Why vampire skin have white kind of color?

Env_t

i found it offensive that we have only white version of vampire skin
will be nice to see black version of vampire skin too, thanks

Rake

Oh, please.

Lord-Otto

Because we don't see the sun very often. Duh.

Jack_Of_Shades

Env_t wrote: »

i found it offensive that we have only white version of vampire skin
will be nice to see black version of vampire skin too, thanks

Vampires are usually "dead" in mythology [games or otherwise], and even with dark skin it becomes light when the body has died. The blood has discontinued flowing throughout the arteries and veins. So when you die, regardless of race, you will notice their skin become much lighter than it was. This is the biology of the human anatomy, which is science.To be offended by science is... astounding, to say the least.

Env_t

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Because we don't see the sun very often. Duh.

vampires in eso can walk under sun

Lord-Otto

Env_t wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Because we don't see the sun very often. Duh.

vampires in eso can walk under sun

Sunscreen factor 9000. But don't tell anyone Lamae's tricks. ;3

SpacemanSpiff1

dont like it? use a skin.

Glurin

Jack_Of_Shades wrote: »

Env_t wrote: »

i found it offensive that we have only white version of vampire skin
will be nice to see black version of vampire skin too, thanks

Vampires are usually "dead" in mythology [games or otherwise], and even with dark skin it becomes light when the body has died. The blood has discontinued flowing throughout the arteries and veins. So when you die, regardless of race, you will notice their skin become much lighter than it was. This is the biology of the human anatomy, which is science.To be offended by science is... astounding, to say the least.

It is astounding, but sadly these days it's also extremely common.

Raisin

Ignoring the baity 'offensive' part... The game really doesn't handle dark-skinned vampires well. I was definitely disappointed to see this on my redguard vampire, but it is clearly a game limitation. The way the vampire skin functions works reasonably on most characters, so working out a different effect for the few dark-skinned redguards probably isn't a priority.

The way the current system works does legitimately make dark-skinned characters seemingly change race, rather than giving them an ashy/blood-drained/desaturated effect based on their own pigmentation. It's not reasonable to call it scientifically accurate. It is however accurate to say that vampirism is literally magic, and all vampires just happen to change appearance like this. :P It's no different than their change in eye-color, in the end.

TheShadowScout

Raisin wrote: »

The game really doesn't handle dark-skinned vampires well.

True enough:

...and elven eyes even worse:

...but... alas... that is what we have to deal with when we decide to let one of our characters become a child of Lamae Bal I guess.

I am way more puzzled by how khajiiti fur turns white too, while all other races keep their heir colors...

Zorgon_The_Revenged

Melanin is the pigment that gives the skin its characteristic color. Vitiligo is caused by a loss of pigment in the skin, due to destruction of pigment-forming cells known as melanocytes. Although vitiligo affects all races equally, it is more noticeable in dark-skinned people. Vitiligo can cause cosmetic problems.

Human melanocytes are distributed not only in the epidermis and in hair follicles but also in mucosa, cochlea (ear), iris (eye), and mesencephalon (brain) among other tissues. Melanocytes, which are derived from the neural crest, are unique in that they produce eu-/pheo-melanin pigments in unique membrane-bound organelles termed melanosomes, which can be divided into four stages depending on their degree of maturation. Pigmentation production is determined by three distinct elements: enzymes involved in melanin synthesis, proteins required for melanosome structure, and proteins required for their trafficking and distribution. Many genes are involved in regulating pigmentation at various levels, and mutations in many of them cause pigmentary disorders, which can be classified into three types: hyperpigmentation (including melasma), hypopigmentation (including oculocutaneous albinism [OCA]), and mixed hyper-/hypopigmentation (including dyschromatosis symmetrica hereditaria).

Hair color is the pigmentation of hair follicles due to two types of melanin: eumelanin and pheomelanin. Generally, if more eumelanin is present, the color of the hair is darker; if less eumelanin is present, the hair is lighter.

Env_t

Raisin wrote: »

The game really doesn't handle dark-skinned vampires well

its sad

TheTwistedRune

Like this? Classic film too.

