Lead Drop Rates

AlnilamE

Raudgrani wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

Raudgrani wrote: »

Drop rates from bosses should be significantly increased, or be 100% guaranteed. I don't mind "grinding" for leads in fishing, farming nodes, looting lockboxes etc. - but for the love of the gods, I don't want to kill the same worldboss X0 times, over and over again, just for a lead.
Dungeons are even worse. I was running Blackheart haven like 20 times, no lead. I can't take it anymore, so I quit it for now. It's just not fun. What makes it even worse, is that you can't solo that one either (as I did with Darkshade II and Crypt of Hearts I), because of the mechanics when he turns you into a skeleton (and before some "elite" player says otherwise, yes it might very well be possible in some way, but really?).

Worldbosses are extremely frustrating too. It takes like 10 minutes for them to respawn. What are you supposed to do during that wait? I get it that ZOS maybe meant for you to go try kill them once a day for that lead, but they should know that this isn't how people play the game. Delve bosses are probably an even bigger problem, like in this Stonefalls delve, the Armature something; it's almost impossible to even get a hit in on that dwemer piece of junk. So every 3'rd time or so he spawns, you won't even get a chance for a lead - because he's dead before you even get a chance to hit him, because people spam AOE's on is spawn point continously, and sometimes yours won't hit before he dies.

This part is not well thought through. It just is not.

If you group up with people, you get loot even if you didn't get a hit in.

As for world bosses, the leads drop from multiple bosses, so hop between them if you don't want to gather while you wait?

I haven't been grouped with anyone doing that, but you might very well be right. But that's not the point. What IS the actual point of having to kill the same "since the start of the game" bosses dozens of times? I get the grind thing with other leads, like Psijic Portals and such. But this boss grinding? So tremendously boring it's unbelievable. I know a guy who spent the better part of a day killing bosses for a lead in A'likr desert, I think he nearly went crazy. I didn't even wanna talk to him, because he was so p****d off.

For me, fishing in Artaeum - got lead on FIRST fish, which also gave me a Perfect Roe. Nice. Then the other fishing endeavor in Stros M'Kai, yeah - I pulled over 200 fishes before I got that lead. But, I don't mind that. It's a different thing. Doing nothing for 10 minutes, then killing a boss in 40 seconds, then wait another 10 minutes. It's not even fun, and it's probably not good for your mental health either to be honest. Feels like spending a day in a waiting room at a hospital, getting all excited when a nurse comes in, until she calls someone else's name.

That is a matter of preference. You can see plenty of threads here of people complaining about fishing. I personally enjoy it. But obviously not everyone does.

We had a guild event this weekend where we spent an hour fishing at each of the lead locations (Artaeum, Clockwork City and Stros M'Kai). In Artaeum, out of our group of 5, I was the only one who didn't get the lead within the hour (but I got the Angler achievement on an alt). In Clockwork everyone got the lead. In Stros M'Kai, I think two people didn't have the lead at the end of the hour, but they kept fishing until they got it (while others went off to get the other leads from that zone).

For the delve bosses, I'm sending out an alt that needs the delve. For some of it, I grouped with a guildie so I had company. When she got it after a few kills and I didn't, I just left him there and would just log on to him when I was swapping between other characters and if the boss was up I'd kill him. I got the lead after the 3rd login or so, but that way it doesn't feel like I'm wasting time. Now he's in a delve where he actually needs to kill mobs to get a lead.

I think my biggest hurdle will be the lead from the city bosses in IC, but time will tell.

jaws343

Decided to try out my luck at getting the pieces for Malacath's Band last night after reading this thread. Bonesnap Ruins took two rotations before it dropped on the Group Boss, it was the first time I fought the group boss during those rotations. Old Orsinium dropped on the first boss. The piece from the WB is Reapers March dropped first try.

I haven't done the Imperial City lead yet, decided to wait until the event starts for that. But the Betnikh lead took around 2 hours to drop. Pulled 2 of the ultimate War Drum leads in the process.

I think some people are just on the really short end of the RNG stick. When I went for the Stranglers leads I completed them in like 3 hours, with the most time spent fishing in Stros MKai. The Arteum fishing lead dropped first cast.

Zer0_CooL

Im positive that the drop rates are higher for those who have not purchased the chapter yet.

AlnilamE

Zer0_CooL wrote: »

Im positive that the drop rates are higher for those who have not purchased the chapter yet.

If we're tinfoiling: The lead drop rates are higher for leads you are NOT looking for. (I got two gold leads from safeboxes earlier while looking for the music box lead).

redlink1979

We have a chance to get leads, from different types of sources. Maybe you're forgetting that they aren't guaranteed drops.

Rng can be annoying, not just for getting leads.

TheRealPotoroo

Evilspock wrote: »

I'm also stuck on a lead, elden hollow boss. I've gotten the ring 3 times so I'm wondering if there is a limit or bug. My experience with boss leads is the drop rate is very high, something like 1/5.

As a matter of interest, was that on normal or veteran? I've had no luck on normal but then I haven't done many runs either.

Arictheana

TheRealPotoroo wrote: »

Evilspock wrote: »

I'm also stuck on a lead, elden hollow boss. I've gotten the ring 3 times so I'm wondering if there is a limit or bug. My experience with boss leads is the drop rate is very high, something like 1/5.

As a matter of interest, was that on normal or veteran? I've had no luck on normal but then I haven't done many runs either.

