Tzogvin.... Ta-zoggin or Zog-vin?

Texecutioner187

Which is right and why? Is it spoke somewhere in quests or lore to be able to actually hear an NPC say it?

YandereGirlfriend

In the real world it's probably mean to be a silent 'T' so 'Zog-vin' but I always pronounce it like 'T'Zogvin' in my head when I read it.

Mindcr0w

Tshang Tsung tsays tthe tt tis tsilent t.

Texecutioner187

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

In the real world it's probably mean to be a silent 'T' so 'Zog-vin' but I always pronounce it like 'T'Zogvin' in my head when I read it.

I agree with you, but until I hear it somewhere in game, I can't prove one way or the other lol

Raisin

Can I ask where you would get 'Ta-zoggin' from? It doesn't make sense to me by any linguistic guidelines. I mean you'd be adding a vowel for no reason, and removing a consonant for no reason. I don't really get it.
If there's no indicator to pronounce it like that, I don't think it qualified as a potential candidate! The only options I can see is whether the T is silent or not -- so 'zogvin' versus 'tsogvin' basically.

CassandraGemini

Raisin wrote: »

Can I ask where you would get 'Ta-zoggin' from? It doesn't make sense to me by any linguistic guidelines. I mean you'd be adding a vowel for no reason, and removing a consonant for no reason. I don't really get it.
If there's no indicator to pronounce it like that, I don't think it qualified as a potential candidate! The only options I can see is whether the T is silent or not -- so 'zogvin' versus 'tsogvin' basically.

I agree. I think whether you would choose "zogvin" or "tsogvin" as the correct pronunciation might depend on where you would place the origin of the word. Where I'm from I would probably pronounce it as "tsogvin", but were I to say it in english I'd go for "zogvin". To me it looks like it would be eastern european in origin perhaps (if it were a 'real' word), so... I guess I'd go with the non-silent t as my preferred version.

tsaescishoeshiner

the "tz" in "Tzogvin" is probably to be pronounced like the "zz" in "pizza". Notice how "pizza" said the usual way sounds different from "piza" or "pisa". native English speakers can make this "ts" sound, we just sometimes don't realize it's a different consonant

full disclosure: this is not like official pronunciation, it's just how "tz/ts" is generally (GENERALLY!! don't attack me for this lmao) pronounced when written in English. a silent "T" would be a weird choice for an English audience, but obviously people COULD make up any linguistic rule they want for a fake language. maybe it's pronounced "George". but "ts/tz" is an English sound that fits here

Lord-Otto

Raisin wrote: »

Can I ask where you would get 'Ta-zoggin' from? It doesn't make sense to me by any linguistic guidelines. I mean you'd be adding a vowel for no reason, and removing a consonant for no reason. I don't really get it.
If there's no indicator to pronounce it like that, I don't think it qualified as a potential candidate! The only options I can see is whether the T is silent or not -- so 'zogvin' versus 'tsogvin' basically.

Americans often break their tongues trying to speak two successive consonants. "Gjallarhorn", Heimdall's trumpet horn, is a good example. Instead of pronouncing it how it's written, I've seen them asking whether it's "Ge-jallarhorn" or "Jallarhorn". (^_^)'

Raisin

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Raisin wrote: »

Can I ask where you would get 'Ta-zoggin' from? It doesn't make sense to me by any linguistic guidelines. I mean you'd be adding a vowel for no reason, and removing a consonant for no reason. I don't really get it.
If there's no indicator to pronounce it like that, I don't think it qualified as a potential candidate! The only options I can see is whether the T is silent or not -- so 'zogvin' versus 'tsogvin' basically.

Americans often break their tongues trying to speak two successive consonants. "Gjallarhorn", Heimdall's trumpet horn, is a good example. Instead of pronouncing it how it's written, I've seen them asking whether it's "Ge-jallarhorn" or "Jallarhorn". (^_^)'

Interesting! I guess most popular would then be to just drop the T then, similar to Tsunami and other such words in English. The elongation if the first letter into its own syllable is definitely new to me, ty for the insight!

Makes me wonder how people would feel about pronouncing Mġarr ix-Xini.

Lord-Otto

Raisin wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Raisin wrote: »

Can I ask where you would get 'Ta-zoggin' from? It doesn't make sense to me by any linguistic guidelines. I mean you'd be adding a vowel for no reason, and removing a consonant for no reason. I don't really get it.
If there's no indicator to pronounce it like that, I don't think it qualified as a potential candidate! The only options I can see is whether the T is silent or not -- so 'zogvin' versus 'tsogvin' basically.

Americans often break their tongues trying to speak two successive consonants. "Gjallarhorn", Heimdall's trumpet horn, is a good example. Instead of pronouncing it how it's written, I've seen them asking whether it's "Ge-jallarhorn" or "Jallarhorn". (^_^)'

Interesting! I guess most popular would then be to just drop the T then, similar to Tsunami and other such words in English. The elongation if the first letter into its own syllable is definitely new to me, ty for the insight!

Makes me wonder how people would feel about pronouncing Mġarr ix-Xini.

Think they just consider the t in "Tsunami" silent. Whenever I've heard americans speaking of a tsunami, I couldn't really hear the hard t-sound.
When Bungie released a weapon called "Mannanan" some people had a meltdown. xD It's easy to me, "Man-na-nan", but since those guys were used to separating consonants with filling vowels, they were like "Ma-na-na-nan", rightfully confusing them.
Oh, our cute island cousins from the west! Gotta love 'em!

Maulkin

I my head it makes a sound like the German letter Z in zwei. Which would make the name sound closer to Tsogvin in English.

Another way i imagine it is like the Đ in southern Slavic languages (Serbo-Croatian) which is more akin to how Brits the letter d in Duke. With a hint of z in there, like a dz.

But this being made by American game developers the intention is probably for it be pronounced Zogvin, with the silent T just making it look a bit more exotic.

Texecutioner187 wrote: »

Which is right and why? Is it spoke somewhere in quests or lore to be able to actually hear an NPC say it?

Voiced NPCs frequently pronounce the same name differently. They don't know ship.

Firstmep

Cog-Vin?

Lord-Otto

Maulkin wrote: »

I my head it makes a sound like the German letter z in zwei. Which would make the name sound closer to Tsogvin in English.

Another way i imagine it is like the Đ in southern Slavic languages (Serbo-Croatian) which is more akin to how Brits the letter d in Duke. With a hint of z in there, like a dz.

But this being made by American game developers the intention is probably for it be pronounced Zogvin with the silent t just making it look a bit more exotic.

Americans (and to be fair, other language-speakers as well) actually pronounce "zwei" wrong. Usually. It's a very hard sound, similar to a hissing s. But in other countries, it's usually pronounced like a soft s, like in "suave". It's funny hearing americans talk about Dark Soul's "Sssweihander" from a german's point of view! xD
No offense, of course, don't get me wrong. I'm sure I'm butchering british and american pronounciations, as well. It's just entertaining to me. The beauty of different languages... (^-^)

Kesstryl

Anyone who speaks Russian would have no trouble with the "TZ" sound. It is not pronounced Taz, it is actually a T and a Z sound together with no vowel inbetween, like in the word pizza.

Grianasteri

I pronounce it how it is spelled, phonetically. Tz makes a sound, I use that sound at the start and the rest is straight forward. Tz-og-vin. No idea if that's right, but without lore/linguistics to guide one, I just go phonetically.
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