Vevvev

Reason for the vampire's appearance is because it itself is actually a skin. This is why skins override the vampire appearance and why vampires don't have modeled fangs. Unlike other Elder Scrolls games where there is code that adjusts your appearance once effected, ESO just slaps a skin on and calls it a day. Also why the beast races like Khajiit and Argonians also turn white and why the Elves get the same eyes as Humans.

jircris11

Env_t wrote: »

i found it offensive that we have only white version of vampire skin
will be nice to see black version of vampire skin too, thanks

Dude, look up what Jack of blood dies to skin, even dark skin turns white

Ghanima_Atreides

Interestingly enough, there IS an example of a vampire character who keeps their darker skintone while still looking like a vampire (I'm not talking about the incognito vampires who just look mortal)

Greymoor spoilers ahead:

The main antagonist from Greymoor, a Redguard, is not pale despite having red vampire eyes.

(Not the best photo, it's the only one I could find, but you can see what I'm talking about).

Sephyr

Vevvev wrote: »

Reason for the vampire's appearance is because it itself is actually a skin. This is why skins override the vampire appearance and why vampires don't have modeled fangs. Unlike other Elder Scrolls games where there is code that adjusts your appearance once effected, ESO just slaps a skin on and calls it a day. Also why the beast races like Khajiit and Argonians also turn white and why the Elves get the same eyes as Humans.

That last part bugs me the most.

Bradyfjord

In the Anne Rice vampire novels there are some minor characters that were black rather than caucasian. Their skin turns ashen, but not quite white. Maybe that's what they were going for?

Thevampirenight

Jack_Of_Shades wrote: »

Env_t wrote: »

i found it offensive that we have only white version of vampire skin
will be nice to see black version of vampire skin too, thanks

Vampires are usually "dead" in mythology [games or otherwise], and even with dark skin it becomes light when the body has died. The blood has discontinued flowing throughout the arteries and veins. So when you die, regardless of race, you will notice their skin become much lighter than it was. This is the biology of the human anatomy, which is science.To be offended by science is... astounding, to say the least.

The one problem with that is tes Vampirism for the most part does not make the vampire biologically dead.
Tes doesn't fully follow real life science or real life folklore it has its own unique way of doing things. Since its a magical reality and has its own type of science that differs.

The one thing that is constant about Tes Vampirism is its a biological+Magicial alteration of the body through a magicial disease.
Each strain can be considered distinctly distinct from one another sharing different or similar weaknesses and what not.
If the Vampire does die from the transition their body is resuscitated back to a form of life depending on the strain instead of reanimated unless they are killed by a blood fiend then they reanimate as a blood fiend ghoul.
The meaning of the word resuscitated is to revive (someone) from unconsciousness or apparent death.
The vampires in Oblivion, Skyrim and Eso before the Greymoor are shown to transition to from a more living state to a more undead state when not fed. Greymoor vampires transition from a more living when not fed to a more undead state when well fed.

Tes Vampires can benefit from eating and drinking normal people food.
They drown,
They Freeze to death.
They can bleed to death.
They have heartbeats but there might be some exceptions and it could be strain based.
So they could be not fully alive but they are not fully undead either and that makes them both but not fully the other,
So they are form of living undead if anything. They are both alive and undead at the same time.

https://powerlisting.fandom.com/wiki/Undead_Pulse
User exists in a paradox state of being simultaneously alive and undead by all definitions of both states.
Their living and undead states may exist on a scale depending on how healthy they are.

So Tes Vampires fit best when placed under the Undead Pulse Concept.

Env_t

Ghanima_Atreides wrote: »

Interestingly enough, there IS an example of a vampire character who keeps their darker skintone while still looking like a vampire (I'm not talking about the incognito vampires who just look mortal)

Greymoor spoilers ahead:

The main antagonist from Greymoor, a Redguard, is not pale despite having red vampire eyes.

(Not the best photo, it's the only one I could find, but you can see what I'm talking about).

yes this is good example of dark skinned vampire

Vevvev

MornaBaine wrote: »

One possible solution would be to offer us a "skin" in the crown shop that allows us to make our vampires look mortal again, a request that is as old as the crown store itself. I thought for sure they'd finally break down and offer it to us with Greymoor but...nope. It's extremely disappointing on many levels and certainly tone def on ZOS' part.

That'll never happen sadly because one of the devs, I forgot his name, said on a stream one of the "debuffs" was the terrible appearance. Which is completely crazy in my opinion since you can hide it with every single skin in the game, NPCs have been shown to hide the appearance, and the Maormer Fish and Arctic Rime skin both make you roughly look like a normal person.

