... There are time I can hit 1003 and other times the bar swap right around 1001 but on average when I do this the bar swap around 1002. I tried to use various ways to cancel the bar swap animation but that doesn't work out well or results in my character getting stuck in a animation loop for bar swapping. Sometimes my character goes back and forth between the bar even though I only hit the button once to swap a bar.

I'm curious if others are experiencing this and if so have you found a work around?

zvavi

As long as bar swap already initiated you can't stop it. Usually there is a cooldown between bar swaps, I am not sure the exact cooldown but I am 100% sure it is below 1 second, and above 0.2 second.

Feizao

myself in another post..

Feizao wrote: »

as a mag nightblade i blame light attack weaving. i dont know the answer but i suspect it has something to do with the effort to prevent/reduce animation canceling by adding millisecond delays in our weaving. i could rant..

whatever it is it just feels bad and i hope it gets fixed

Everest_Lionheart

I’m on XB1 not PS4 but one thing I have noticed is a delay when swapping while doing heavy attacks with a lightning staff. Now the bar will still swap before the attack goes off but I can still input the swap and the skill no problem.

The same thing applies when using certain channeled skills. The bar swap animation appears to hesitate a bit but I can still fire off the next skill.

Get on a practice dummy and see which skills or animations are affecting your bar swap. You may experience something else similar with respect to certain skills or LA not firing or pushing through a rotation so fast that some channeled skills get repeated and appear to never land. Sub assault on warden is a finicky skill like that because if you cast a second instance before the first lands it starts the 3 second timer all over again.

If it’s something you can repeat but only with certain skills like that than it’s probably a bit by design so you can’t spam buttons to win while playing like you want. Certain Meta builds take that into account, spam to win, but doesn’t work on all builds where the rhythm changes, but not the tempo. As an example I use sweeps as a spamable on my magwarden and the button presses are evenly separated, but rapid strikes on my stamwarden requires more of an input like a heartbeat while spamming because it’s got a channel time.

Being a musician this is super simple to me. Tempo of 120, magplar spam weave is pretty much straight eighth notes. Stamwarden is sixteenth note dotted eighth. That’s where I see the simplicity of certain class skills versus others.

Anyway check your skill channels and pay attention to bar swaps on those attacks as well as your charged heavy and even medium attacks if you do them. Not all bar swaps are created equal.

MEBengalsFan2001

Everest_Lionheart wrote: »

I’m on XB1 not PS4 but one thing I have noticed is a delay when swapping while doing heavy attacks with a lightning staff. Now the bar will still swap before the attack goes off but I can still input the swap and the skill no problem.

The same thing applies when using certain channeled skills. The bar swap animation appears to hesitate a bit but I can still fire off the next skill.

Get on a practice dummy and see which skills or animations are affecting your bar swap. You may experience something else similar with respect to certain skills or LA not firing or pushing through a rotation so fast that some channeled skills get repeated and appear to never land. Sub assault on warden is a finicky skill like that because if you cast a second instance before the first lands it starts the 3 second timer all over again.

If it’s something you can repeat but only with certain skills like that than it’s probably a bit by design so you can’t spam buttons to win while playing like you want. Certain Meta builds take that into account, spam to win, but doesn’t work on all builds where the rhythm changes, but not the tempo. As an example I use sweeps as a spamable on my magwarden and the button presses are evenly separated, but rapid strikes on my stamwarden requires more of an input like a heartbeat while spamming because it’s got a channel time.

Being a musician this is super simple to me. Tempo of 120, magplar spam weave is pretty much straight eighth notes. Stamwarden is sixteenth note dotted eighth. That’s where I see the simplicity of certain class skills versus others.

Anyway check your skill channels and pay attention to bar swaps on those attacks as well as your charged heavy and even medium attacks if you do them. Not all bar swaps are created equal.

It is just bad. I was told that a digital controller is more effective than the analog controller that is standard on the PS4. Not sure if I want to pay $200+ to get a digital controller for the PS4 just to reduce latency/lag for bar swapping. I know that bar swapping is one of many issues hurting my DPS numbers but I'm not all in in gaming anymore like I was 5+ years ago. Not worth it IMO as there is so much more out there to do than playing video games.

deceasedb

As of this morning, I can’t even swap my weapons bar anymore, and I’ve tried everything I can come up with...

Everest_Lionheart

MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »

Everest_Lionheart wrote: »

I’m on XB1 not PS4 but one thing I have noticed is a delay when swapping while doing heavy attacks with a lightning staff. Now the bar will still swap before the attack goes off but I can still input the swap and the skill no problem.

The same thing applies when using certain channeled skills. The bar swap animation appears to hesitate a bit but I can still fire off the next skill.

