Let me guess: the old king gonna dieeee

Lyserus

The moment I see that old king's daughter I get a feeling this is going to be the case..
I really hope I'm wrong but I have a feeling this is how predictable ESO story is nowadays

"daddy's strict but he loved you!!"
"I don't want to be queen but I have to bear my responsibility!"
[snip]
(seriously when was the last time we see a prince or male succeed a crown in ESO)
"ahh I miss my old daddy even tho he was a [snip]"

[edited to remove bait and profanity]

EDIT: My point being, ZOS seem to forget how to make a "strong independent male" character, to the point that I see that princess then I know how things are gonna go

VaranisArano

Interesting Parenthetical.
King Bazrag
Dorell, if you choose to in Rivenspire
Laurig, if you choose to in Orsinium
Prince Haqmir or Prince Sameer, whichever you choose
Carolus Aquilarios (kills Fortunata to take over Gold Coast)

I feel like there's maybe a few I'm missing, but those are the major ones I recall.

SeaGtGruff

So, if daddy dies and there's only a daughter, you what, want her to be forced to get married to a dude who gets crowned king, so she can be relegated back to being just an annoying female voice in the ear of the "rightful male ruler"? I mean, that might not be what you'd meant, but it sort of comes across that way.

Lyserus

VaranisArano wrote: »

Interesting Parenthetical.
King Bazrag
Dorell, if you choose to in Rivenspire
Laurig, if you choose to in Orsinium
Prince Haqmir or Prince Sameer, whichever you choose
Carolus Aquilarios (kills Fortunata to take over Gold Coast)

I feel like there's maybe a few I'm missing, but those are the major ones I recall.

Let's go from there
Thieves guild - Guildmaster female
Dark brotherhood - The one in charge - one female one male
Morrowind - Vivec is male, or female? but anyway the ash lander tribe succeed by female
Clockwork city - Sotha is male
Summerset - Proxy Queen, Psij succeed by female
Muirkmire - Main character female (the head of the team)
Elsweyr - Kamira, female
Dragonhold - still Kamira

Have nothing against female, but it was so few and far between did we have an actual strong male leader. I guess you can consider Sai as one, but when was the last time you recall ZOS actually made a male character that you go "yeah I will follow this dude"?

And with both of you dodging my original point....rip I guess I am right about the poor king aren't I?

Lyserus

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

So, if daddy dies and there's only a daughter, you what, want her to be forced to get married to a dude who gets crowned king, so she can be relegated back to being just an annoying female voice in the ear of the "rightful male ruler"? I mean, that might not be what you'd meant, but it sort of comes across that way.

No I just wish not all royal family give birth to only female..

The only "royal prince" recall are Prince A-something (Sentinel prince) who get repeatly captured and Prince N-something who turned to a daedra

Erelah

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

So, if daddy dies and there's only a daughter, you what, want her to be forced to get married to a dude who gets crowned king, so she can be relegated back to being just an annoying female voice in the ear of the "rightful male ruler"? I mean, that might not be what you'd meant, but it sort of comes across that way.

It did not come across that way in the slightest to those with critical thinking skills.

This being the real world not a single character was born. The designers of the game chose the gender for every single last NPC in this game. It was a request for more of a balance where there is a male lead. Being a guy myself I like my gender being more than the villain (Except Relis from Banishing Cells I who is still the greatest villain of all time. He is the evil Cadwell (if Cadwell was evil and not sane)).

VaranisArano

Lyserus wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Interesting Parenthetical.
King Bazrag
Dorell, if you choose to in Rivenspire
Laurig, if you choose to in Orsinium
Prince Haqmir or Prince Sameer, whichever you choose
Carolus Aquilarios (kills Fortunata to take over Gold Coast)

I feel like there's maybe a few I'm missing, but those are the major ones I recall.

