Tyvm! ZoS! For destroying my VampHealTank build!

Vanos444

Thank you so much! I can't imagine one patch could ruin my build. But I thank you for it and those that supported you to not allow mist form to be usefull like it's on live.
I mean, it's not just the mist form but the vampire stages and the way it's handled. It's more focused on PvE RP than actual PvP and PvE content.
I have seen ppl be vamp and yes it can be viable but not in a huge margin as it was before Greymoor patch.

So, thank you so much to a ruin a build that I loved. Thank you!

mikejezz

I've never been a vamp, but seeing the trees before and after revamp the passive seemed godlike before.

Kadoin

I wasn't even vamp and I got nerfed because of some crappy mythic items and spell parasite set.

For that, I still want the chapter deleted. It introduced absolutely nothing positive for me at all.

Vanos444

mikejezz wrote: »

I've never been a vamp, but seeing the trees before and after revamp the passive seemed godlike before.

Yes it's truly God like on paper. I very much agree.

Ankaridan

My vampire tank is loving it. I'm running Stage 4. AoE stun with Hypnotize for crowd control, and with damage reduction added into Blood Mist, I don't even have to block anymore - I just Mist Form for heavy attacks or when I need heals, and let Blood Mist soak it back up. 3 dps runs suddenly got so much easier, not to mention the value of Hypnotize for fights like MHK HM and MGF HM.

Vanos444

Ankaridan wrote: »

My vampire tank is loving it. I'm running Stage 4. AoE stun with Hypnotize for crowd control, and with damage reduction added into Blood Mist, I don't even have to block anymore - I just Mist Form for heavy attacks or when I need heals, and let Blood Mist soak it back up. 3 dps runs suddenly got so much easier, not to mention the value of Hypnotize for fights like MHK HM and MGF HM.

And any bright ideas for PvP?!
It's good you found something to play with Pugs runs..

preevious

My gods ..

A chapter is bound to change things around.
i'm really sorry for your build, but it happened to many in the past, and it'll happen to many in the future.
Such is the price of a system where any class can be anything. Skills change. things happen.

Those passive-aggressive posts "thx for ruining XXX" have to stop. Unngh ...

Vevvev

Vanos444 wrote: »

And any bright ideas for PvP?!
It's good you found something to play with Pugs runs..

I have some ideas and strategies I developed a short time ago. As much as I hate this rework the greatest tool in the vampire's arsenal is the stage 4 passive... amazingly. In a team based PVP fight you suddenly become a flanker and I did it so many times in the Imperial City last night the EP group had a very hard time dealing with it.

Typically in group fights the frontline fighters charge ahead to meet the enemy head on. These are the hard to kill tanks with the powerful burst attacks you have to look out for, but the people behind them are typically the healers and long range damage dealers. This back line is more focused on your allies and suddenly getting ganked from behind or the sides can be devastating, especially with the Strike from the Shadows passive applying to you after you leave the invisibility sprint. Kill the group's healers and your group will have an easier time winning the battle.

Basically you're playing like a nightblade but using stamina to stay invisible instead of magicka. Also Stupify's 53% snare can be very useful if you can land the dang thing.

Donny_Vito

Well, seeing as they completely changed the vampire up... Not sure what other result you were expecting.

mavfin

The only thing you can count on in an MMO is that things will change. No build works forever.

robertthebard

mavfin wrote: »

The only thing you can count on in an MMO is that things will change. No build works forever.

Indeed, that's why it's called Flavor of the Month, and not Flavor of the Game.

Rtzon

The new vamp changes are awesome... if you actually want to play vamp. No more passive vamping which is a good thing imo

kaisernick

Kadoin wrote: »

I wasn't even vamp and I got nerfed because of some crappy mythic items and spell parasite set.

For that, I still want the chapter deleted. It introduced absolutely nothing positive for me at all.

key point here, im effected therfor it must go away.

Your not the only person in the game buddy and news flash build get nerfed all the time in every mmo.

TheSeraphim

Rtzon wrote: »

The new vamp changes are awesome... if you actually want to play vamp. No more passive vamping which is a good thing imo

Passive vamping? You mean like how vampire was treated in all ES games pre-vampire lord? Vampire was always passives with some minor flavor skills.

robertthebard

TheSeraphim wrote: »

Rtzon wrote: »

The new vamp changes are awesome... if you actually want to play vamp. No more passive vamping which is a good thing imo

Passive vamping? You mean like how vampire was treated in all ES games pre-vampire lord? Vampire was always passives with some minor flavor skills.

This just in: This isn't other ES games. Film at 11.

Austinseph1

There is a difference between making vamp an active role and destroying it altogether, they completely missed the mark.

robertthebard

Austinseph1 wrote: »

There is a difference between making vamp an active role and destroying it altogether, they completely missed the mark.

Really, because a lot of people are saying otherwise. There wasn't a decrease in "I need a vamp bite" shouts this morning, that I could see either, and I would guess that those people are making a decision based around the changes, since they've been the highlight of discussion at all hours.

idk

Vevvev wrote: »

Vanos444 wrote: »

And any bright ideas for PvP?!
It's good you found something to play with Pugs runs..

