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I HAVE RETURNED. Thoughts on Blood Scion wings + my absence.
Noxavian
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And to absolutely no one's surprise, I find the dev's response to why we as Blood Scions don't have wings to be quite dumb [snip]
Now onto why I dislike the reasoning:
It is one thing to say blood scions are not vampire lords, yet it is another to purposely DESIGN blood scions to look like vampire lords and constantly tease that we'd be looking as cool as the vampire lords in game. (During the reveal live stream one of the dudes literally pointed at the vamp lord statue and said we'd be turning into one of those, literally until last week we had NO promotional material that showed the real blood scion player form, etc.) For the record, I am all for them making blood scion its own UNIQUE and special-looking thing. But with that said, if they're going that route, then it should look different and unique.
As it stands it just looks like a vampire lord literally with no wings. That is it. That is the only main difference appearance wise. Very bizarre design choice to preach about it being totally different from a vampire lord, yet in reality if you compare the base model to the vamp lord model they look almost identical, just without wings. Considering the quest text for the vampire tutorial still specifically calls you a vampire lord, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that sometime in development players *were* actually going to be able to come vampire lords, but changed it to blood scions because it would save time and money. Would also explain the lackluster re-used/basic effects of the ultimate. Also the reason for this one specific line of quest text existing also HIGHLY contradicts their reasoning for removing the 'wings' in the first place.
On stream they mentioned the animation designers thought wings would look cool, but were told by the lore team to remove them because we aren't vampire lords. This leads me to believe the lore team must not read their own quest-text, then. Because surely they would of had that part edited out, right? Blatantly calling us vampire lords....
Either way yeah, happy to have a response from them, but it isn't a good response and it doesn't make too much sense. This is like saying a shark can't have fins because it isn't a great white. Or a bird can't have wings because it isn't a bald eagle. They could of easily just made them flightless wings that were there for aesthetic purposes only.... Very much feels like just a thing they decided on just so they wouldn't have to do much more work with the model and could then just re-use/make basic ultimate effects. No need to make the 'vamp lord' form feel wicked and sick if they can just market it off as some lesser transformation.
My Absence
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Once I discovered how the skill used to be, it might be easy to guess what my thoughts were. For those that don't know, in pre-pts the animation for vampiric drain was cooler (subjective, but I really liked it. Fit better.), but objectively the skill was an actual skill. Did around 2-3 times more damage than the current live vampiric drain and healed for 60% of missing health every tick. Also the drain-vigor morph was brain drain and restored a good chunk of missing magicka during the cast instead of stamina. It was basically a long-range damage heal alternative to Eviscerate from my understanding. Didn't deal as much damage as eviscerate, but considering it did way more damage than on live, I could see spending the time to channel it now being worth the effort.
After this post I will not be making anymore vampire rework threads unless something about them is touched upon in the future, I gave it my best shot during the testing period and failed, so that's that.
In case the bit I did mention about my recent absence gets me in more trouble and I'm left not being able to speak on here again, I was wanting to thank @Sephyr @Thevampirenight @TX12001rwb17_ESO @ShadowHvo @Vevvev @Lord-Otto @Cameron991 for the many discussions we've had and even though I've disagreed with some of you on some things, at the end of the day we're all just big passionate fans of vampires in ESO. There was probably a few more of you that I spoke with a lot, but I think I got the majority of them. Apologies if I left you out.
We can only hope some changes will happen in the future, regardless of how long that might be. I have a feeling the people that designed this rework are in for a rude awakening when it releases and many people become disappointed. But who knows, maybe everyone will love it and we will of turned out to be the fools instead. But as it stands, whoever designed this rework, from my personal perspective has failed the people that wanted vampire to be an actual play style. Without melee magicka weapons, I don't think people understand how much being forced to take eviscerate as your spammable without a gapcloser or any other real damaging abilities if you want to play as a full vampire absolutely sucks. (I play a necromancer, even with class abilities I will have no way to stay on top of an enemy to melee them to death in PvP.) Kind of ironic that even though they reworked the entire skill, we still ended up with with only 1 ability that has good damage. Also nerfing the vampiric ability cost reduction was also quite rough, should of left it at 40% as that is the only stat-related buff the stages give you.