Sephyr

Vevvev wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

One possible solution would be to offer us a "skin" in the crown shop that allows us to make our vampires look mortal again, a request that is as old as the crown store itself. I thought for sure they'd finally break down and offer it to us with Greymoor but...nope. It's extremely disappointing on many levels and certainly tone def on ZOS' part.

That'll never happen sadly because one of the devs, I forgot his name, said on a stream one of the "debuffs" was the terrible appearance. Which is completely crazy in my opinion since you can hide it with every single skin in the game, NPCs have been shown to hide the appearance, and the Maormer Fish and Arctic Rime skin both make you roughly look like a normal person.

I also remember that they were going to fix that where vampirism would show through said skin in a stream, but it never happened. There are also certain disguises that hide it as well that you can freely collect and keep in the game. So long as you don't get hit by those mobs you stole the disguise from, you can pretty much hide it and do everything else.

Banana

It looks different once your on fire

Glurin

Bradyfjord wrote: »

In the Anne Rice vampire novels there are some minor characters that were black rather than caucasian. Their skin turns ashen, but not quite white. Maybe that's what they were going for?

I'm sure it was. You can kind of see what the effect is meant to do on argonians. A blue skinned argonian will become a very light shade of blue. Red to a very light shade of red. Yellow to light yellow. It takes whatever your base color is and washes it out so it becomes much lighter, simulating what you might see on someone who's been dead for a while. If you start out with very dark skin, you go closer to a greyish color. Light skin gets you very, very white.

Of course, this entire conversation could be stemming from the what color to paint the room dilemma. You know the one:

Wife: "I think we should go with Snowbound. But Ice Cube is good too. Oh, but I like Alabaster also. Then again, Flour might look better with the drapes. What do you think honey?"

Husband: ".....It's white. We're painting the room white. Just pick a can already so we can go home."

Monte_Cristo

Raisin wrote: »

The way the current system works does legitimately make dark-skinned characters seemingly change race, rather than giving them an ashy/blood-drained/desaturated effect based on their own pigmentation.

I'd say it make everyone look albino, rather than changing race.

idk

Vampires lose their pigment with ESO vampires. That is why their skin turns white. It is as simple as that.

Gilvoth

vampires are spose to be the living dead, the white color is what happens when you are dead, its a sickly whitish blueish tinge and its ugly. thats just realism. the living dead.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

Env_t wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Because we don't see the sun very often. Duh.

vampires in eso can walk under sun

Something ZOS seems to have neglected, why is every NPC Vampire in the game regardless of bloodline able to walk around in sunlight? did ZOS forget most Vampires will burn to death? only a few clans such as our own are an exception.

Kind of makes the entire plot of Dawnguard in Skyrim irrelevant when the sun does not even effect them.

Sephyr

Gilvoth wrote: »

vampires are spose to be the living dead, the white color is what happens when you are dead, its a sickly whitish blueish tinge and its ugly. thats just realism. the living dead.

Having gone to literally multiple body farms for college, there's nothing realistic about the paleness of vampires. Here's why actual bodies turn white/blue/purpleish.

What you're specifically referencing is livor mortis, which is gravity making blood pool and settle to the lowest part of the body. As it settles to the closest portion of the body toward the ground, you can start to develop purple or red bruises where blood has pooled to. It's ralso slightly in a gradient depending on time of death.

Given that vampires do in fact have a heartbeat according to various book sources within the game, unless that's false then the legs should be purple with the feet being a near-necrotic black. Exsanguination would be slightly logical, however given that there is in fact lore that at least insinuates that blood is moved throughout the body and all health is NOT removed in the quest - biologically they'd not have any discoloration as their heart had already restarted and has pumped blood throughout the body.

Just stick with the skin discoloration being a magical affliction. It's easier to explain away the science that way.

Glurin

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Env_t wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Because we don't see the sun very often. Duh.

vampires in eso can walk under sun

Something ZOS seems to have neglected, why is every NPC Vampire in the game regardless of bloodline able to walk around in sunlight? did ZOS forget most Vampires will burn to death? only a few clans such as our own are an exception.

Kind of makes the entire plot of Dawnguard in Skyrim irrelevant when the sun does not even effect them.

I consider it a limitation imposed by the fact that this is an MMO. It would be quite impractical to implement burning in sunlight in this environment.

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