Wow Evil, you’re lucky. Got my lead on run 76. It dropped on normal and I tried a mix of vet and vet+hm. So it really is just crappy RNG. I’m never farming for it again.

Casandra

I am so glad that some of you are getting leads and yes I do have gotten many leads, my complain is this: is this fun farming for a particular lead for days????? I mean i have been farming orsinium for one gold lead for 9 days with no luck and twice someone grouped with me and they got the lead and not me.... is this suppossed to be fun!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I mean really?????

Arictheana

About as fun as waiting for things to get 'fixed' and be able to play.

Caligamy_ESO

preevious wrote: »

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*snaps*

EDIT : Thieves troves thieves troves thieves troves thieves troves

This spoke to me.. but I did get it done. Farmed a route for hours opening thieves troves and safeboxes for hooooooouuuuuuurrrrs.

I actually got my first ever Shivering Cheese drop in the process, so there's that.

criscal

well, my impression is too, that there is a cool-down on getting great loot. Maybe you just get a penalty, when you got big loot. It seems to be that you have a bonus at finding good stuff early in your session, so that are kept on the hook, hoping to gain that next great loot soon. Also, in the early years at least, it seemed as people with multiple characters got the best loot, which make it look, as if such a bonus would be given when entering with a character.

redspecter23

redlink1979 wrote: »

We have a chance to get leads, from different types of sources. Maybe you're forgetting that they aren't guaranteed drops.

Rng can be annoying, not just for getting leads.

I'm hoping that most players realize this is true. We have a chance. However, it can be useful to try and find more details about how that RNG works. Is it a flat %? Is it weighted in some way? More data from more players can help paint a more clear picture. If many bosses have a 20% drop rate then there will be some that get the lead on the first kill and some that go 20+ kills without it. There is a level of frustration there when you're one of the unlucky ones that keeps losing that dice roll each time. You can start to think maybe the system is rigged. Posts like these help collect information so we can all learn a bit more about how the system works to hopefully make it easier in the future for others looking to farm leads.

There are ways to help improve your rate of lead acquisition even if the drop rate is a flat value. World bosses and public dungeon bosses have a loot cooldown timer. Killing more than 2 of them within 5 minutes won't speed you up at all. You can swap toons to bypass that timer or to reduce travel time if you want to speed up the process. For example, you can have one toon in delve A and one in delve B and swap between them back and forth to kill potentially twice as many bosses. If you're farming a public dungeon, kill 2 bosses quickly, then swap to a second toon to kill 2 more, then back to the first in order to double your rate. In group dungeons, try to clear them as quickly as possible. Avoid the queue if you can. Run on normal for speed and if you are able, skip anything unnecessary to make it faster. I was getting 4 minute completions on many of the shorter ones like Spindle 1, Darkshade 1 and Direfrost. Faster clears means more chances per minute.

kojou

Elsonso wrote: »

Interestingly, the OP, @kojou, never came back to update.

Evilspock wrote: »

I'm also stuck on a lead, elden hollow boss. I've gotten the ring 3 times so I'm wondering if there is a limit or bug. My experience with boss leads is the drop rate is very high, something like 1/5.

RNG is RNG... but ESO RNG is a curious thing. I have passively noticed that the drop rates seem higher in the first few days after a release, then seem to dry up. As a matter of fact, I now make it a point to do as much content in the first week as possible, as I always seem to get good drops when I do that. If I wait, the drops always seem harder to come by. It is a curious thing. I would love to know the details behind how ZOS does RNG.

I have found other Mythic leads, but still not the one in Bonesnap... I feel like the game does not want me to have it or any other from a public dungeon. I switched to running Sanguine’s Demense for the lead on the Bloodlords and that one is being stubborn about dropping as well.

Crom_CCCXVI

I heard a theory from let us call him a "Professional Furniture Crafter" that if you want a specific lead, and you know it is "purple" do not pick up any other purple items until you get it.....

I don't know if that is fact, but I know there is no real thing as "random" in computer code at this point, so perhaps...

Crom_CCCXVI

with my above post... which means pick everything else up, just nothing of the color for what you are looking for

Palidon

kojou wrote: »

I don't usually post these kinds of posts (complaining about drops rates), but something feels bugged with my account.

I have been farming the "Malacaths Brutal Ritual Oil" found in Bonesnap Ruins for days now. I have the boss kill achievements on almost all of my 18 characters (I got bored of farming with the same character), but still have not had the lead drop. I even had other players in my guild join me and they get the lead within the first couple bosses and leave, while I run through the dungeon killing everything in sight 3-4 more times in a night. I have even gone after other leads due to being tired of farming this one, and nothing drops for those either.

This had lead me to one of 2 conclusions:

1. Either I am very unlucky
-or-
2. My account is bugged in some way and I am no longer able to obtain leads

I do have some of the mythic items and some of the leads for Malacath's band, but it seemed like one day leads just stopped dropping.

Has anyone else experienced this? I put in a bug report and in game feedback, but I was curious if I was alone or if others were having the same issue.

YES. It can take several attempts for a lead to drop but surprised it is taking so long in Bonesnap because the lead can drop from any of the bosses in that delve. I have been trying now going on 7 to get the lead for a mystic ring that drops from the final boss in Blackheart Haven. For the lead for the Ring of the Wild Hunt it took me 15 attempts to get the drop from the final boss in Elden Hollow. I know it is frustrating but you are dealing with ZOS need I say more.