Anyways, that's only one of my many complaints with the skill line, but I'll end it here. If I don't, I'll go on about it for way more than a few paragraphs. Bizarre design choices all around and to the balance guy who said on the live stream all smugly 'Yeah Im the guy that nerfed your favorite class' and explained in an equally smug tone to Gina that vamps don't rejen HP at stage 4, frick you. That whole interaction and live stream was rough to witness.
[Edited to remove Conspiracy Theory and Discussing Disciplinary Actions]
Edited by ZOS_ConnorG on May 24, 2020 6:30PM Now onto why I dislike the reasoning:
It is one thing to say blood scions are not vampire lords, yet it is another to purposely DESIGN blood scions to look like vampire lords and constantly tease that we'd be looking as cool as the vampire lords in game. (During the reveal live stream one of the dudes literally pointed at the vamp lord statue and said we'd be turning into one of those, literally until last week we had NO promotional material that showed the real blood scion player form, etc.) For the record, I am all for them making blood scion its own UNIQUE and special-looking thing. But with that said, if they're going that route, then it should look different and unique.
As it stands it just looks like a vampire lord literally with no wings. That is it. That is the only main difference appearance wise. Very bizarre design choice to preach about it being totally different from a vampire lord, yet in reality if you compare the base model to the vamp lord model they look almost identical, just without wings. Considering the quest text for the vampire tutorial still specifically calls you a vampire lord, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that sometime in development players *were* actually going to be able to come vampire lords, but changed it to blood scions because it would save time and money. Would also explain the lackluster re-used/basic effects of the ultimate. Also the reason for this one specific line of quest text existing also HIGHLY contradicts their reasoning for removing the 'wings' in the first place.
On stream they mentioned the animation designers thought wings would look cool, but were told by the lore team to remove them because we aren't vampire lords. This leads me to believe the lore team must not read their own quest-text, then. Because surely they would of had that part edited out, right? Blatantly calling us vampire lords....
Either way yeah, happy to have a response from them, but it isn't a good response and it doesn't make too much sense. This is like saying a shark can't have fins because it isn't a great white. Or a bird can't have wings because it isn't a bald eagle. They could of easily just made them flightless wings that were there for aesthetic purposes only.... Very much feels like just a thing they decided on just so they wouldn't have to do much more work with the model and could then just re-use/make basic ultimate effects. No need to make the 'vamp lord' form feel wicked and sick if they can just market it off as some lesser transformation.
My Absence
[snip]
Once I discovered how the skill used to be, it might be easy to guess what my thoughts were. For those that don't know, in pre-pts the animation for vampiric drain was cooler (subjective, but I really liked it. Fit better.), but objectively the skill was an actual skill. Did around 2-3 times more damage than the current live vampiric drain and healed for 60% of missing health every tick. Also the drain-vigor morph was brain drain and restored a good chunk of missing magicka during the cast instead of stamina. It was basically a long-range damage heal alternative to Eviscerate from my understanding. Didn't deal as much damage as eviscerate, but considering it did way more damage than on live, I could see spending the time to channel it now being worth the effort.
After this post I will not be making anymore vampire rework threads unless something about them is touched upon in the future, I gave it my best shot during the testing period and failed, so that's that.
In case the bit I did mention about my recent absence gets me in more trouble and I'm left not being able to speak on here again, I was wanting to thank @Sephyr @Thevampirenight @TX12001rwb17_ESO @ShadowHvo @Vevvev @Lord-Otto @Cameron991 for the many discussions we've had and even though I've disagreed with some of you on some things, at the end of the day we're all just big passionate fans of vampires in ESO. There was probably a few more of you that I spoke with a lot, but I think I got the majority of them. Apologies if I left you out.