Get on a practice dummy and see which skills or animations are affecting your bar swap. You may experience something else similar with respect to certain skills or LA not firing or pushing through a rotation so fast that some channeled skills get repeated and appear to never land. Sub assault on warden is a finicky skill like that because if you cast a second instance before the first lands it starts the 3 second timer all over again.

If it’s something you can repeat but only with certain skills like that than it’s probably a bit by design so you can’t spam buttons to win while playing like you want. Certain Meta builds take that into account, spam to win, but doesn’t work on all builds where the rhythm changes, but not the tempo. As an example I use sweeps as a spamable on my magwarden and the button presses are evenly separated, but rapid strikes on my stamwarden requires more of an input like a heartbeat while spamming because it’s got a channel time.

Being a musician this is super simple to me. Tempo of 120, magplar spam weave is pretty much straight eighth notes. Stamwarden is sixteenth note dotted eighth. That’s where I see the simplicity of certain class skills versus others.

Anyway check your skill channels and pay attention to bar swaps on those attacks as well as your charged heavy and even medium attacks if you do them. Not all bar swaps are created equal.

It is just bad. I was told that a digital controller is more effective than the analog controller that is standard on the PS4. Not sure if I want to pay $200+ to get a digital controller for the PS4 just to reduce latency/lag for bar swapping. I know that bar swapping is one of many issues hurting my DPS numbers but I'm not all in in gaming anymore like I was 5+ years ago. Not worth it IMO as there is so much more out there to do than playing video games.

Honestly bigger issue with bar swaps is that it’s just so clunky on the d-pad. I’ll sometimes get an accidental potion or perspective change with my bar swap. Remapping won’t really fix the issue either. That the trouble with all controllers and games like this where you have so many inputs.

I’ve considered buying an elite controller to map some functions to the paddles but it’s a $200 expense to marginally improve my gameplay. I can’t justify the purchase and I don’t really play any FPS anymore where a controller like that changes the game.

At the end of the day none of it blocks me from playing and having a good time so I just roll with it.

MEBengalsFan2001

Everest_Lionheart wrote: »

MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »

Everest_Lionheart wrote: »

I’m on XB1 not PS4 but one thing I have noticed is a delay when swapping while doing heavy attacks with a lightning staff. Now the bar will still swap before the attack goes off but I can still input the swap and the skill no problem.

The same thing applies when using certain channeled skills. The bar swap animation appears to hesitate a bit but I can still fire off the next skill.

Get on a practice dummy and see which skills or animations are affecting your bar swap. You may experience something else similar with respect to certain skills or LA not firing or pushing through a rotation so fast that some channeled skills get repeated and appear to never land. Sub assault on warden is a finicky skill like that because if you cast a second instance before the first lands it starts the 3 second timer all over again.

If it’s something you can repeat but only with certain skills like that than it’s probably a bit by design so you can’t spam buttons to win while playing like you want. Certain Meta builds take that into account, spam to win, but doesn’t work on all builds where the rhythm changes, but not the tempo. As an example I use sweeps as a spamable on my magwarden and the button presses are evenly separated, but rapid strikes on my stamwarden requires more of an input like a heartbeat while spamming because it’s got a channel time.

Being a musician this is super simple to me. Tempo of 120, magplar spam weave is pretty much straight eighth notes. Stamwarden is sixteenth note dotted eighth. That’s where I see the simplicity of certain class skills versus others.

Anyway check your skill channels and pay attention to bar swaps on those attacks as well as your charged heavy and even medium attacks if you do them. Not all bar swaps are created equal.

It is just bad. I was told that a digital controller is more effective than the analog controller that is standard on the PS4. Not sure if I want to pay $200+ to get a digital controller for the PS4 just to reduce latency/lag for bar swapping. I know that bar swapping is one of many issues hurting my DPS numbers but I'm not all in in gaming anymore like I was 5+ years ago. Not worth it IMO as there is so much more out there to do than playing video games.

Honestly bigger issue with bar swaps is that it’s just so clunky on the d-pad. I’ll sometimes get an accidental potion or perspective change with my bar swap. Remapping won’t really fix the issue either. That the trouble with all controllers and games like this where you have so many inputs.

I’ve considered buying an elite controller to map some functions to the paddles but it’s a $200 expense to marginally improve my gameplay. I can’t justify the purchase and I don’t really play any FPS anymore where a controller like that changes the game.

At the end of the day none of it blocks me from playing and having a good time so I just roll with it.

I use the PS4 function to swap that button to X and it works but there is still lag. PS4 gives you plenty of ways to modify your controller and improve how it works. In fact, PS4 even has an add on that you can assign two buttons toward and they are a simple slider bar that is used for those buttons. Most of the top end DPS players I run with use digital controllers that cost $200+ just to reduce lag/latency. For a game like ESO for PVE I don't see the value in that type of controller.

