Can someone list the major changes with this chapter

butterrum222

I don’t want to go through all the patch notes. Please and thank you

Nestor

You want the Reader's Digest Version, the Cliff Notes version or the Siskel and Ebert Review version?

THEDKEXPERIENCE

Nestor wrote: »

You want the Reader's Digest Version, the Cliff Notes version or the Siskel and Ebert Review version?

Two thumbs up?

PrimusNephilim

well, Vampires got a change and there's a new area on the world map to explore. Enjoy!

Arca94

In no particular order:

• We got a new zone with a copy pasta story and many bugs.
• We got a poorly designed, lazy vampire rework.
• A new trial with little incentive to run.
• A new braindead easy system in antiquities to grind, which all but requires you to have ESO+ to get anything significant out of it.
• 20% blanket nerf to all healing in PvP because who needs actual balance when you can just change one number instead?
• The incredible finale of the 'Performance Improvement Plan' which has done nothing to help performance, in fact performance has never been worse!
• Hours of 'fun' regrinding vMA and vDSA because a lead dev said so... heh.
• Actually good addition to the game in Mythic items.
• Actually good Werewolf skill reworks.

I think that about covers it, let me know if I missed anything else

Tandor

In one important respect there was no change.

People who were positive about the game before Greymoor remain so, while people who were negative about the game before Greymoor also remain so.

You're right, however, to ignore the patch notes. Playing the game is a far more effective way of finding out what any changes are all about than reading the patch notes.

ShawnLaRock

Tandor wrote: »

In one important respect there was no change.

People who were positive about the game before Greymoor remain so, while people who were negative about the game before Greymoor also remain so.

Untrue. I happily & excitedly bought every CE Chapter up until now, but after seeing the release on PC, got a refund from the XBOX store.

I love you, ESO - but you are making my heart dark.

S.

Thechuckage

Tandor wrote: »

In one important respect there was no change.

People who were positive about the game before Greymoor remain so, while people who were negative about the game before Greymoor also remain so.

You're right, however, to ignore the patch notes. Playing the game is a far more effective way of finding out what any changes are all about than reading the patch notes.

Ding-*** you are wrong. (It was supposed to rhyme there but ok)

Sure many people are happy about it and actively enjoy it. But the drop in my guild rosters shows it is not universally liked. I was ambivalent towards to xpac before launch, the handling of it has turned me decidedly sour.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

Thechuckage wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

In one important respect there was no change.

People who were positive about the game before Greymoor remain so, while people who were negative about the game before Greymoor also remain so.

You're right, however, to ignore the patch notes. Playing the game is a far more effective way of finding out what any changes are all about than reading the patch notes.

Ding-*** you are wrong. (It was supposed to rhyme there but ok)

Sure many people are happy about it and actively enjoy it. But the drop in my guild rosters shows it is not universally liked. I was ambivalent towards to xpac before launch, the handling of it has turned me decidedly sour.

What does Sean Waltman have to do with this?

XPac!!

silvereyes

Tandor wrote: »

People who were positive about the game before Greymoor remain so, while people who were negative about the game before Greymoor also remain so.

Not really true in my case. I was actually starting to get back into the game with my family, since we're all stuck in quarantine together. I was enjoying running through dungeons I haven't run in a long time with them. I was subbed and spent countless hours developing addons. The HA/LA out-of-cycle PTS feedback cycle and subsequent pulling of the changes out of U26 had me excited for the direction the dev team was taking wrt community feedback. Sure, I was disappointed with the perpetually changing balance, and the lack of improvement in performance for the last few patches, but I was generally happy with the game.

That is no longer true for me. It started with the senseless shifting of goalposts in vMA during the U26 combat preview, and only intensified with all of the catastrophically bad performance problems on both PTS and during go-live. The whole vampirism and subterranean theme for Skyrim was pretty disappointing, and the antiquities system is just another marketing stunt to sell more ESO+ subs or DLC.

The one silver lining to all of these storm clouds was the change to drop normal arena weapons from nDSA and nMA. I avoided vDSA before because of the time commitment and how few groups wanted to run it, but now my family and I have run nDSA a few times and had some fun getting weapons.

butterrum222

Thanks for the feedback, also was there a change to healing received or some change to healing?

THEDKEXPERIENCE

silvereyes wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

People who were positive about the game before Greymoor remain so, while people who were negative about the game before Greymoor also remain so.

Not really true in my case. I was actually starting to get back into the game with my family, since we're all stuck in quarantine together. I was enjoying running through dungeons I haven't run in a long time with them. I was subbed and spent countless hours developing addons. The HA/LA out-of-cycle PTS feedback cycle and subsequent pulling of the changes out of U26 had me excited for the direction the dev team was taking wrt community feedback. Sure, I was disappointed with the perpetually changing balance, and the lack of improvement in performance for the last few patches, but I was generally happy with the game.

That is no longer true for me. It started with the senseless shifting of goalposts in vMA during the U26 combat preview, and only intensified with all of the catastrophically bad performance problems on both PTS and during go-live. The whole vampirism and subterranean theme for Skyrim was pretty disappointing, and the antiquities system is just another marketing stunt to sell more ESO+ subs or DLC.

The one silver lining to all of these storm clouds was the change to drop normal arena weapons from nDSA and nMA. I avoided vDSA before because of the time commitment and how few groups wanted to run it, but now my family and I have run nDSA a few times and had some fun getting weapons.

This is what’s funny to me. In every game - not every MMO, every game - there is a constant “shifting of goalposts” to deal with. Just in The Show, a baseball game that is less than 3 months old, there have been at least a half dozen updates just on pitch speed since launch. Developers change things all the time. They nerf things all the time. They buff things all the time.

If you want to do something else then have at it, but to act like ESO is the only game that has shifting goalposts is silly. And before you get into the “but but but sports games are different” argument, no, not in 2020 they aren’t. There are people who spent hundreds and in some cases THOUSANDS of dollars playing The Show at launch for better players and now those “BIS” players under 3 months ago are essentially worthless outside of Mike Trout ... and he borderline worthless too aside from some collector rewards.

Same stuff happens in every game. ESO is no outlier.

Arca94

butterrum222 wrote: »

Thanks for the feedback, also was there a change to healing received or some change to healing?

Ah yes, how could I forget! They blanket nerfed all healing in PvP by 20% because who needs actual balancing?

I've amended my earlier post, thank you

butterrum222

No thank you

igniz93

Worse performance