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A Separate Group Queue for BGs Would Not Work
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I highly doubt that there would consistently be 12 people (3 groups of 4) queuing in the group queue to enable reasonable wait times. And even if there are 3 full groups queuing regularly, it would get boring fighting the same group game after game. Even then, one or two of those groups would likely be significantly worse than the other(s). I would expect the less powerful group(s) to stop queuing due to being beaten over and over.
Unless I'm wildly underestimating the number of people who want to just do 4 man Premade v 4 man Premade v 4 man Premade, a truly functional group-only queue seems like wishful thinking.
ZOS could create a whole new incentive structure to draw more players to the Group Queue in the hopes of getting it to function. Or they could allow duos and trios in the group queue and draw from the solo queue to fill in the gaps in some complicated fashion. But in reality, we can't hope for any change that requires significant time and work from ZOS.
Simply allowing solos and duos, instead of solos only, seems like the easiest way to appease the folks who are rightfully upset that they can't BG with friends. It can't be that hard to increase the permissible group size by one. ZOS wouldn't even have to balance the duo by modifying how matchmaking factors in the duo's MMR. The team with a duo may have an advantage, but so what? It won't be insurmountable.
Adding duos to the solo queue is an easy change that lets folks play with a friend, while still preventing unstoppable premades from hindering other players' enjoyment. Adding a group-only queue isn't a feasible solution. Change my mind.
Unless I'm wildly underestimating the number of people who want to just do 4 man Premade v 4 man Premade v 4 man Premade, a truly functional group-only queue seems like wishful thinking.
ZOS could create a whole new incentive structure to draw more players to the Group Queue in the hopes of getting it to function. Or they could allow duos and trios in the group queue and draw from the solo queue to fill in the gaps in some complicated fashion. But in reality, we can't hope for any change that requires significant time and work from ZOS.
Simply allowing solos and duos, instead of solos only, seems like the easiest way to appease the folks who are rightfully upset that they can't BG with friends. It can't be that hard to increase the permissible group size by one. ZOS wouldn't even have to balance the duo by modifying how matchmaking factors in the duo's MMR. The team with a duo may have an advantage, but so what? It won't be insurmountable.
Adding duos to the solo queue is an easy change that lets folks play with a friend, while still preventing unstoppable premades from hindering other players' enjoyment. Adding a group-only queue isn't a feasible solution. Change my mind.
“There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.”
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shrekt4303✭✭I feel likenif zos was gonna change something about bg it would have happened already0 -
PeterUnlustig✭✭✭✭PVErs doing their daily random bg still cry about premades, everytime they have to face more then 1 competent player in the enemy team. Sadly ZOS only seems to care about those people.
I did solo que most of the time before the change already, but on prime i did hop in with my boys to fight other stronk premades. All i want is 1 other competent player so i dont have to carry 3 feeders alone.1 -
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✭PeterUnlustig wrote: »PVErs doing their daily random bg still cry about premades, everytime they have to face more then 1 competent player in the enemy team. Sadly ZOS only seems to care about those people.
I did solo que most of the time before the change already, but on prime i did hop in with my boys to fight other stronk premades. All i want is 1 other competent player so i dont have to carry 3 feeders alone.
And I think the desire to play with one other person is entirely legitimate and reasonable. It gives you the social experience many desire, it provides an Avenue for deeper team play, and as you said it allows you to at least have a guarantee of one other competent player to take some of the load off.
And all the while, the advantage gained by having queued as a Duo does not completely tilt the scales and make matches unbearable like full premades could.“There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so.”0