ApostateHobo

Yep I've definitely noticed a delay in bar swapping. I've also noticed that occasionally it will swap twice even though I only pressed it once, and skills will also cast twice sometimes despite me once again only pressing the button once. Something wonky going on.

MEBengalsFan2001

ApostateHobo wrote: »

Yep I've definitely noticed a delay in bar swapping. I've also noticed that occasionally it will swap twice even though I only pressed it once, and skills will also cast twice sometimes despite me once again only pressing the button once. Something wonky going on.

I got a new controller and did some test. The new controller lag is still there for bar swapping but the issue with the button isn't. The issue with the button being pressed twice is a result of wear and tear on our analog style PS4 controllers. New controllers the buttons are not as easy and typically don't register two button presses when it is pressed one time. So getting a new controller seems to help a bit with that regard and that doesn't surprise me one bit because I had the same experience with the controller when I was playing DCUO.

Hopefully the new controllers on the next gen systems fix these issues.

ApostateHobo

MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »

ApostateHobo wrote: »

Yep I've definitely noticed a delay in bar swapping. I've also noticed that occasionally it will swap twice even though I only pressed it once, and skills will also cast twice sometimes despite me once again only pressing the button once. Something wonky going on.

I got a new controller and did some test. The new controller lag is still there for bar swapping but the issue with the button isn't. The issue with the button being pressed twice is a result of wear and tear on our analog style PS4 controllers. New controllers the buttons are not as easy and typically don't register two button presses when it is pressed one time. So getting a new controller seems to help a bit with that regard and that doesn't surprise me one bit because I had the same experience with the controller when I was playing DCUO.

Hopefully the new controllers on the next gen systems fix these issues.

Ehh I doubt it's my controller because for one thing I haven't even had it a full year yet, and this issue only started with greymoor for me. If my controller magically got worn out on the exact day greymoor launched I'd be very surprised lol

MEBengalsFan2001

ApostateHobo wrote: »

MEBengalsFan2001 wrote: »

ApostateHobo wrote: »

Yep I've definitely noticed a delay in bar swapping. I've also noticed that occasionally it will swap twice even though I only pressed it once, and skills will also cast twice sometimes despite me once again only pressing the button once. Something wonky going on.

I got a new controller and did some test. The new controller lag is still there for bar swapping but the issue with the button isn't. The issue with the button being pressed twice is a result of wear and tear on our analog style PS4 controllers. New controllers the buttons are not as easy and typically don't register two button presses when it is pressed one time. So getting a new controller seems to help a bit with that regard and that doesn't surprise me one bit because I had the same experience with the controller when I was playing DCUO.

Hopefully the new controllers on the next gen systems fix these issues.

Ehh I doubt it's my controller because for one thing I haven't even had it a full year yet, and this issue only started with greymoor for me. If my controller magically got worn out on the exact day greymoor launched I'd be very surprised lol

The PS4 controller is analog and it isn't horrible but it isn't as good as a digital controller. I seriously hope PS4 is a digital controller with digital button input.

Grianasteri

Yes, I experience this on a semi regular basis, particularly in busy content. (ps4+)

The impact on dps can be catastrophic. My rotations, like many peoples I imagine, are in large part via muscle memory, the moment I am swapping bars I am already onto the next skill, but if you have not actually swapped bars, you use the wrong skill and whatever that skill may be you're going to drop dps and waste magica/stamina (which could then have a further impact on dps). When its really bad, I can click several times and potentially use several wrong skills, until I adjust and slooow way down to accommodate the lag.

You can certainly kiss good bye to a good or representative dps parse when this is happening.

I actually experience pretty poor lag performance in general and I believe this has a detrimental effect on dps over all. If skills and light attacks are generally taking longer to execute than I see the average gamer in ESO videos, then I am clearly losing dps. Sometimes, I experience the opposite of a lag spike and my rotation speeds up drastically, I can feel and see the animations and skills completing faster, but its only momentary and then were back to "normal". I suspect this may be due to the poor interwebz connect and multiple drains upon it, making the connection variable, I can see this when I test the connection a few times in succession. Who knows, but its frustrating.

Shantu

I was going to start a new topic but I'll jump on this one. This has been happening to me also on NA/PC. Doesn't matter what I'm doing, bar swapping will occasionally fail. I can actually just sit there doing nothing but swapping my bars and watch it fail. Can't tell you how many times I've been executing my rotation only to see I'm on the wrong bar.

Last night I got kicked from vCR. When I logged back in, bar swapping would not work at all. I had to reboot the game to get it to work.

Not sure what's going on, but something sure feels like it's changed for the worse.