We can only hope some changes will happen in the future, regardless of how long that might be. I have a feeling the people that designed this rework are in for a rude awakening when it releases and many people become disappointed. But who knows, maybe everyone will love it and we will of turned out to be the fools instead. But as it stands, whoever designed this rework, from my personal perspective has failed the people that wanted vampire to be an actual play style. Without melee magicka weapons, I don't think people understand how much being forced to take eviscerate as your spammable without a gapcloser or any other real damaging abilities if you want to play as a full vampire absolutely sucks. (I play a necromancer, even with class abilities I will have no way to stay on top of an enemy to melee them to death in PvP.) Kind of ironic that even though they reworked the entire skill, we still ended up with with only 1 ability that has good damage. Also nerfing the vampiric ability cost reduction was also quite rough, should of left it at 40% as that is the only stat-related buff the stages give you.
Anyways, that's only one of my many complaints with the skill line, but I'll end it here. If I don't, I'll go on about it for way more than a few paragraphs. Bizarre design choices all around and to the balance guy who said on the live stream all smugly 'Yeah Im the guy that nerfed your favorite class' and explained in an equally smug tone to Gina that vamps don't rejen HP at stage 4, frick you. That whole interaction and live stream was rough to witness.
[Edited to remove Conspiracy Theory and Discussing Disciplinary Actions]
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Vevvev✭✭✭✭✭
✭100% agree with you Noxavian, and here's too hoping they make things better in the future. I have a small glimmer of hope left but we'll see what happens in the next month. I really was hoping Vampiric Drain would be good and I still have no idea why in the world they made Blood Frenzy a thing in ESO. It doesn't even make sense for what vampires are in lore, and there's a forced relationship between that skill and Eviscerate with the low health mechanic.
The part about the Blood Scion I completely agree on to. I cannot remember the person's name but they said on these forums if they were going to go so far to make blood Scion different why change just the skin texture and eyes then rip the wings off? They could have gotten very, VERY creative with how the Blood Scion would have looked.PC NA
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✭✭✭I think we can all agree the re-vamp just wasn't done properly. Visually, the skill, the passives...
My favorite is learning that Crystal Frags don't proc from Eviscerate. Just... How? Why? How did they miss that and why have they not changed it yet?
Oh, well, we did what we could. I really wish I could have a direct chat with the lore team about this, but it won't happen. Was nice to have you guys here sharing my concerns.
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navystylz_ESO✭✭✭✭I'm prepping the popcorn for forum reading once tuesday rolls around. I dunno, kind of get a perverse pleasure from watching on a larger scale, what people were saying in calm, detailed explanation in testing that the devs just ignore.
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✭There's so much I have on my mind about it as well. It's rather exhausting to watch them go from a really stable direction from the pre-PTS to just entirely dropping the ball with it. It's like you see them nearly succeeding at something, they go "Hold my beer" and fluff it up.
I get that they don't want it to be a 'passive' line. That's not what any of us were disagreeing with. We hated that we couldn't engage or actually BE vampires. At the same time, this system is just the same and if they wanted to drive away a good chunk of the bite guild that they were touting about on the stream--then felicitations ZoS, you've done a great job doing that.
I remember a time when the devs would use the PTS and gather all of the feedback and actually work with the community to make something great. I thought this PTS would be different since they were plucking people out of the streaming community like Kyle who's excited about everything to talk about the vampire changes on the stream in which it was revealed. I had a modicum of hope. I learned yet again that was a mistake because I then remembered what happened to Necromancer and it's the same thing that's happening here. The difference is, Necromancer has three trees of skills to choose from with their class and can actually perform.
It's what ever. I'm still committed to the vampire community here and to see them yet again throwing us under the rug again is no longer surprising. If World of Darkness ever makes an MMO? I'm outtie. -
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✭navystylz_ESO wrote: »I'm prepping the popcorn for forum reading once tuesday rolls around. I dunno, kind of get a perverse pleasure from watching on a larger scale, what people were saying in calm, detailed explanation in testing that the devs just ignore.
Same man, can't wait to see all of these people flail around trying to make heads or tails of the rework.
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✭There's so much I have on my mind about it as well. It's rather exhausting to watch them go from a really stable direction from the pre-PTS to just entirely dropping the ball with it. It's like you see them nearly succeeding at something, they go "Hold my beer" and fluff it up.
I get that they don't want it to be a 'passive' line. That's not what any of us were disagreeing with. We hated that we couldn't engage or actually BE vampires. At the same time, this system is just the same and if they wanted to drive away a good chunk of the bite guild that they were touting about on the stream--then felicitations ZoS, you've done a great job doing that.
