Last minute BRP DW nerf

Firstmep

In case anyone was worried that this set would be too strong, they reduced the damage done and reduction both to 6%.

Just in case people dont read the live patchnoes

caperb

Still a nice stamcro buff

Derra

Master DW aswell - not a good day for DW going from pts to live.

Still not as bad as perfected asylum destro though.

colossalvoids

Lmao rest in peace any build that can be a lil bit different

siddique

Balance.

olsborg

Oh, master dw nerf, I didnt catch that, but it was needed and then some, still not convinced they nerfed it enough. On pts it deals roughly 30% more dmg then Surprise Attak just on the initial hits, not even counting the powerful dot right after. I reckon it still deals ~10% more dmg then SA post nerf.

mitchtheelder

so no more 2x DW meta on stam?

satanio

mitchtheelder wrote: »

so no more 2x DW meta on stam?

Looks like dw/bow will be better.
Shame.

Jaimeh

There were already vDSA rosters on guild discords... Ah ZOS, never fails to ninja take away nice things for no reason

Lisutaris

yay lucky me that has farmed the 2x1h (brp) weapons for the update ....

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Maulkin

So Maelstrom bow backbar remains better for DPS? You're telling me I've been farming BRP last week for nothing?

MartiniDaniels

Ha-ha, those guys in comments about DW/DW builds were right... it was better to be silent.

Lisutaris

Well, we got a insta 40% nerf here, so if ZOS logic still applies I am looking forward to a 60-80% buff.

heaven13

So glad they can nerf things so people don't have a chance to have a viable alternative to bow backbar, but can't fix the sets that people have been concerned about since first week of patch (RO, maelstrom inferno and bow, etc, etc, etc).

Cinbri

Good change.

Jaimeh

heaven13 wrote: »

So glad they can nerf things so people don't have a chance to have a viable alternative to bow backbar, but can't fix the sets that people have been concerned about since first week of patch (RO, maelstrom inferno and bow, etc, etc, etc).

Yeah most stam builds for the new patch recommended master dw/brp dw combos, and now both have been nerfed at the last moment.

Mater DW: This set now increases any instance of damage done with Twin Slashes by 1635 (was 2102)
BRP DW: This set now increases your damage done and reduces your damage taken by 6% for 2 seconds (was 10%)

I guess that's why it's not a good ideal to farm gear before the last patch notes, but still a bummer for the possibilities it woul create on a competitive level.

Sarousse

And you people think that 6% is weak ? LOL.

The real nerf is the master's dual one. Back to wrecking blow spamming I guess then ZoS, specialist at killing diversity.

cheemers

Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.

My work here is done

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/526140/new-brp-dw-is-bonkers

Maulkin

Cinbri wrote: »

Good change.

No, not really.

Extra defensive bonuses on DW is still an absurdity as it's an offensive weapon line. Compare it with 2H and Destro where every ability altering weapon is basically more damage.

They should have left 10% extra damage and removed the defensive part of it. That way they would have finally changed the PvE Maelsrtom Bow backbar meta which has been around for 4 years and properly rewarded a melee build for managing to stay within melee range (5m in fact) of the boss for the full duration.

As for PvP, it would prevent builds with access to Major Protection from other sources from being extra tanky in a 2H/DW set-up which is an absurdity itself. Going 2H/DW should be amping your offensive potential, not your defensive one. Damage reduction on ability altering weapons should be on the S&B line.

TPishek

I'm probably going to use it anyway because endless hail is clucky as heck and I hate it, tbh.

Ratzkifal

Great. The only set that could be used as an alternative to the vMA bow in forever and ZOS nerfs it before anyone gets to enjoy it.

notvenousdrake

F for the brp dw, taken out horns of the reach style 😞

Cinbri

Maulkin wrote: »

Cinbri wrote: »

Good change.

No, not really.

Extra defensive bonuses on DW is still an absurdity as its an offensive weapon line. Compare it with 2H and Destro where every ability altering weapon is basically more damage.

