Mythic item pieces being located in DLC zones

Coopersnow

I think its wrong putting mythic item parts in DLC zones. You cant get them if you dont have eso plus or that specific DLC which is kinda not good. I bought greymoor why would i have to buy the rest of the dlcs that i dont want to to get something that was promoted with greymoor. Thats not right.

AlnilamE

Why not?

Many people do own DLCs or have ESO+ and they would like those zones to not be forgotten.

Are you able to ignore the items for the zones you don't own?

Jayne_Doe

Exactly, why should they ignore DLCs that many do own? Just because you don't have them, doesn't mean that ZOS should then just ignore them. You don't need every item anyway, do you? And, I think that the mount pieces are only in the base zones and Greymoor, so you can still get that.

It's your choice to only buy and play certain DLC. I think it's great that ZOS is giving us reasons to return to older DLCs in addition to the old base-game zones.

You've already chosen to not have access to content that is solely available within the DLCs you don't own. This is the nature of an MMO. You can choose not to purchase certain DLC, but ZOS is under no obligation to not add future content that requires access to those zones. This is a game-wide system, that does and should include the entire game. Future antiquities will also be added in future content.

Starlock

Coopersnow wrote: »

I think its wrong putting mythic item parts in DLC zones. You cant get them if you dont have eso plus or that specific DLC which is kinda not good. I bought greymoor why would i have to buy the rest of the dlcs that i dont want to to get something that was promoted with greymoor. Thats not right.

If true, no, it isn't.

Antiquities was one of the major selling points of this expansion. I don't have a problem with antiquities being available in DLC zones. However, various parts/leads (or however it works) for DLC zones should be contained to those DLC zones. No antiquity that has parts/leads from a base game zone or from Greymoor should also require a DLC zone, period.

But they've done this before. What was it - last Halloween event they pulled something just like this? They took a non-DLC event and stuffed new recipes in it that require DLC materials to make? That's not right either.

Ascarl

When there is a free ES0 plus trial, can anyone enter the DLC zones? (I have ESO for too long to remember without).

CMDR_Un1k0rn

Ascarl wrote: »

When there is a free ES0 plus trial, can anyone enter the DLC zones? (I have ESO for too long to remember without).

Yes they can.

Coopersnow

AlnilamE wrote: »

Why not?

Many people do own DLCs or have ESO+ and they would like those zones to not be forgotten.

Are you able to ignore the items for the zones you don't own?

Cause mythic items where the main advertisment and selling point of greymoor. 3 of 6 mythic items have parts in DLC zones so you cant get them without the DLC zone. How is that okay? If i bought greymoor for mythic items and now i cant get the items thats *** especially since mythic items are the main point of greymoor expansion. And i have the zones its not about me not being able to access it its just not right.
Its like buying a car advertised in working condition then later to find out that, oh you have to buy the engine separate for it to be considered working.

Coopersnow

Wrothgar – Malacath’s Brutal Might Loop
Murkmire – Charm of the Shapeless
Artaeum – Coral Plating

3 pieces of 3 different mythic items

daemonios

At this point, if you still expect ZOS to design their content in good faith and not as a weakly-disguised driver of additional sales, you're only fooling yourself. I still enjoy the game, but have zero sympathy left towards ZOS.

Kiralyn2000

Coopersnow wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

Why not?

Many people do own DLCs or have ESO+ and they would like those zones to not be forgotten.

Are you able to ignore the items for the zones you don't own?

Cause mythic items where the main advertisment and selling point of greymoor.

I thought "Skyrim" was the main advertisement/selling point of Greymoor?

Rake

must...squeeze..last..coin..from..customers...

BRCOURTN

robertthebard wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

At this point, if you still expect ZOS to design their content in good faith and not as a weakly-disguised driver of additional sales, you're only fooling yourself. I still enjoy the game, but have zero sympathy left towards ZOS.

The car analogy sucks. It's like buying a car w/out air conditioning and then complaining it doesn't have air conditioning...

This whole community is so obsessed with analogies for solving their arguments. The truth is that no analogies should be considered all encompassing, and they shouldn't be taken as proof of an argument in most cases.

Coopersnow

Didnt call you scumy called ZOS scummy and i i have listed all the pieces located in DLC zones lol. All other pieces are in vanilla zones except for one in western skyrim and one in summerset and i didnt list summerset cause its the same expansion(now DLC) as Artaeum

AlnilamE

Coopersnow wrote: »

AlnilamE wrote: »

Why not?