I have some ideas and strategies I developed a short time ago. As much as I hate this rework the greatest tool in the vampire's arsenal is the stage 4 passive... amazingly. In a team based PVP fight you suddenly become a flanker and I did it so many times in the Imperial City last night the EP group had a very hard time dealing with it.

Typically in group fights the frontline fighters charge ahead to meet the enemy head on. These are the hard to kill tanks with the powerful burst attacks you have to look out for, but the people behind them are typically the healers and long range damage dealers. This back line is more focused on your allies and suddenly getting ganked from behind or the sides can be devastating, especially with the Strike from the Shadows passive applying to you after you leave the invisibility sprint. Kill the group's healers and your group will have an easier time winning the battle.

Basically you're playing like a nightblade but using stamina to stay invisible instead of magicka. Also Stupify's 53% snare can be very useful if you can land the dang thing.

I think this demonstrates that exploring the changes and how they can be utilized will make a big difference in how useful the vampire skill line is for each of us. I am not a fan of such a heavy change but I do see some positive aspects with the new line.

LuxLunae

kaisernick wrote: »

Kadoin wrote: »

I wasn't even vamp and I got nerfed because of some crappy mythic items and spell parasite set.

For that, I still want the chapter deleted. It introduced absolutely nothing positive for me at all.

key point here, im effected therfor it must go away.

Your not the only person in the game buddy and news flash build get nerfed all the time in every mmo.

you're*

xXMeowMeowXx

@Vanos444 make a bunch of new builds....and have fun.

Sorry your PvP tanky got changed up but make a better one.

Vanos444

Vevvev wrote: »

Vanos444 wrote: »

And any bright ideas for PvP?!
It's good you found something to play with Pugs runs..

I have some ideas and strategies I developed a short time ago. As much as I hate this rework the greatest tool in the vampire's arsenal is the stage 4 passive... amazingly. In a team based PVP fight you suddenly become a flanker and I did it so many times in the Imperial City last night the EP group had a very hard time dealing with it.

Typically in group fights the frontline fighters charge ahead to meet the enemy head on. These are the hard to kill tanks with the powerful burst attacks you have to look out for, but the people behind them are typically the healers and long range damage dealers. This back line is more focused on your allies and suddenly getting ganked from behind or the sides can be devastating, especially with the Strike from the Shadows passive applying to you after you leave the invisibility sprint. Kill the group's healers and your group will have an easier time winning the battle.

Basically you're playing like a nightblade but using stamina to stay invisible instead of magicka. Also Stupify's 53% snare can be very useful if you can land the dang thing.

No! It's not and stop lying to yourself. Vamp is bad and all thanks to ZoS and some players that don't actively play PvP.

AmoralOne

The handful that are saying the Vamp changes are horrible sound like those old boomers that refuse to accept any kind of change.. lol

Thank you open minded people for giving us console players hope that the vamp changes were not that bad!

Also if you are playing an unkillable, or just really really tanky person and Cyro please stop. Let someone that actually wants to PvP in

Vevvev

Vanos444 wrote: »

No! It's not and stop lying to yourself. Vamp is bad and all thanks to ZoS and some players that don't actively play PvP.

Vamp is bad but I managed to play it well. I had several vampires try to gank me during that run and all of them died in seconds because I'm a MagDK built to hit like a truck. They played very poorly and it cost them dearly.

Blood Frenzy is honestly one of the most worthless abilities in PVP and Vampiric Drain gets you killed as well. Only vampire abilities that work are Eviscerate, Mistform, and Mesmerize on a good day ((Basically initiating a fight since during a fight you won't land it unless you get super lucky)). Blood Scion is honestly not that good either since cheaper burst ultimates can take advantage of the Strike From the Shadows passive much better.

I basically played vampire for the passives, which is what the devs wanted to avoid. I find this quite funny to be honest.

theyancey

My vamp warden has been nerfed into uselessness now too

ArchMikem

Vanos444 wrote: »

I have seen ppl be vamp and yes it can be viable but not in a huge margin as it was before Greymoor patch.

I've seen everyone be a Vampire.

Vanos444

xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »

@Vanos444 make a bunch of new builds....and have fun.

Sorry your PvP tanky got changed up but make a better one.

Thx for the response.
Actually, I tried but Vamp is bad. It's playstyle isn't for me.
Damn, now I have to level another class that's better than my templar and I always enjoyed templar tank heal bot for that build being unkillable, in addition it had good mobility without dying in that mist form.

Sad! Really sad!

robertthebard

Vanos444 wrote: »

xXMeowMeowXx wrote: »

@Vanos444 make a bunch of new builds....and have fun.

Sorry your PvP tanky got changed up but make a better one.

Thx for the response.
Actually, I tried but Vamp is bad. It's playstyle isn't for me.
Damn, now I have to level another class that's better than my templar and I always enjoyed templar tank heal bot for that build being unkillable, in addition it had good mobility without dying in that mist form.

Sad! Really sad!

I'm sure if you watch the build forums enough, someone will post another build you can use.

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