Stealth Nerfed??

LoneDrkWolf

Gone for 5 months, still paying though, and when I come back stealth sucks. My 3 favorite things to do in game (other than pve quests): thieves guild (max), dark brotherhood (max), werewolf. I now notice that if I am crouched (stealthed) and not moving, I'm being seen and found by enemies half a screen away. Also, I watch my "prey". I time their moves, how long they stay, whether its going to be a slight side attack, or full on backstab. I sneak until "blade of woe" shows. Then I strike immediately. But I've been getting caught full on back turned 7 out of 10 times. Before it was rare I was caught. WTF did these fixtrot Tangis do?

Sealish

There are three sets that reduce stealth radius, and the set bonuses are on a 3, 4, and 5. This means that you can benefit from all three at once. They are medium armor so you also get the stealth passive.

If you do this as a Khajiit you are now completely invisible and can literally stand in front of NPCs and they don't notice you till you touch them. If you aren't then as long as you stand out of melee range (approx, but I use it as a guide) you can still stealth past NPCs' faces.

Something to note though, murder is special. Even though you may be hidden when you initiate the murder, your stealth bonus drops to pretty much nothing while it is taking place (people notice the victim even if YOU are stealthy) so you can still be caught if you do it within eyesight.

LoneDrkWolf

Sealish wrote: »

There are three sets that reduce stealth radius, and the set bonuses are on a 3, 4, and 5. This means that you can benefit from all three at once. They are medium armor so you also get the stealth passive.

If you do this as a Khajiit you are now completely invisible and can literally stand in front of NPCs and they don't notice you till you touch them. If you aren't then as long as you stand out of melee range (approx, but I use it as a guide) you can still stealth past NPCs' faces.

Something to note though, murder is special. Even though you may be hidden when you initiate the murder, your stealth bonus drops to pretty much nothing while it is taking place (people notice the victim even if YOU are stealthy) so you can still be caught if you do it within eyesight.

I know this. I maybe wearing heavy armor, but 5 months ago, I got noticed alot les on this same character. I was also vampire then and when I came back. I've also got champion points in areas for stealth. Never had a problem until I came back. This is all programming and not build. My wife used to play her character with tbis one for the fact that it could sneak and kill better than others.

LoneDrkWolf

Here's an update. Went onto my "main", if thats what you want to call him. FULL leather, maxed Dark Brotherhood, maxed Thieves (lol 50 757). He now has issues staying syealthed. [snip] The main has fully maxed ALL crafts. He used to get mail deliveries for crafting items. It is now hit or miss. He gets a couple, but the rest go to another lol 50 character I have, that hasn't put ANY SKILL points into crafting. [snip] Say what you want but that last little bit proves they're screwing with peoples accounts. And no haven't gotten greymoor. I dont upgrade for at least a week from now.

[Edited for Conspiracy]

volkeswagon

i wear night terror, night mothers embrace and another and I can literally sneak between two npc's who are standing three feet apart. I do find that the detection radius reductions aren't the same for monsters. I find i can't sneak past them nearly as well

Everstorm

The only stealth related nerf has been the butchering of the bosmer racial.

laksikus

LoneDrkWolf wrote: »

Here's an update. Went onto my "main", if thats what you want to call him. FULL leather, maxed Dark Brotherhood, maxed Thieves (lol 50 757). He now has issues staying syealthed. [snip] The main has fully maxed ALL crafts. He used to get mail deliveries for crafting items. It is now hit or miss. He gets a couple, but the rest go to another lol 50 character I have, that hasn't put ANY SKILL points into crafting. [snip] Say what you want but that last little bit proves they're screwing with peoples accounts. And no haven't gotten greymoor. I dont upgrade for at least a week from now.

[Edited for Conspiracy]

Hireling mails always show the name of the char you are on. So if you reloged from your crafter, to another char then open mail ofc it will show that chars name

LoneDrkWolf

LoneDrkWolf wrote: »

Here's an update. Went onto my "main", if thats what you want to call him. FULL leather, maxed Dark Brotherhood, maxed Thieves (lol 50 757). He now has issues staying syealthed. [snip] The main has fully maxed ALL crafts. He used to get mail deliveries for crafting items. It is now hit or miss. He gets a couple, but the rest go to another lol 50 character I have, that hasn't put ANY SKILL points into crafting. [snip] Say what you want but that last little bit proves they're screwing with peoples accounts. And no haven't gotten greymoor. I dont upgrade for at least a week from now.

[Edited for Conspiracy]

Hey ZOS. [snip]

[edited for discussing disciplinary actions]

AlAbaster

Sealish wrote: »

If you do this as a Khajiit you are now completely invisible and can literally stand in front of NPCs and they don't notice you till you touch them.

And even if you're not a Khajit … like my Redguard … these three sets make you effectively invisible to NPC if you use just minimal care to be stealthy.

LoneDrkWolf

laksikus wrote: »

LoneDrkWolf wrote: »

Here's an update. Went onto my "main", if thats what you want to call him. FULL leather, maxed Dark Brotherhood, maxed Thieves (lol 50 757). He now has issues staying syealthed. [snip] The main has fully maxed ALL crafts. He used to get mail deliveries for crafting items. It is now hit or miss. He gets a couple, but the rest go to another lol 50 character I have, that hasn't put ANY SKILL points into crafting. [snip] Say what you want but that last little bit proves they're screwing with peoples accounts. And no haven't gotten greymoor. I dont upgrade for at least a week from now.

[Edited for Conspiracy]

Hireling mails always show the name of the char you are on. So if you reloged from your crafter, to another char then open mail ofc it will show that chars name

yeah, its NOT showing the name. The mail IS actually being mailed to that character. Before I walked away 5 months ago to take a break, it never happened one time, that when I opened my mail on a character that didn't have crating skills, that the hirelings mail was there. I always had to go to the character with crafting to get the hirelings mail.

LoneDrkWolf

volkeswagon wrote: »

i wear night terror, night mothers embrace and another and I can literally sneak between two npc's who are standing three feet apart. I do find that the detection radius reductions aren't the same for monsters. I find i can't sneak past them nearly as well

This is happening with NPCs and monsters. Even on my character with full leather maxed settings, and 757 champ points (not all) used to help stealth.

Everstorm

There are no CPs that make you harder to detect, only reduce the stamina cost. The fact that you keep bringing this up makes me wonder how much you know about stealth.
Just wearing full leather has never been enough for stealing/pickpocketing/assassinating reliably. With a bit of care it might allow you to sneak behind npcs' back but that's all.

Ryath_Waylander

I'm not saying this is your issue, but with my thief, I swear my non-combat pet has become a snitch in the last 2 months. I've started unequipping it when I steal because it is the only thing nearby that could be seeing me.