Let's go from there
Thieves guild - Guildmaster female
Dark brotherhood - The one in charge - one female one male
Morrowind - Vivec is male, or female? but anyway the ash lander tribe succeed by female
Clockwork city - Sotha is male
Summerset - Proxy Queen, Psij succeed by female
Muirkmire - Main character female (the head of the team)
Elsweyr - Kamira, female
Dragonhold - still Kamira

Have nothing against female, but it was so few and far between did we have an actual strong male leader. I guess you can consider Sai as one, but when was the last time you recall ZOS actually made a male character that you go "yeah I will follow this dude"?

And with both of you dodging my original point....rip I guess I am right about the poor king aren't I?

I dunno about your original point. I didn't buy Greymoor and I didn't go find out if I was one of the ones with "free" access either.

I don't particularly care to argue over NPC leadership, as that's ultimately a matter of taste. When it comes to my own tastes, I especially dislike breaking it down by male and female, when I tend to care more about how interesting their characters were. For example, I really liked both Ritemaster Iachesis, Valsirenn, and Leythen, so I thought she made a reasonable successor. On the other hand, the Proxy Queen was so blatantly a low-budget Kate Beckinsale that she could have been male and the only thing that would have changed was some cringe jokes from Razum-dar.

Personally, I found King Bazrag to be a more sensible and pragmatic ruler than most on your list. If I roleplayed an orc, I'd be happy to follow him as king of Orsinium, but since my main is a Dunmer I suspect Bazrag isn't particularly interested.

It was also odd, to say the least, but I found Tharn to be considerably more charismatic than I was expecting in Elsweyr. My Vestige thought he was an overconfident arse, as usual, but dang he was charismatic about it.

VaranisArano

Lyserus wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

So, if daddy dies and there's only a daughter, you what, want her to be forced to get married to a dude who gets crowned king, so she can be relegated back to being just an annoying female voice in the ear of the "rightful male ruler"? I mean, that might not be what you'd meant, but it sort of comes across that way.

No I just wish not all royal family give birth to only female..

The only "royal prince" recall are Prince A-something (Sentinel prince) who get repeatly captured and Prince N-something who turned to a daedra

There's Prince Naemon, Ayrenn's younger brother, and Prince Irnskar, Jorunn's son. Garen Indoril, the Indoril Grandmaster's son, and the Dres Grandmaster's son might count - dunmer great houses aren't quite as hierarchical, but its the same idea of "son of the ruler."
(Now, admittedly, two of the four end up dead, but they were cool while they lasted.)

VaranisArano

Erelah wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

So, if daddy dies and there's only a daughter, you what, want her to be forced to get married to a dude who gets crowned king, so she can be relegated back to being just an annoying female voice in the ear of the "rightful male ruler"? I mean, that might not be what you'd meant, but it sort of comes across that way.

It did not come across that way in the slightest to those with critical thinking skills.

This being the real world not a single character was born. The designers of the game chose the gender for every single last NPC in this game. It was a request for more of a balance where there is a male lead. Being a guy myself I like my gender being more than the villain (Except Relis from Banishing Cells I who is still the greatest villain of all time. He is the evil Cadwell (if Cadwell was evil and not sane)).

On a different level, it balances out Skald-King Jorunn in Eastern Skyrim who's heir is his son, Prince Irnskar. Irnskar has his own character journey in the Eastmarch questline as he, like the Dunmer and Argonians, accepts the need to all work together to solve the crisis.

Its perhaps a cheap way to differentiate Jorunn and Svargrim - "one's got a son, one's got a daughter" - but I can see why even the cheap methods get used when trying to sell the other half (third?) of a base game zone.

redgreensunset

Lyserus wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Interesting Parenthetical.
King Bazrag
Dorell, if you choose to in Rivenspire
Laurig, if you choose to in Orsinium
Prince Haqmir or Prince Sameer, whichever you choose
Carolus Aquilarios (kills Fortunata to take over Gold Coast)

I feel like there's maybe a few I'm missing, but those are the major ones I recall.

