Shadow debuff on nightblades?

Sosderosii

Is there a hidden debuff on nightbaldes that makes them extremely easy to be killed in PVP np matter what you do?

I made mine in Heavy armor, Pariah set, health enchantments, defensive traits, defensive and healing skills.
The result: No damage neither tank. It's killed in PVP almost instantly and can't do ***.

Why does this happen with this class but not any other, is it cursed?

catnamedwill

It is called [snip] self-healing. No matter how much mitigation you have, it is useless without self-healing to back it up. And guess which class has the worst self-healing in the game in PvP?

[Edited to remove Profanity]

Sosderosii

catnamedwill wrote: »

It is called [snip] self-healing. No matter how much mitigation you have, it is useless without self-healing to back it up. And guess which class has the worst self-healing in the game in PvP?

I tried using dark cloak, refreshing path, swallow soul, rapid regeneration and some defensive skills and still plain garbage.

Kadoin

Sosderosii wrote: »

Is there a hidden debuff on nightbaldes that makes them extremely easy to be killed in PVP np matter what you do?

I made mine in Heavy armor, Pariah set, health enchantments, defensive traits, defensive and healing skills.
The result: No damage neither tank. It's killed in PVP almost instantly and can't do ***.

Why does this happen with this class but not any other, is it cursed?

Yeah it's the "balance" debuff. That is where one class gets the crap treatment for a while, while others get obviously OP buffs and stay OP for a while and then they get nerfed worse than the classes that were previously crap-tier, and the cycle continues while players pretend they are getting any stronger than they were before any "balancing" because of the changes.

Ecfigies

Magicka NB to at least have a minimum of enjoyment, it's a must unfortunately to have BRP Resto, but even with it you will face problems.

It will make it easier, give a try, but won't make you immortal.

JayKwellen

Max mag build with dampen magicka and 30+ into bastion, troll king, eternal vigor, potentates jewelry (not all at once if you want to ever kill anything)...gotta get creative if you want to survive on a magblade. Problem is too much survivability and then you won't kill anything either, it's why I don't really suggest heavy or sets like buffer.

Shade is your best bet though if you don't have cloak (or even if you do have it). Trying to just facetank often ain't gonna go well, you gotta maintain distance as much as possible between you and the person trying to smash you with a big sword.

Use LOS, shade around a rock, do whatever you gotta do. Magblade survivability, quite simply, comes from out playing your enemy. Juke them with your shade, LOS their attacks, keep your HoTs rolling constantly and your major resolve up, and hope for the best.

sproattt

As a Stam user, healing is completely crap. 18.5k Vigor tooltip crit healing for 2kish non crit for less.

Since everyone in PvP is grouped up or zerging means you actually can't play Solo unless you have higher HR or sets to give health back such as Scourge Harvester for heal and Maj Mending.

If you thought PvP was unbalanced and poor performance pre greymoor, it's worse. Game stuttering constantly everywhere you go, especially in Maelstrom when the game stutters after every add you kill....

Spartabunny08

Sosderosii wrote: »

Is there a hidden debuff on nightbaldes that makes them extremely easy to be killed in PVP np matter what you do?

I made mine in Heavy armor, Pariah set, health enchantments, defensive traits, defensive and healing skills.
The result: No damage neither tank. It's killed in PVP almost instantly and can't do ***.

Why does this happen with this class but not any other, is it cursed?

Ok... first it's speed. You need lots of speed. 5 medium 2 heavy. Pariah chest and legs. Darloc brae and bloodspawn. 1 bow and 1 2 hand weapon. On bow side concealed weapon nightblade ability necessary. Swift all jewelry and Race Against Time also on bow side.

The reason your dying is because heavy armor. It doesn't help with things like roll dodge. Always before you cloak, roll dodge. I almost never die on this build and when I do it's not the builds fault...lol

Dr_Ganknstein

Yes it is cursed. Or at least thats what the legends say.

exeeter702

Sosderosii wrote: »

catnamedwill wrote: »

It is called [snip] self-healing. No matter how much mitigation you have, it is useless without self-healing to back it up. And guess which class has the worst self-healing in the game in PvP?