They should have left 10% extra damage and removed the defensive part of it. That way they would have finally changed the PvE Maelsrtom Bow backbar meta which has been around for 4 years and properly rewarded a melee build for managing to stay within melee range (5m in fact) of the boss for the full duration.

As for PvP, it would prevent builds with access to Major Protection from other sources from being extra tanky in a 2H/DW set-up which is an absurdity itself. Going 2H/DW should be amping your offensive potential, not your defensive one. Damage reduction on ability altering weapons should be on the S&B line.

Maybe it would be better but zos already said that its nature is offensive+defensive, so such change will never happens.

Scarkii

its still gonna be very strong, at least in pvp once the servers are back up im gonna test it in PvE though see it i can parse higher with it over bow back bar

Ruder

All the "pros" that are gonna melt under my Warden Maul now, this stupid set was carrying so hard it is just unbelievable.

Lisutaris

heaven13 wrote: »

So glad they can nerf things so people don't have a chance to have a viable alternative to bow backbar, but can't fix the sets that people have been concerned about since first week of patch (RO, maelstrom inferno and bow, etc, etc, etc).

cheemers wrote: »

Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.

My work here is done

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/526140/new-brp-dw-is-bonkers

mhh as I can agree on your pvp part, it's still a pretty big letdown from a PvE perspective.
Keeping the 10% and adding conditions like the slayer buff (only works against trial,dungeons monsters) would have been the best solution.
This way the rewards of one of the most difficult PvE content would feel... like a reward ?

cheemers

Lisutaris wrote: »

heaven13 wrote: »

So glad they can nerf things so people don't have a chance to have a viable alternative to bow backbar, but can't fix the sets that people have been concerned about since first week of patch (RO, maelstrom inferno and bow, etc, etc, etc).

cheemers wrote: »

Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.

My work here is done

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/526140/new-brp-dw-is-bonkers

mhh as I can agree on your pvp part, it's still a pretty big letdown from a PvE perspective.
Keeping the 10% and adding conditions like the slayer buff (only works against trial,dungeons monsters) would have been the best solution.
This way the rewards of one of the most difficult PvE content would feel... like a reward ?

I understand, it's annoying to see an interesting pve change get watered down before release, but if it had released as +10%/+10% it would have run riot in PvP in a few months as people picked up on it. At least this way, the new version of +6%/+6% is a bit more viable on a DPS than the old major protection. It's a victim of the combined PvP/PvE balancing

FakeFox

MSA-Bow has only been meta for like five years, I don't see why they should change that already.

Ratzkifal

cheemers wrote: »

Lisutaris wrote: »

heaven13 wrote: »

So glad they can nerf things so people don't have a chance to have a viable alternative to bow backbar, but can't fix the sets that people have been concerned about since first week of patch (RO, maelstrom inferno and bow, etc, etc, etc).

cheemers wrote: »

Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.

My work here is done

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/526140/new-brp-dw-is-bonkers

mhh as I can agree on your pvp part, it's still a pretty big letdown from a PvE perspective.
Keeping the 10% and adding conditions like the slayer buff (only works against trial,dungeons monsters) would have been the best solution.
This way the rewards of one of the most difficult PvE content would feel... like a reward ?

I understand, it's annoying to see an interesting pve change get watered down before release, but if it had released as +10%/+10% it would have run riot in PvP in a few months as people picked up on it. At least this way, the new version of +6%/+6% is a bit more viable on a DPS than the old major protection. It's a victim of the combined PvP/PvE balancing

Don't forget they nerfed healing in PvP this patch as well. So that means it's going be harder to stay alive all around.
10% are about as much damage as the vMA bow does in a parse, but you only get these 10% if you are actually within melee range!
This set would not have been broken, it would only have opened up build diversity (which ZOS hates, since they also nerfed the pAS destro when it wasn't overperforming on the two classes it was viable on).

Anhedonie

Hell yeah! *** build diversity! Who needs builds for questing anyway.

Eleandor

Anhedonie wrote: »

Hell yeah! *** build diversity! Who needs builds for questing anyway.

Play however you want! As long as you run a bow ofc