Let's go from there
Thieves guild - Guildmaster female
Dark brotherhood - The one in charge - one female one male
Morrowind - Vivec is male, or female? but anyway the ash lander tribe succeed by female
Clockwork city - Sotha is male
Summerset - Proxy Queen, Psij succeed by female
Muirkmire - Main character female (the head of the team)
Elsweyr - Kamira, female
Dragonhold - still Kamira

Have nothing against female, but it was so few and far between did we have an actual strong male leader. I guess you can consider Sai as one, but when was the last time you recall ZOS actually made a male character that you go "yeah I will follow this dude"?

And with both of you dodging my original point....rip I guess I am right about the poor king aren't I?

Dragonhold is incorrect as general Renmus is incharge of Senchal and that doesn't change. Khamira is there to make an alliance with him, not take over. Two out of three Alliances are led by men.


Glenumbra, male lead.
Stormhaven, male lead.
Alik'r, male lead.

Eastern Skyrim, male lead. (Used to be a woman)
Shadowfen, mixed I think. Do they even have a clear leader?
Stonefalls, no clear leader but major npcs skews male.
Deshaan, female lead, I'm counting Almalexia as you count Sotha Sil.

Auridon, female.
Grahtwood, male
Greenshade, female after Wilderking dies
Malabal Tor, male and female
Reapers March, female.

5 male lead, 4 female lead, 1 mixed and 2 unclear. And as I said the alliances are lead by men 2 to 1 and you'll wrong abkut Dragonhold.
So in all. 10 men, 8 women, 2 mixed, the rest unclear or depends on player choice.

You seem to suffer from the common ailment of seeing an (almost) equal number of women to men ration as women dominating. It is normal (unfortunately) that when women exeeds 1/3 of the total number women are seen as taking over, as you claim theu are.

OsManiaC

if you insist on male stuff, you clearly have no idea* how marketing and trends going on right now in the world. No one cares about man/women/equality and other things. This is all PR and benefits, if I had a game company or movie I would make all strong and savior of world character female. Free Reps.

Erelah

redgreensunset wrote: »

Lyserus wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Interesting Parenthetical.
King Bazrag
Dorell, if you choose to in Rivenspire
Laurig, if you choose to in Orsinium
Prince Haqmir or Prince Sameer, whichever you choose
Carolus Aquilarios (kills Fortunata to take over Gold Coast)

I feel like there's maybe a few I'm missing, but those are the major ones I recall.

Let's go from there
Thieves guild - Guildmaster female
Dark brotherhood - The one in charge - one female one male
Morrowind - Vivec is male, or female? but anyway the ash lander tribe succeed by female
Clockwork city - Sotha is male
Summerset - Proxy Queen, Psij succeed by female
Muirkmire - Main character female (the head of the team)
Elsweyr - Kamira, female
Dragonhold - still Kamira

Have nothing against female, but it was so few and far between did we have an actual strong male leader. I guess you can consider Sai as one, but when was the last time you recall ZOS actually made a male character that you go "yeah I will follow this dude"?

And with both of you dodging my original point....rip I guess I am right about the poor king aren't I?

Dragonhold is incorrect as general Renmus is incharge of Senchal and that doesn't change. Khamira is there to make an alliance with him, not take over. Two out of three Alliances are led by men.


Glenumbra, male lead.
Stormhaven, male lead.
Alik'r, male lead.

Eastern Skyrim, male lead. (Used to be a woman)
Shadowfen, mixed I think. Do they even have a clear leader?
Stonefalls, no clear leader but major npcs skews male.
Deshaan, female lead, I'm counting Almalexia as you count Sotha Sil.

Auridon, female.
Grahtwood, male
Greenshade, female after Wilderking dies
Malabal Tor, male and female
Reapers March, female.

5 male lead, 4 female lead, 1 mixed and 2 unclear. And as I said the alliances are lead by men 2 to 1 and you'll wrong abkut Dragonhold.
So in all. 10 men, 8 women, 2 mixed, the rest unclear or depends on player choice.