I tried using dark cloak, refreshing path, swallow soul, rapid regeneration and some defensive skills and still plain garbage.

Once upon a time, magblades had a unique strength to keep themselves afloat via the self healing attrition approach. They were able to joust so long as they could maintain swallow soul, and siphoning strikes ticks while fighting around their refreshing path. Then over time zos insisted they be neutered. Strife was "too good", refreshing path was "too loaded".

At the very *** least zos, give magblades minor vit back on swallow soul and the damage back on refreshing path. And frankly, at this point, revert siphoning attacks back to its pre morrowind state.

And as someone who has successfully been a career magblade healer in pvp since this games very inception, this patch is a huge spit in the face and reeks of a fundamental misunderstanding from the current dev team.

Tammany

Obviosly NB has been designed as an assasin type class - these usually lack defensive/healing toolkins as a tradeof for burst damage. Literally every mmo has same type of class, Problem is - NB's burst potential has been nerfed, so he has the same def/healing capability and also crap damage with castable ultumate (lul).

I'am still laughting how an assasin class has to perform FIVE light attacks to trigger instant ability that must be kept in combat (LOL), meanwhile classes like sorc gains it as passive chance proc.

Theignson

There is a post on the forms called the "Iron Cannon" nightblade build. Google it and read it...again and again...probably the deepest post ever on NB.

It is talking about a stam blade build and I'm not sure whether this post is referring to stam or magica blade.

But I've been taking my stam blade out and he isn't dying much more than any other build.

Playing NB is hard. To do it right, you have to know how to use cloak and shade for starters. You have to know when to dodge roll. I'm not very good with shade yet. NB is one of my alts and has much less playtime. You have to realize that you need to refresh cloak even when you aren't in danger, to trigger the passive that buffs your resists.

There are a lot of other NB passives that are important and you have to learn about.

The Relentless focus skill also takes a lot of practice. I don't think it works without a bow build. But the upside is it gives you damage mitigation for the duration, 10% which is more than minor protection. Also you have a full minute to get your 5 LA. But when you do, Assasins scourge can hit hard.

olsborg

Dark Cloaks minor protection hasnt been working for some months..ive reported it, but we might see a fix during 2021..

Tommy_The_Gun

NB is in bad spot right now. It received to many nerfs last year. The whole Elsweyr update was basically devoted to "Nightblade Redundancy removal" (Yep, ZOS used that term for NB nerfs).

It was so obvious that even people who tested Necromancer (new class) on PTS and were not NB mains were annoyed by that. The patch was focused more on NB than on making Necromancer playable lol.

But, the problem is that NB simply had a lot of stuff outright removed (because it had a lot of similar buffs in various class skills). And ZOS did not gave NB anything in return. Class lost a lot of its overall pros, and later on - even identity.

It came to a point that NBs simply started using weapon / guild / world skills instead of their own class skills, as those are simply better variants of what NB has in its toolkit. And even according to ZOS - non-class skills are supposed to be inferior to class skills and serve as a "supplement" if your class is lacking something in its toolkit. In case of NB, this rule simple does not apply.

Right now, stam NB is probably the worst stam class variant, and mag NB is the worst mag class variant.

The only way you could do something as a NB in PvP is probably (sadly) to make a stealth potato build, avoid fights and leach AP. NB class is simply no longer competitive vs average player, let alone experienced one.

exeeter702

Tammany wrote: »

Obviosly NB has been designed as an assasin type class - these usually lack defensive/healing toolkins as a tradeof for burst damage. Literally every mmo has same type of class, Problem is - NB's burst potential has been nerfed, so he has the same def/healing capability and also crap damage with castable ultumate (lul).

I'am still laughting how an assasin class has to perform FIVE light attacks to trigger instant ability that must be kept in combat (LOL), meanwhile classes like sorc gains it as passive chance proc.

Nightblades are not nor have they ever been inherently exclusively an assassination class. It was one aspect of them.