Non-Pet Sorcerer needs a buff

MrBrownstone

It's currently the worst Magicka setup and most people hate the pets. I myself don't use them and hate the fact that I'm gimping my damage. It wasn't that bad before the latest patch which introduced Bloodthirsty for pets. Now the gap is too big, there should be some changes. I think Bound Aegis is the perfect opportunity for this. Like how it's more than a passive slot on Stamina now, give it something that only benefits non-pet Magicka builds. I know it belongs to the Daedric Summoning line and it would be kinda weird if the skill encouraged no summons but it already isn't slotted on pet builds. Any ideas?

Lord-Otto

Oh, you better put "in PvE" in the title or people will grab their pitchforks!
(^_^)'

Liquid Lightning needs a massive buff, it's our class DoT and we're not using it. But this would also help pet builds.
Buffing Aegis is a possibility, as is buffing Inner Light. Fury is useless in PvE, but you gotta buff it responsibly, else... PvPler riot. >x3
Better sustain. Pets are passive dps which costs no magicka. Increase sustain and spamming spammables becomes more attractive.
And let Blood for Blood proc Frags. Can't believe ZOS overlooked that. More pseudo-free spammables with Frag procs relieve pressure from your sustain.

That should help sorc dps quite a bit.

Qbiken

I really hope this is a pve thread or else I'm lost

the1andonlyskwex

I feel like if you're refusing to use your class's most iconic skills you should expect to be weak.

Lord-Otto

Qbiken wrote: »

I really hope this is a pve thread or else I'm lost

It is, says so a couple lines in. Am I right to assume you only saw the title and reached for your torch and pitchfork?
>;3

Qbiken

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

I really hope this is a pve thread or else I'm lost

It is, says so a couple lines in. Am I right to assume you only saw the title and reached for your torch and pitchfork?
>;3

Nah, the pitchfork is safely locked in the cabinet

Lysette

Most of the time my sorcerers and wardens forget to summon their minions anyway - it is very rare that i summon them to walk with me, i rather summon them when I feel a bit overwhelmed by the current situation or when the server performance is bad - because sometimes they rescue me, when my connection is dropped, but the server still deems me logged in.

alanmatillab16_ESO

You have pvp whiners to thank for abilities being nerfed. This is certainly not unique to ESO, in nearly every other MMO I have played the nerfs come from pvp.

When will developers learn to seperate pvp abilities from pve.

Lord-Otto

Qbiken wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Qbiken wrote: »

I really hope this is a pve thread or else I'm lost

It is, says so a couple lines in. Am I right to assume you only saw the title and reached for your torch and pitchfork?
>;3

Nah, the pitchfork is safely locked in the cabinet

Which leaves the torch. My vampy senses are tingling! (0.0)! *flaps away*

Kadoin

No.

By that logic, nearly all skills on every class needs a buff.

thorwyn

I have to agree with OP. My main is a Sorcerer and I love the class, but I would really appreciate some more flexibility without losing too much DPS.

Elvenheart

If the pet we could summon was the blue flame atronoch instead of the huge flapping thing I would definitely be a pet sorc. It offends me that the flapping thing doesn’t have arms, only wings. And we should get some little flying thing like one of those cute electric sprites instead of a dinosaur 😁

Sephyr

Lord-Otto wrote: »

And let Blood for Blood proc Frags. Can't believe ZOS overlooked that. More pseudo-free spammables with Frag procs relieve pressure from your sustain.

I sadly can. Judging how Magicka Necros got shafted with the secondary effect of Blastbones not working as well as the siphons being erratic and we're supposed to deal with it, I kind of expected them to start neglecting Sorcs as well.

MrBrownstone

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Oh, you better put "in PvE" in the title or people will grab their pitchforks!
(^_^)'

Liquid Lightning needs a massive buff, it's our class DoT and we're not using it. But this would also help pet builds.
Buffing Aegis is a possibility, as is buffing Inner Light. Fury is useless in PvE, but you gotta buff it responsibly, else... PvPler riot. >x3
Better sustain. Pets are passive dps which costs no magicka. Increase sustain and spamming spammables becomes more attractive.
And let Blood for Blood proc Frags. Can't believe ZOS overlooked that. More pseudo-free spammables with Frag procs relieve pressure from your sustain.

That should help sorc dps quite a bit.

Yes please... Liquid Lightning is dead while Winter's Revenge and Boneyard are useful... It was the defining skill.

Fury is pretty good imo. They just need to increase treshold to 25% and nerf it so only the caster can proc it, this way it will be much less of a problem in PvP. I also PvP with Sorc and agree that it's a stupid skill.

AcadianPaladin

It is not that my matriarch only build doesn't like summons. It is that the matriarch, while a good skill, is very irritating to live with. Unsummoning them in towns does not change how irritating they are while adventuring. Reduce the size by at least half and I'd be good to go.