You seem to suffer from the common ailment of seeing an (almost) equal number of women to men ration as women dominating. It is normal (unfortunately) that when women exeeds 1/3 of the total number women are seen as taking over, as you claim theu are.

So your argument seems to suffer from lets discuss anything but the topic. Everything you posted was form the BASE game game containing 0 DLC or expansions. Even though some of these come with purchase now days. Oserium, Thieves Guild, Dark Brotherhood, Morrwind, Clockwork City, Summerset and Elswyr all have been expansions.

Lintashi

I do liked both Elsweyr and Greymoor main quests, but it does have too many similarities between female rulers. Both witness the death of their parent/s, both are so very young, yet have invincibility, some kind of superpowers, and knowledge way more, than people normally have at their age, fighting through monsters without getting a scratch. And ofc, they always make best choices, best decisions, and never mistakes.

NoodleESO

Lyserus wrote: »

The moment I see that old king's daughter I get a feeling this is going to be the case..
I really hope I'm wrong but I have a feeling this is how predictable ESO story is nowadays

"daddy's strict but he loved you!!"
"I don't want to be queen but I have to bear my responsibility!"
[snip]
(seriously when was the last time we see a prince or male succeed a crown in ESO)
"ahh I miss my old daddy even tho he was a [snip]"

[edited to remove bait and profanity]

EDIT: My point being, ZOS seem to forget how to make a "strong independent male" character, to the point that I see that princess then I know how things are gonna go

I believe Zos does this to fill the players roll as the knight in shining armor archetypical figure, always there to save said princess, since this isn't a ES single player game a player can not rise to be a ruler in an online game. So the Knight is the most common route and I believe is a bit over used.

LOTR does a better job with archetypes like that of a rising king or the wise wizard, but those were whole books and this is an online game so Zos probs needs to use the meta.

Is there an imbalance in ESO? Possibly, the princess role is their favorite card to play at this point clearly, having played most of ESO's story. How would they correct it though without devaluing the significance of assisting a King/Emperor's rise to power?

Once Kings and Emperors start popping up all over the place their value of rulers of kingdoms will drop, so imo it should be done rarely but historic.

Ratzkifal

Lyserus wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Interesting Parenthetical.
King Bazrag
Dorell, if you choose to in Rivenspire
Laurig, if you choose to in Orsinium
Prince Haqmir or Prince Sameer, whichever you choose
Carolus Aquilarios (kills Fortunata to take over Gold Coast)

I feel like there's maybe a few I'm missing, but those are the major ones I recall.

Let's go from there
Thieves guild - Guildmaster female
Dark brotherhood - The one in charge - one female one male
Morrowind - Vivec is male, or female? but anyway the ash lander tribe succeed by female
Clockwork city - Sotha is male
Summerset - Proxy Queen, Psij succeed by female
Muirkmire - Main character female (the head of the team)
Elsweyr - Kamira, female
Dragonhold - still Kamira

Have nothing against female, but it was so few and far between did we have an actual strong male leader. I guess you can consider Sai as one, but when was the last time you recall ZOS actually made a male character that you go "yeah I will follow this dude"?

And with both of you dodging my original point....rip I guess I am right about the poor king aren't I?

I don't necessarily agree with your opinion, but adding to the list (SPOILER WARNING):

Falkreath Hold gets ruled by an incompetent male Jarl until a big minotaur kills him and his daughter takes over.
Wilderking gets replaced by a Wilderqueen
Clockwork City, Sotha Sil is not ruling the place directly, but there is a ruling body called the Congress of Calibration. Chancelor Guscone Dusant is the de facto leader of Clockwork City, but he betrays everyone and then Varuni Arvel (female) assumes his position and becomes the new leader.
The Mane the male mane dies and while you can pick who the next mane will be, both options are female.
Emperor Leovic gets killed by Varen Aquilarios, who then vanishes, leaving Clivia Tharn (female) in charge.

