Swarm mother OP (edit, and Domihaus)

zvavi

I know you guys like discussing how bugged the game is, but time to bring to light the change they did to swarm mother.

Swarm Mother: Changed the 1 piece bonus of this set to 1096 Max Magicka and Max Stamina, instead of 129 Stamina Recovery

So, if you are a tank/pvper that needs both resource pools, and need something to pair with your mythic item, it is stonekeeper no more (stonekeeper had 1.5 stat density) but swarm mother and Domihaus (2 stat density on 1 piece) are very stat dense.

And no, pieces of twice crit bonus doesn't count as X2 stat density, because optimized builds don't use both crit values.

Edited to add Domihaus.

catnamedwill

I guess, you never heard of domihaus.

zvavi

catnamedwill wrote: »

I guess, you never heard of domihaus.

Rip, I really haven't xd.

MartiniDaniels

Yep, I lol'd at this "stat sheet balancing" when they gutted double bonuses on armor heads, and immediately introduced Swarm Mother as an obvious choice.
I'm now bothered how to stack together mythic jewelry, balrogh and 2 5-piece bonuses in an optimal way and remain in medium armor...
For Torc of tonal constancy there are multiple choices, but for Malacath Band I absolutely out of ideas.

Kadoin

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Yep, I lol'd at this "stat sheet balancing" when they gutted double bonuses on armor heads, and immediately introduced Swarm Mother as an obvious choice.
I'm now bothered how to stack together mythic jewelry, balrogh and 2 5-piece bonuses in an optimal way and remain in medium armor...
For Torc of tonal constancy there are multiple choices, but for Malacath Band I absolutely out of ideas.

Isn't that part of the fun of this game?

For me I am spinning in a chair endlessly trying to find a way to regain my hybrid's power that was cut in the crossfire of "balancing". I literally have every set in the game being considered, well not all trial sets, but you know what I mean!

This time it is not easy...

zvavi

Kadoin wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Yep, I lol'd at this "stat sheet balancing" when they gutted double bonuses on armor heads, and immediately introduced Swarm Mother as an obvious choice.
I'm now bothered how to stack together mythic jewelry, balrogh and 2 5-piece bonuses in an optimal way and remain in medium armor...
For Torc of tonal constancy there are multiple choices, but for Malacath Band I absolutely out of ideas.

Isn't that part of the fun of this game?

For me I am spinning in a chair endlessly trying to find a way to regain my hybrid's power that was cut in the crossfire of "balancing". I literally have every set in the game being considered, well not all trial sets, but you know what I mean!

This time it is not easy...

Very easy, play no cp (if PvP) if not PvP... CP has a huge impact on it...

zvavi

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Yep, I lol'd at this "stat sheet balancing" when they gutted double bonuses on armor heads, and immediately introduced Swarm Mother as an obvious choice.
I'm now bothered how to stack together mythic jewelry, balrogh and 2 5-piece bonuses in an optimal way and remain in medium armor...
For Torc of tonal constancy there are multiple choices, but for Malacath Band I absolutely out of ideas.

Just don't pair Malacath band and mechanical acuity, the servers will crush.

Septimus_Magna

The idea is that while you can both use stamina and magicka your damage only scales off one resources. So balancing strictly for damage is not affected by having additional stamina (for magicka builds) or magicka (for stamina builds). For magicka builds increasing max magicka is a decent way to improve damage but for stamina builds increasing max stamina is probably the worst way to increase damage.

For tanks Swarm Mother is a little better now but its still pretty unreliable due to the 1 second cooldown and minimal range of 8 meters.

For pvp its a different story because magicka builds need stamina to break-free and stamina builds need magicka for utility. You can run 1x Swarm and 1x Domihaus but that means you wont have a monster set that can proc an effect.

Zer0_CooL

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Yep, I lol'd at this "stat sheet balancing" when they gutted double bonuses on armor heads, and immediately introduced Swarm Mother as an obvious choice.
I'm now bothered how to stack together mythic jewelry, balrogh and 2 5-piece bonuses in an optimal way and remain in medium armor...
For Torc of tonal constancy there are multiple choices, but for Malacath Band I absolutely out of ideas.

You basicaly just need two proc sets with the wepons. Then you have space for 2 mythic items and full monsterset.

Example for a Mag DK

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=239890

MartiniDaniels

Kadoin wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Yep, I lol'd at this "stat sheet balancing" when they gutted double bonuses on armor heads, and immediately introduced Swarm Mother as an obvious choice.
I'm now bothered how to stack together mythic jewelry, balrogh and 2 5-piece bonuses in an optimal way and remain in medium armor...
For Torc of tonal constancy there are multiple choices, but for Malacath Band I absolutely out of ideas.

Isn't that part of the fun of this game?

For me I am spinning in a chair endlessly trying to find a way to regain my hybrid's power that was cut in the crossfire of "balancing". I literally have every set in the game being considered, well not all trial sets, but you know what I mean!

This time it is not easy...

Tbh, this is MOST fun part of the game for me to create your own build and tweak it through try and error, until it will be balanced and powerful. Too bad that ZOS somehow manages to figure out good non-meta builds and nerf them in some way..

MartiniDaniels

Zer0_CooL wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Yep, I lol'd at this "stat sheet balancing" when they gutted double bonuses on armor heads, and immediately introduced Swarm Mother as an obvious choice.
I'm now bothered how to stack together mythic jewelry, balrogh and 2 5-piece bonuses in an optimal way and remain in medium armor...
For Torc of tonal constancy there are multiple choices, but for Malacath Band I absolutely out of ideas.

You basicaly just need two proc sets with the wepons. Then you have space for 2 mythic items and full monsterset.