Many people do own DLCs or have ESO+ and they would like those zones to not be forgotten.

Are you able to ignore the items for the zones you don't own?

Cause mythic items where the main advertisment and selling point of greymoor. 3 of 6 mythic items have parts in DLC zones so you cant get them without the DLC zone. How is that okay? If i bought greymoor for mythic items and now i cant get the items thats *** especially since mythic items are the main point of greymoor expansion. And i have the zones its not about me not being able to access it its just not right.
Its like buying a car advertised in working condition then later to find out that, oh you have to buy the engine separate for it to be considered working.

Was it? They were barely on my radar and I'm just going to start looking into them now.

I'm here for the new zone and story.

Lotus781

Most the mythic items look Muh anyways don't see what all the holabolu is over, the fast ring thingy looks like the best one
but not really worth the hassel of hours upon hours looking for it unless you like that sort of thing. It's not gonna make or break your build.

Katheriah

Coopersnow wrote: »

Its like buying a car advertised in working condition then later to find out that, oh you have to buy the engine separate for it to be considered working.

You misspelled airconditioning.

robertthebard

Coopersnow wrote: »

Didnt call you scumy called ZOS scummy and i i have listed all the pieces located in DLC zones lol. All other pieces are in vanilla zones except for one in western skyrim and one in summerset and i didnt list summerset cause its the same expansion(now DLC) as Artaeum

Yep, so there's pieces scattered all over the realms. It's not like they hid all the other pieces you're going to want in zones you don't own because you don't own them. This isn't a ZoS issue, this is a player issue.

Starlock

daemonios wrote: »

At this point, if you still expect ZOS to design their content in good faith and not as a weakly-disguised driver of additional sales, you're only fooling yourself. I still enjoy the game, but have zero sympathy left towards ZOS.

I didn't expect them to do it for a Chapter expansion, no. It represents a new low. I'm totally fine paying for new content - DLC is the post-launch monetization model I strongly prefer, actually. But when the payment I make for said content involves having to purchase additional DLCs to actually use the content I thought I was buying with that money?

No. That is no way, shape, or form okay. And probably also illegal.

Imagine being a new player who started ESO for Greymoor. And then finding out "oh hey, to finish this thing you purchased, please make another purchase!"

No.

Katahdin

I have no problem with them putting items from Greymoor in other DLC zones.
It gives a reason to go back to those zones and it further incorporates those zones into the game.
Those zones are part of the game as whole and should be used.
To expect them to just put items in the base game and Greymoor zones is absurd.

Starlock

Katahdin wrote: »

I have no problem with them putting items from Greymoor in other DLC zones.
It gives a reason to go back to those zones and it further incorporates those zones into the game.
Those zones are part of the game as whole and should be used.
To expect them to just put items in the base game and Greymoor zones is absurd.

That's not the issue.

The issue is that the tasks you need to do in order to complete certain antiquities requires customers who only have Greymoor and the base game to make additional purchases to finish that antiquity.

This is the sort of content gating we never, ever should be seeing. Never, ever is it acceptable to sell the customer content - like a chapter expansion - and then include content within it that is impossible to complete without an additional purchase. No. It's fine that they include antiquities in DLC areas, but the process of finding antiquities in DLC areas should never, ever be spread across multiple DLC areas that customers have to pay separately for.

In case it isn't abundantly clear why this is a problem, let's imagine a parallel scenario. Remember Summerset, and jewelry crafting? Many customers purchased Summerset in part for jewelry crafting. Now imagine that one or more of the trait stones - let's say dawn prism - could not be obtained by players who had bought the Summerset expansion because it was found exclusively in the Gold Coast, a region that requires an additional DLC purchase to access. See the issue now?

JD2013

Personally I think it's great they are finally using DLC zones.

I wish they'd create some new holiday quests etc in the DLC zones.

Reverb

The entire system is already locked behind a paywall. In for a penny, in for a pound.

heaven13

They didn't include DLC zones for psijic, not sure why they felt the need for antiquities, particularly the mythic items. As for the example regarding jewelry, dust is found everywhere there are blacksmithing nodes (so nothing exclusive to DLC zones) and all the trait mats come from either base game activities/overland or Summerset.

jaws343

Also, there were weeks of PTS where this information was known. Any reasonable person would have seen that this would be the case and, idk, cancelled their pre-order or not buy the expansion if they didn't like it.