Counter example:
Jorunn's big sister dies, leaving him in charge.
The last time ZOS made a male character you want to follow was Divayth Fyr in Clockwork City, which might be a long time ago, but that only makes these few instances stand out more.

VaranisArano

Erelah wrote: »

redgreensunset wrote: »

Lyserus wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Interesting Parenthetical.
King Bazrag
Dorell, if you choose to in Rivenspire
Laurig, if you choose to in Orsinium
Prince Haqmir or Prince Sameer, whichever you choose
Carolus Aquilarios (kills Fortunata to take over Gold Coast)

I feel like there's maybe a few I'm missing, but those are the major ones I recall.

Let's go from there
Thieves guild - Guildmaster female
Dark brotherhood - The one in charge - one female one male
Morrowind - Vivec is male, or female? but anyway the ash lander tribe succeed by female
Clockwork city - Sotha is male
Summerset - Proxy Queen, Psij succeed by female
Muirkmire - Main character female (the head of the team)
Elsweyr - Kamira, female
Dragonhold - still Kamira

Have nothing against female, but it was so few and far between did we have an actual strong male leader. I guess you can consider Sai as one, but when was the last time you recall ZOS actually made a male character that you go "yeah I will follow this dude"?

And with both of you dodging my original point....rip I guess I am right about the poor king aren't I?

Dragonhold is incorrect as general Renmus is incharge of Senchal and that doesn't change. Khamira is there to make an alliance with him, not take over. Two out of three Alliances are led by men.


Glenumbra, male lead.
Stormhaven, male lead.
Alik'r, male lead.

Eastern Skyrim, male lead. (Used to be a woman)
Shadowfen, mixed I think. Do they even have a clear leader?
Stonefalls, no clear leader but major npcs skews male.
Deshaan, female lead, I'm counting Almalexia as you count Sotha Sil.

Auridon, female.
Grahtwood, male
Greenshade, female after Wilderking dies
Malabal Tor, male and female
Reapers March, female.

5 male lead, 4 female lead, 1 mixed and 2 unclear. And as I said the alliances are lead by men 2 to 1 and you'll wrong abkut Dragonhold.
So in all. 10 men, 8 women, 2 mixed, the rest unclear or depends on player choice.

You seem to suffer from the common ailment of seeing an (almost) equal number of women to men ration as women dominating. It is normal (unfortunately) that when women exeeds 1/3 of the total number women are seen as taking over, as you claim theu are.

So your argument seems to suffer from lets discuss anything but the topic. Everything you posted was form the BASE game game containing 0 DLC or expansions. Even though some of these come with purchase now days. Oserium, Thieves Guild, Dark Brotherhood, Morrwind, Clockwork City, Summerset and Elswyr all have been expansions.

We're getting a little expansive with authority figures here, but still roughly 50/50.

Orsinium: King Kurog, Forge-mother Alga, High Priestess Solgra, Chief Bazrag (and unless you deliberately break Orc tradition with Clan Shatul, every orc chief you meet is male)

Thieves Guild: Zeira, Nicholas, Magnifica Falorah, Chief Inspector Ranbiq

Dark Brotherhood: Speaker Terenus, Matron Astara, Governor Fortunata ap Dugal, Count Carolus Aquilarios

Even in Elsweyr, we've got Abnur Tharn, Gharesh-ri, Zumog Phoom, Euraxia and Khamira.

I'm not feeling the need to continue the list, since it's not going to change the perception that there are too many women in charge of things as we get close to 50%.

VaranisArano

Lintashi wrote: »

I do liked both Elsweyr and Greymoor main quests, but it does have too many similarities between female rulers. Both witness the death of their parent/s, both are so very young, yet have invincibility, some kind of superpowers, and knowledge way more, than people normally have at their age, fighting through monsters without getting a scratch. And ofc, they always make best choices, best decisions, and never mistakes.

