PermBlock DK Build Ideas

AmoralOne

Looking to become the very thing I swore to defeat..

I play all types of supports, the only one I dont do/have is a PermaBlocking DK Tank. I know you can take on Warden, and Necro well, but im doing other things with them.

Anyone have any ideas for a good one? So far I have

Hist Sap / Stonekeeper

Then for the other 5 piece I was thinking one of these

Ironblood, or Battalion Defender.

Weapons would be SnB, and Ice Staff

EtTuBrutus

For small group? Zerging? Breech holding? Tower farming? They require different skills to a degree, and the sets you choose can really impact the play styles.

AmoralOne

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AmoralOne

DTAmoral wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

For small group? Zerging? Breech holding? Tower farming? They require different skills to a degree, and the sets you choose can really impact the play styles.

@EtTuBrutus Ah see I didnt know how it worked. lol UM I would prefer to be able to just walk into a zerg and be pretty safe? Obvi im killable everyones killable

Maybe Breech Holding is what im after?

OBJnoob

Breach holding is so fun... not sure how much fun you’re going to have trying to tank it though. The doorway area is normally covered with siege (siege got a bit of a buff considering the healing nerf) and once the enemy group decides to push through the kill box they aren’t going to stop to beat on you. They’re either rushing the siege line or going right up into the wall.

My stamdk defends breaches by using bombard to immobilize and then d-leaping the enemies underneath the oil.

You know what? I’m being dumb. There is one thing a stamdk TANK can do better than anybody else. Stand at the breach and chains weak enemies inside. You could have fun with that for... years.

As far as permablock... you should look into either the torc for stamina/magic sustain as you switch between blocking with mag and stam. Or the mythic chest, if you’re a magdk, could accomplish the same thing.

Random thought if you’re wearing the heavy mythic chest, have already bashed your target, and use the sword n board ulti will you basically just fill your magic bar? HMMMM

EtTuBrutus

DTAmoral wrote: »

EtTuBrutus wrote: »

For small group? Zerging? Breech holding? Tower farming? They require different skills to a degree, and the sets you choose can really impact the play styles.

Ah see I didnt know how it worked. lol UM I would prefer to be able to just walk into a zerg and be pretty safe? Obvi im killable everyones killable

Maybe Breech Holding is what im after?

For breech holding you want roots, pulls, mitigation, and block reduction as youll have group support for sustain and healing.

AmoralOne

@OBJnoob @EtTuBrutus

StamDK:

1 Helmet - Mighty Chudan
5 Body - Battalion Defender
1 Chest - Bloodlords Embrace
Jewelry, SnB, (Resto? Ice Staff? 2H?) - Footman

What do you think of this? Then use the Fighters Guild ability to pull people in? or the chain, I just dont know how the Mag Sustain would be

FirmamentOfStars

DTAmoral wrote: »

@OBJnoob @EtTuBrutus

StamDK:

1 Helmet - Mighty Chudan
5 Body - Battalion Defender
1 Chest - Bloodlords Embrace
Jewelry, SnB, (Resto? Ice Staff? 2H?) - Footman

What do you think of this? Then use the Fighters Guild ability to pull people in? or the chain, I just dont know how the Mag Sustain would be

So far there isnt really any evidence about how viable the mythic cuirass is, since you still have to bash a certain enemy first, which only works in melee range. Also there is no guarantee the cursed enemy really attacks you, so changing the curse might be a waste of resources.

For permablocking i suggest building on the combustion passive, which can restore stamina and magicka while blocking. Same as the return of resources from ultimates. Easiest way to do it is via the charged weapon trait and having sources of fire and poison damage. For stamina i heard the heavy armor set leeching plate with the aoe poison effect is very good. Venomous smite would be an option too, if you have a way to make it proc. For magicka sustain i think the fire dots of the class are enough.

If you want to use the poison morphs i suggest using additional fire damage sources for magicka return, grothdarr is a very good set for that(even better with elfbane).
Otherwise i think bloodspawn is still a good option to gain ultimate points.

Additionally mibor heroism pots can be very good, if you dont have a source of heroism already.

EtTuBrutus

Bloodlords i haven't played with but it's tough to guarantee the conditions in a breech setting.

I don't think you can get much better than heartland/ desert rose if you're holding a breech.

OBJnoob

@DTAmoral

I agree with these other guys that the mythic chest might be conditional and hard to pull off. The torc on the other hand might have some use for you.

Either way, I think you should stick with Ice Staff and 1HS to start with. Only change if you're more survivable than you think. Switching between resource pools to block is how you're going to pull this off I think.

The sets you listed are good. And I agree with your decision-- if you use a mythic-- to wear a 1 piece monster set. Especially for a tank-- I don't think you're missing out on much.

Battalion Defender is cool but maybe back-bar Crest of Cyrodiil (the one that heals you for 8k when you block an attack once every 8 seconds) and front-bar Ice Staff of Potentates. Just throwing it out there. Doesn't really matter. Battalion Defender only heals one person right? For selfish purposes I'd prefer Crest of Cyrodiil myself just because it's backbarrable... or even Almalexia's Mercy, because it heals everyone instead of just 1 person?

And whoever said Desert Rose had an excellent idea.

I'm sure you can make it functional with any of these ideas. The key will be the skills you use. If you're able to activate that combustion passive... if you're able to generate ultimate... if you're able to find other sources of percentage mitigation. If you're able to barswap in combat without the game freaking out, lol.

I'd say definately use Talons-- for the minor maim moreso than the immobilize. Definately try to use the Coagulating Blood thing that's based on health because your weapon/spell damage is going to probably be junk. Be a nord. Fit heroic slash in there if you can for ulti gen. Burning Claw or whatever it's called... for the heal and the combustion passive. Maybe the fighter's guild fear thing because every good tank needs an AoE stun.

And if you really want to be hella tanky put the Psijic ultimate on one bar (for the damage shield and the minor protection,) and use the sword n shield ultimate on the other bar for free blocks.

daemonor

How about you check blobs channel?

DTAmoral wrote: »

@OBJnoob @EtTuBrutus

StamDK:

1 Helmet - Mighty Chudan
5 Body - Battalion Defender
1 Chest - Bloodlords Embrace
Jewelry, SnB, (Resto? Ice Staff? 2H?) - Footman

What do you think of this? Then use the Fighters Guild ability to pull people in? or the chain, I just dont know how the Mag Sustain would be

sounds whack and absoloutely non sustainable permamently. you should check out BlOBeso on youtube he has an amazing permablock dk build

AmoralOne

@daemonor Ill check him out! Most people that show these crazy permablock builds never show their builds. (for good reason)

EtTuBrutus

I can show you what battalion and desert rose can do. It was built for a small group support build though, not a breech defender.

Unfortunately, with permablocking, when you don't specialize and try to do to much, you fail at ask of them.

EtTuBrutus

https://youtu.be/uJ0UTpmEP84

This iteration was built for tower farming. So it is a guard tank, body blocking, roots and heals. Wearing bogdan, has 2 aoe heals (they don't tick hard but every bit helps outnumbered).