And the new player argument is nonsense. A brand new player buying this game for the first time with Greymoor would still need to buy all of the DLC to experience all the game has to offer. That is literally how DLC works.

Malthorne

ZOS is double dipping for sure

Coopersnow

robertthebard wrote: »

Starlock wrote: »

robertthebard wrote: »

Since Antiquities isn't solely tied to Greymoor, the system is active in the entire game, nope. Key phrase: active in the entire game. If you're not going to rail against them being in the vanilla zones, then it's more about what you don't want to do, than what they did.

. . .

I'm not sure how to explain this in another way to help people like you understand what the issue is and why it's a problem, but if this is the comparison you're making, you are definitely not understanding the issue.

The issue is that you don't want to buy the other DLC or pay for ESO + to get it for free. They did not hide this system exclusively in DLC zones, it's scattered all over the game. "But I bought Greymoor" is great, and it did come with that expansion. However, I did not buy it, and yet, I'm getting leads to stuff from it w/out ever setting foot there. I have not been in any content that I don't own, and yet, I'm building up a supply of Leads. This tells me that this system, while released with Greymoor, isn't tied directly to it. If it were, that would be the only place to get these items. A good example would be the book of items you have to find for Sommerset. All of those items are on the island that came with the content. The jewelry crafting, however, can be done anywhere. In fact, this is a perfect parallel, since I can't do anything with these leads w/out having the tools and skill line, I think, from Greymoor.

The system is tied directly to greymoor. What are you even talking about. You HAVE to have greymoor to get the antiquitie system. Its not a game wide system.

Starlock

Coopersnow wrote: »

The system is tied directly to greymoor. What are you even talking about. You HAVE to have greymoor to get the antiquitie system. Its not a game wide system.

It probably should have been. Free, base game upgrade.

I could have more easily excused this alleged "additional purchases necessary beyond Greymoor to actually finish your mythic items" nonsense if that was the case, although that would be its own particular type of scummery.

Stx

That's why I subscribe. I would never pay for each individual DLC.

Zenimax is a cash grabbing company. You either pay a sub fee. Or pay for every single little DLC. To me. the choice is obvious.

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robertthebard

Coopersnow wrote: »

robertthebard wrote: »

Starlock wrote: »

robertthebard wrote: »

Since Antiquities isn't solely tied to Greymoor, the system is active in the entire game, nope. Key phrase: active in the entire game. If you're not going to rail against them being in the vanilla zones, then it's more about what you don't want to do, than what they did.

. . .

I'm not sure how to explain this in another way to help people like you understand what the issue is and why it's a problem, but if this is the comparison you're making, you are definitely not understanding the issue.

The issue is that you don't want to buy the other DLC or pay for ESO + to get it for free. They did not hide this system exclusively in DLC zones, it's scattered all over the game. "But I bought Greymoor" is great, and it did come with that expansion. However, I did not buy it, and yet, I'm getting leads to stuff from it w/out ever setting foot there. I have not been in any content that I don't own, and yet, I'm building up a supply of Leads. This tells me that this system, while released with Greymoor, isn't tied directly to it. If it were, that would be the only place to get these items. A good example would be the book of items you have to find for Sommerset. All of those items are on the island that came with the content. The jewelry crafting, however, can be done anywhere. In fact, this is a perfect parallel, since I can't do anything with these leads w/out having the tools and skill line, I think, from Greymoor.

The system is tied directly to greymoor. What are you even talking about. You HAVE to have greymoor to get the antiquitie system. Its not a game wide system.

I actually already addressed this: It's just like jewelry crafting, in that you have to have that expansion to be able to craft, but you are not limited to the island to do it, materials for it, just like Antiquities, can be farmed all over the base game and DLCs. But since it's tied so tightly to Greymoor, how are those of us that don't own it getting leads in areas of the game that we do have access to? Is it a bug? Is it WAI? What about Psijic portals? They aren't exclusive to the island either, nor are some of the side activities such as the staff I'm working to reassemble right now. This very definitely is a direct result of the expansion, you can't pick up the quest w/out it, but it's not limited to the quest zones that released with the expansion.

technohic

Lol All major new systems designed to make money. Surprised there's not crown store tie ins.