Example for a Mag DK

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=239890

Yes, for magicka it is easier because there are a lot of spell damage "proc sets" in light armor. For stamina all damage proc sets (which carry from back bar to main bar) are heavy... also if we speak about malacath, we need to get rid of all crit bonuses.

Zer0_CooL

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

... also if we speak about malacath, we need to get rid of all crit bonuses.

This sounds rather like a challange..

Edit:
essence thief (bow) BB, unchained aggresor FB, 2x Balorgh, Band of malacat and wild hunt? hit and run build.

MartiniDaniels

Zer0_CooL wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

... also if we speak about malacath, we need to get rid of all crit bonuses.

This sounds rather like a challange..

Edit:
essence thief (bow) BB, unchained aggresor FB, 2x Balorgh, Band of malacat and wild hunt? hit and run build.

Yes, Essence thief is a good idea!
Unfortunately we can't use 2 mythic items, so for the 1 piece there will be some sub-optimal piece.

Zer0_CooL

Oh didn't know, that changes a lot...

MartiniDaniels

Zer0_CooL wrote: »

Oh didn't know, that changes a lot...

Yes, Wild Hunt is overrated imo. If we compare Steed + Torc vs WH+Serpent.... it is obvious that for PVP only stacking Steed+Wild Hunt will make sense. But if you want to build ridiculously fast toon (up to 90% non-sprint speed with stamsorc), stamsorc has great synergy with Torc. So imo WH can be good for some glass cannon stamplar with mist... (I usually have no idea what to do with magicka on stamplar, so Torc won't be so good and Malacath no good because stamplar is crit class).

MrBrownstone

You can't use more than one mythic item

Danksta

zvavi wrote: »

catnamedwill wrote: »

I guess, you never heard of domihaus.

Rip, I really haven't xd.

Must not be that OP then.

zvavi

Danksta wrote: »

zvavi wrote: »

catnamedwill wrote: »

I guess, you never heard of domihaus.

Rip, I really haven't xd.

Must not be that OP then.

Well, the developers have magical "stat sheet" they balance things by, it is just silly that so many tank sets got tarnished, while swarm mother and Domihaus are left to roam free with double useful stat density.

Emma_Overload

Wait...do any of you guys actually HAVE any of the Mythic items?

zvavi

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Wait...do any of you guys actually HAVE any of the Mythic items?

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Wait...do any of you guys actually HAVE any of the Mythic items?

I refuse to buy greymoor. So no.

MartiniDaniels

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Wait...do any of you guys actually HAVE any of the Mythic items?

We are just throwing in ideas, waiting for sale on Greymoor or performance fixes. Tbh, 3 factors - mythics, some new sets and vampire - are so wildly imbalanced, that there will be definitely big changes to all those in U27. So no point to waste time/transmute/gold tempers on those builds... maybe in U27, we'll get more adequate balance, Skyrim fans will go back to Skyrim, extended capacity will remain and we all we'll have a great time with new items before that, I don't want to spend a single cent on ESO.

YandereGirlfriend

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Kadoin wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Yep, I lol'd at this "stat sheet balancing" when they gutted double bonuses on armor heads, and immediately introduced Swarm Mother as an obvious choice.
I'm now bothered how to stack together mythic jewelry, balrogh and 2 5-piece bonuses in an optimal way and remain in medium armor...
For Torc of tonal constancy there are multiple choices, but for Malacath Band I absolutely out of ideas.

Isn't that part of the fun of this game?

For me I am spinning in a chair endlessly trying to find a way to regain my hybrid's power that was cut in the crossfire of "balancing". I literally have every set in the game being considered, well not all trial sets, but you know what I mean!

This time it is not easy...

Tbh, this is MOST fun part of the game for me to create your own build and tweak it through try and error, until it will be balanced and powerful. Too bad that ZOS somehow manages to figure out good non-meta builds and nerf them in some way..

Wholehearted agreement with this.

Theorycrafting and implementing new builds is for me (and I suspect most PvP'ers) the true endgame of ESO (well, that and fashion, of course).

It is quite a shame indeed that ZOS' idea of "balancing" seems dedicated to enforcing existing metas and punishing creativity whenever it gets the opportunity to do so.

JinMori

Why exactly is domi op? The weapon and spell damage is nice, but without the damage from the ring pretty much any other dps monster set is better for dps.

Just forget the damage from the ring, keep the set the same, same everything, aside from the fact that it provides more weapon and spell damage, and the ring does no damage itself.

MartiniDaniels

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Kadoin wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Yep, I lol'd at this "stat sheet balancing" when they gutted double bonuses on armor heads, and immediately introduced Swarm Mother as an obvious choice.
I'm now bothered how to stack together mythic jewelry, balrogh and 2 5-piece bonuses in an optimal way and remain in medium armor...
For Torc of tonal constancy there are multiple choices, but for Malacath Band I absolutely out of ideas.

Isn't that part of the fun of this game?

For me I am spinning in a chair endlessly trying to find a way to regain my hybrid's power that was cut in the crossfire of "balancing". I literally have every set in the game being considered, well not all trial sets, but you know what I mean!

This time it is not easy...

Tbh, this is MOST fun part of the game for me to create your own build and tweak it through try and error, until it will be balanced and powerful. Too bad that ZOS somehow manages to figure out good non-meta builds and nerf them in some way..

Wholehearted agreement with this.

Theorycrafting and implementing new builds is for me (and I suspect most PvP'ers) the true endgame of ESO (well, that and fashion, of course).

It is quite a shame indeed that ZOS' idea of "balancing" seems dedicated to enforcing existing metas and punishing creativity whenever it gets the opportunity to do so.

I absolutely have no idea how they manage to figure out this builds. Couple good builds of mine were absolutely non-meta, I never saw anybody using anything similar... and then I open PTS patch notes just after I finally tweaked build... and WTF, direct nerfs ><