So,Vampire is not a must-have skill line for DDs anymore,right?

FatFred

I am not sure about the others, for me the only reason of being a vampire is the resource sustain passive. ya don't know how much I hate vamp-looking, thanks ZOS, for releasing me from the curse.

ShadowHvo

Yeah, while it is no longer a must - it is now completely gutted, too.

DjMuscleboy02

It never was, now it definitely is for any melee DD.

Lintashi

It was not must-have for dds, but now it definately must-not-have for healers and tanks. Currently, most dd builds are better without vampire too.

Septimus_Magna

If you dont plan on using the new vamp skills you have no reason to be a vamp.
I did notice the 3% cost increase on my magsorc, normally I can sustain without too much trouble.

Hexi

It was never must-have for anything, nor is it now. ESO is not, and never was, designed around meta builds. Having the right gear with proper traits and enchants, and using correct active skills was, and is, 1000% more important than any passives. Even your race does not matter.

Glurin

I agree that it was never a must have, but it was always a take by default. That's mainly what they were aiming to fix.

MasterSpatula

It should have had more drawbacks all along.

But not this severe.

Ariont

Spent a few hours with one of my DPS vampires and while blowing around in a puff of smoke was cool, there didn't' seem to be any reason to be a vampire anymore after losing the passive for magic reg. My character is just as good without being a vamp than she was with. And as far as my magic reg, potions make up the little difference it mattered anyway.

Anyway, I cured all but one of my vampire characters and will test it on occasion and if it seems to make sense I'll get my others back in the fold

jdamuso

When I hit 10k spell damage earlier, I thought to myself.

Wow this would be great for damage dealing.

Vamp what, Vamp who?

robertthebard

It never was.

TheKingofSass

Vamp can be sorta good if you decide to build around it and are able to not to kill yourself with blood for blood. It's pretty neat on magplar, just yeet ritual on the floor and you can basically spam and sustain with BfB. So I kept vamp on my magplar for now. I did cured my main NB, cause I don't enjoy the melee style with it, but that's just me.

furiouslog

FatFred wrote: »

I am not sure about the others, for me the only reason of being a vampire is the resource sustain passive. ya don't know how much I hate vamp-looking, thanks ZOS, for releasing me from the curse.

Every single one of Alcast's mag DPS builds uses the Vampire Blood for Blood skill as the spammable. It's now apparently as important as the Maelstrom staff. However, I refuse to go vampire, because I don't want to be forced to go melee and look like an ugly demon beast.

KexinAD

The death of the meta vamp is the best change in Greymoore. It's about time. Now people who actually want to be a vampire can be a vampire without any concerns in regards to min-max.

Narvuntien

Seems like its PVP focused now..

Hexi

Glurin wrote: »

I agree that it was never a must have, but it was always a take by default. That's mainly what they were aiming to fix.

Yes, there was no mechanical reason not to have it.

furiouslog wrote: »

FatFred wrote: »

I am not sure about the others, for me the only reason of being a vampire is the resource sustain passive. ya don't know how much I hate vamp-looking, thanks ZOS, for releasing me from the curse.

Every single one of Alcast's mag DPS builds uses the Vampire Blood for Blood skill as the spammable. It's now apparently as important as the Maelstrom staff. However, I refuse to go vampire, because I don't want to be forced to go melee and look like an ugly demon beast.

It's marginally stronger than most alternatives, but you have to be in melee which is a huge dps drop the moment you have to run around. But, again, just because it's best against a dummy doesn't mean you must have it.

criscal

well, just happy it is of no clear advantage for tanks and healers now. Mag-Blade and Mag-DK is a different story though, as you can have health-based spammable attacks alleviating sustain issues.

Lord-Otto

KexinAD wrote: »

The death of the meta vamp is the best change in Greymoore. It's about time. Now people who actually want to be a vampire can be a vampire without any concerns in regards to min-max.

Regurgitating what ZOS tell you. It's wrong. Now, if you want to be vampire because you just like being a vampire, you're out of luck. You must also use the vampire "class". And a proper Blood for Blood rotation seems very much meta.

Mortiis13

As magcro In solo pve including normal dungeons)
im using blood mist
(skeletal mage/wall of element/boneyard and then bloodmist)
Bitchslap and also the ultimate backbar to get undo on Frontbar (8% dmg mitigation) since I'm only for 3 seconds on backbar while I'm 10 sec on Frontbar in the rotation.
Rank 4 vamp to avoid unnecessary trash fights (saves so much time)

In pvp im using mesmerized and mistform at rank 1 atm. Loosing 10% mag rec.and get cost increase was noticeable. So I run bi Stat food now and Tristat runes on big ones (Goin Tristat on jewelry also if available for me).
Before I was running Tristat drink and full arcane runes.
In the end im loosing ~1.5 k life and Stam to hold my magicka/magicka recovery at the same level.
It's definitely a nerf for ranged focus builds. With bllod for blood the sustain would be better but melee and health cost is the 1k more dmg and sustain not worth for me in pvp.

I can think for magblade and magplar it could also be useful to build in vamp abilitys. With sorc and warden I don't see any reason to be vampire. Don't play dk.

A stam nb gank build could be nice with rank 4 vamp and titan born set to be always under 50%, 300 more wpn dmg and stamina based invis.. ;-P

TwiceBornStar

FatFred wrote: »

I am not sure about the others, for me the only reason of being a vampire is the resource sustain passive. ya don't know how much I hate vamp-looking, thanks ZOS, for releasing me from the curse.

You can play a Redguard to get a 8% cost reduction to Weapon Skills.
You can make him/her a Templar to receive another 5% cost reduction to all abilities.
You can wear infused Jewelry with recovery or cost reduction enchantments.
You can eat Jewels of Misrule.
You can wear Willow''s Path.
You can pick either the Serpent or the Atronach mundus boon. (or both with the Twice-Born Star set!)
You can choose a Nightblade because of the Refreshing Shadows passive.
You can choose a Sorcerer because of the Unholy Knowledge or Daedric Protection passives.
Etc, etc!

That's enough recovery for one day!