More on topic though, I'd be happy to see more options for magsorcs that bring up the no pet dps some.

Curious_Death

that is why i have 12 heroes - 6 classes - both mag/stam

this patch pvp -
1) stamden/magsorc
2) stamplar/stamcro
3) magden/magdk

pve:
1)stamcro

WrathOfInnos

Agreed that Bound Aegis is a pretty lackluster replacement for pets on your skill bar. At a minimum, Aegis needs to activate the Expert Summomer passive to give 8% Health. There’s no reason non-pet Sorc should be that squishy. A little something more with the passive damage on Aegis would be nice too, maybe increase the Magicka bonus to 10-12%, or let Aegis also increase Crit Damage by 5%.

Gilvoth

Kadoin wrote: »

No.

By that logic, nearly all skills on every class needs a buff.

this ^
exactly

Lord-Otto

Gilvoth wrote: »

Kadoin wrote: »

No.

By that logic, nearly all skills on every class needs a buff.

this ^
exactly

And if that included buffing nightblades?

Stx

I sympathize with not wanting to use pets... but you run into the same problem as wardens who only want to use ice. Any time you choose to ignore a certain tree of your class, you will never perform as well as a build that utilizes all of them. Unfortunately that's just how the classes are balanced right now.

the1andonlyskwex

Stx wrote: »

I sympathize with not wanting to use pets... but you run into the same problem as wardens who only want to use ice. Any time you choose to ignore a certain tree of your class, you will never perform as well as a build that utilizes all of them. Unfortunately that's just how the classes are balanced right now.

Similarly, you can't really be a no-DoT DK, or a no-channel Templar and expect to perform as you would if you used those skills.

Iki

What if haunting curse was changed so that it would buff all lightning-dmg against cursed target? Or if that would be too much, buff dmg of storm calling tree abilities. Something like 5-10% dmg increase would work wonders for non-pet sorcs in pve, as it would buff liquid lightning and fury and it would also make boundless storm and overload bit more intresting options for pve sorcs.
Sorc is the class that is supposed to be masters of lightning element, yet sorcs use mostly fire- or magic-abilities, thats bit sad imo. My idea could make lightning-mages a thing and I don`t think I`m only one who would like to see that happen.

Weesacs

Qbiken wrote: »

I really hope this is a pve thread or else I'm lost

Haha this. I almost choked on my dinner seeing this title 😂

tigerborn62

I agree. They totally need to rework sorcerer. I LOVE magic and I LOVE the element "storm", but I detest those stupid pets. In fact, I in no way, shape or form think "combat pets" when I think of a sorcerer. So completely wrong in this game. Fix it, please, ZOS. For the love of god, change this mess now.
Thank you and god bless.

cheemers

alanmatillab16_ESO wrote: »

You have pvp whiners to thank for abilities being nerfed. This is certainly not unique to ESO, in nearly every other MMO I have played the nerfs come from pvp.

When will developers learn to seperate pvp abilities from pve.

How is that even relevant to sorcerer here? Frags losing their stun?

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Kesstryl

In traditional fantasy a Sorc or Wizard uses more elemental magic, the ESO version seems more like a Summoner than a Sorc. Atronachs that don't flap in everyone's face or look like two legged Triceratops would have been way cooler than what we got.

Mindcr0w

tigerborn62 wrote: »

In fact, I in no way, shape or form think "combat pets" when I think of a sorcerer

Sorcerers have had conjuration as one of their cornerstone abilities in every TES game that has included both premade classes and the conjuration skill.

D0PAMINE

I only run the scamp for the health bonus and stun. I don't enjoy the pets, but it's w/e.

holden_caulfield

A post asking to buff sorcs.
Now i know that everything is possible.
I Can die happy

Magdalina

Stx wrote: »

I sympathize with not wanting to use pets... but you run into the same problem as wardens who only want to use ice. Any time you choose to ignore a certain tree of your class, you will never perform as well as a build that utilizes all of them. Unfortunately that's just how the classes are balanced right now.

Indeed. You shouldn't just ignore a whole class tree and be better off without it...oh, wait.

This is exactly what is happening to poor Storm Calling Tree, is it not? Even as a non pet sorc (as a magicka dd in veteran PvE, that is) you'll still want to use at least Curse and Atronach from Daedric Summoning tree (Bound Aegis too probably, so that's a 3/6 skills actually), but Storm Calling tree might as well not exist: Fury (which has been one of the defining skill since launch) is not really worth it anymore, Liquid Lightning is not worth it anymore (I can't believe we went back to it being a dead skill again, I remember how ecstatic everyone was when they finally made it useful and there we go again...), Overload isn't worth it...how about we make this tree useful (again) as well?

laksikus

And storm calling passives arent good either, right?