It's kind of annoying,

Like, Ayrenn wants to be all that, but when you actually look at what happens, she's crushed her little brother's hopes and dreams, sparked a major rebellion, and is barely holding her alliance together with the help of the Silvenar, Green Lady, and the Mane. Its explicitly stated that when she goes it alone, she dies at the hands of former allies who will overthrow her.

ESO can handle deconstructing those tropes when they want to.

Ratzkifal

VaranisArano wrote: »

Lintashi wrote: »

I do liked both Elsweyr and Greymoor main quests, but it does have too many similarities between female rulers. Both witness the death of their parent/s, both are so very young, yet have invincibility, some kind of superpowers, and knowledge way more, than people normally have at their age, fighting through monsters without getting a scratch. And ofc, they always make best choices, best decisions, and never mistakes.

It's kind of annoying,

Like, Ayrenn wants to be all that, but when you actually look at what happens, she's crushed her little brother's hopes and dreams, sparked a major rebellion, and is barely holding her alliance together with the help of the Silvenar, Green Lady, and the Mane. Its explicitly stated that when she goes it alone, she dies at the hands of former allies who will overthrow her.

ESO can handle deconstructing those tropes when they want to.

Not to mention that she says humans are too childish to rule because they can never reach the wisdom that comes with old age, yet she is 26. Both Emeric and Jorunn have more life experience than Ayrenn and yet she tries to lecture the humans on wisdom that comes with age? That's pretty rich.

Lyserus

Erelah wrote: »

redgreensunset wrote: »

Lyserus wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Interesting Parenthetical.
King Bazrag
Dorell, if you choose to in Rivenspire
Laurig, if you choose to in Orsinium
Prince Haqmir or Prince Sameer, whichever you choose
Carolus Aquilarios (kills Fortunata to take over Gold Coast)

I feel like there's maybe a few I'm missing, but those are the major ones I recall.

Let's go from there
Thieves guild - Guildmaster female
Dark brotherhood - The one in charge - one female one male
Morrowind - Vivec is male, or female? but anyway the ash lander tribe succeed by female
Clockwork city - Sotha is male
Summerset - Proxy Queen, Psij succeed by female
Muirkmire - Main character female (the head of the team)
Elsweyr - Kamira, female
Dragonhold - still Kamira

Have nothing against female, but it was so few and far between did we have an actual strong male leader. I guess you can consider Sai as one, but when was the last time you recall ZOS actually made a male character that you go "yeah I will follow this dude"?

And with both of you dodging my original point....rip I guess I am right about the poor king aren't I?

Dragonhold is incorrect as general Renmus is incharge of Senchal and that doesn't change. Khamira is there to make an alliance with him, not take over. Two out of three Alliances are led by men.


Glenumbra, male lead.
Stormhaven, male lead.
Alik'r, male lead.

Eastern Skyrim, male lead. (Used to be a woman)
Shadowfen, mixed I think. Do they even have a clear leader?
Stonefalls, no clear leader but major npcs skews male.
Deshaan, female lead, I'm counting Almalexia as you count Sotha Sil.

Auridon, female.
Grahtwood, male
Greenshade, female after Wilderking dies
Malabal Tor, male and female
Reapers March, female.

5 male lead, 4 female lead, 1 mixed and 2 unclear. And as I said the alliances are lead by men 2 to 1 and you'll wrong abkut Dragonhold.
So in all. 10 men, 8 women, 2 mixed, the rest unclear or depends on player choice.

You seem to suffer from the common ailment of seeing an (almost) equal number of women to men ration as women dominating. It is normal (unfortunately) that when women exeeds 1/3 of the total number women are seen as taking over, as you claim theu are.

So your argument seems to suffer from lets discuss anything but the topic. Everything you posted was form the BASE game game containing 0 DLC or expansions. Even though some of these come with purchase now days. Oserium, Thieves Guild, Dark Brotherhood, Morrwind, Clockwork City, Summerset and Elswyr all have been expansions.

No, not really suffer from common ailment.

The thing is, I have done ALL the main questlines, and base game was years ago for me.

And since after Orisnium, you do the math.

I'm not seeing women "taking over" because it exeeds 1/3, I am seeing them "taking over" because ALL the new content are all like that

Lintashi

VaranisArano wrote: »

It's kind of annoying,

Like, Ayrenn wants to be all that, but when you actually look at what happens, she's crushed her little brother's hopes and dreams, sparked a major rebellion, and is barely holding her alliance together with the help of the Silvenar, Green Lady, and the Mane. Its explicitly stated that when she goes it alone, she dies at the hands of former allies who will overthrow her.

ESO can handle deconstructing those tropes when they want to.

Atleast Ayrenn uses Eyes of the queen and Auridon marines, and travels with bodyguards and Urcelmo. Khamira and Svana go into dangerous places alone, in light clothes, with insufficient amount of weapons and knowledge. Especially Svana.

VaranisArano

Ratzkifal wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Lintashi wrote: »

I do liked both Elsweyr and Greymoor main quests, but it does have too many similarities between female rulers. Both witness the death of their parent/s, both are so very young, yet have invincibility, some kind of superpowers, and knowledge way more, than people normally have at their age, fighting through monsters without getting a scratch. And ofc, they always make best choices, best decisions, and never mistakes.

It's kind of annoying,

Like, Ayrenn wants to be all that, but when you actually look at what happens, she's crushed her little brother's hopes and dreams, sparked a major rebellion, and is barely holding her alliance together with the help of the Silvenar, Green Lady, and the Mane. Its explicitly stated that when she goes it alone, she dies at the hands of former allies who will overthrow her.

ESO can handle deconstructing those tropes when they want to.

Not to mention that she says humans are too childish to rule because they can never reach the wisdom that comes with old age, yet she is 26. Both Emeric and Jorunn have more life experience than Ayrenn and yet she tries to lecture the humans on wisdom that comes with age? That's pretty rich.

Its hilarious. She'd rather give the Ruby Throne to an Altmer infant than a human?

You aren't fooling anyone, Ayrenn.

Vevvev

I've been noticing this trend a bit to. I mean I don't mind it all that much but it does help to not fall into the same pattern over and over again when telling stories. They become bland and predictable which can begin to ruin the fun of having to play through them.

ZOS_ConnorG

Greetings all,

This is a simple reminder to hide in game story spoilers. Everyone completely quests at their own pace and as of now Greymoor has not released for console players. So hiding spoilers will help prevent someone from having big reveals shown to them before they have gotten to that point in the story and is considered a courtesy to your fellow players.

If you don't already know you can hide things as a spoiler by typing "spoiler" entering the desired text to be hidden and then closing it with "/spoiler" replacing the quotation marks with brackets [ ] The end result should look like the following.

This is a spoiler

ArchMikem

What's wrong with a good ol' Matriarchy. You actually made me realize the Elsweyr Confederacy at this point in time is a true Matriarchy. The Spiritual Leader, the Mane is Female. The defacto Political leader atm, Queen Khamira is Female, and as per Khajiiti culture, each tribe is led by a Clan Mother. Neat.

luen79rwb17_ESO

Are you implying a political agenda in regards to ESO story telling?

Bruccius

Not saying that I haven't noticed the ''lack'' of male leaders, if you want to call it that, but why do you care? Isn't it more important to have a ruler based on their competence instead of their gender? Not saying men are incompetent, or that women are more competent than men are, just saying that there being female rulers means very little.

SeaGtGruff

Erelah wrote: »

It did not come across that way in the slightest to those with critical thinking skills.

So you know the minds of "those with critical thinking skills" everywhere, and they've authorized you to speak on their behalf about whether something did or "did not come across that way in the slightest"?

And I suppose that anyone who felt that it did "come across that way" to a degree must not have "critical thinking skills"?