I remember a time when the devs would use the PTS and gather all of the feedback and actually work with the community to make something great. I thought this PTS would be different since they were plucking people out of the streaming community like Kyle who's excited about everything to talk about the vampire changes on the stream in which it was revealed. I had a modicum of hope. I learned yet again that was a mistake because I then remembered what happened to Necromancer and it's the same thing that's happening here. The difference is, Necromancer has three trees of skills to choose from with their class and can actually perform.
It's what ever. I'm still committed to the vampire community here and to see them yet again throwing us under the rug again is no longer surprising. If World of Darkness ever makes an MMO? I'm outtie.
A world of darkness MMO would make me leave this game immediately.
That said, I do know once VTMB2 comes out Ill be outtie for a while until I beat that game inside and out. -
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For unknown reason Blood Scion has "wings" on collector's edition item
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✭There's so much I have on my mind about it as well. It's rather exhausting to watch them go from a really stable direction from the pre-PTS to just entirely dropping the ball with it. It's like you see them nearly succeeding at something, they go "Hold my beer" and fluff it up.
I get that they don't want it to be a 'passive' line. That's not what any of us were disagreeing with. We hated that we couldn't engage or actually BE vampires. At the same time, this system is just the same and if they wanted to drive away a good chunk of the bite guild that they were touting about on the stream--then felicitations ZoS, you've done a great job doing that.
I remember a time when the devs would use the PTS and gather all of the feedback and actually work with the community to make something great. I thought this PTS would be different since they were plucking people out of the streaming community like Kyle who's excited about everything to talk about the vampire changes on the stream in which it was revealed. I had a modicum of hope. I learned yet again that was a mistake because I then remembered what happened to Necromancer and it's the same thing that's happening here. The difference is, Necromancer has three trees of skills to choose from with their class and can actually perform.
It's what ever. I'm still committed to the vampire community here and to see them yet again throwing us under the rug again is no longer surprising. If World of Darkness ever makes an MMO? I'm outtie.
A world of darkness MMO would make me leave this game immediately.
That said, I do know once VTMB2 comes out Ill be outtie for a while until I beat that game inside and out.
Same. I probably won't right away with VTMB2, however at least there I know that vampires would be more than well taken care of considering that's the largest portion of the tabletop community. Here? There's way too much being talked about on the Discord, but not here on the forum. At this point, it's literally like the Secret World devs. They'll talk in the Discord, but never publicly aside from their streams which is now once in a very few blue moons. I expect that from TSW, but not from a AAA title like ESO. -
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✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/gps6jb/my_greymoor_collectors_edition_came_today/
For unknown reason Blood Scion has "wings" on collector's edition item
That's not a Blood Scion according to the Loremaster as he held that very statue in his hands. It is a Vampire Lord and Blood Scions are not Vampire Lords.
Still wishes they got wings or a unique transformation.PC NA
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✭✭✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/gps6jb/my_greymoor_collectors_edition_came_today/
For unknown reason Blood Scion has "wings" on collector's edition item
That's not a Blood Scion according to the Loremaster as he held that very statue in his hands. It is a Vampire Lord and Blood Scions are not Vampire Lords.
Still wishes they got wings or a unique transformation.
Why they release CE with Vampire Lord, but we get Blood Scion?
I really can't look at it (and I will play vampire on majority of characters):
Thanks god, ultimate itself is not good, so there is no need to transform...
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✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »
Thanks god, ultimate itself is not good, so there is no need to transform...
Its not.... bad.... but what it replaces in my opinion was ten times better. Clouding Swarm is my favorite ultimate in ESO due to how unique and powerful it is, and its getting replaced with this disgusting -thing-. Its a shame really.Edited by Vevvev on May 24, 2020 9:33PMPC NA
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✭The Vestige is a Mary-Sue, good that they do not get to become an all-powerful Vampire Lord.
I would rather not see the mighty Vampire Lord getting killed by common Guards, it would be a blatant insult to the majesty of this creature.Edited by TX12001rwb17_ESO on May 24, 2020 10:16PM -
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✭Why did I get a notification of this, lol?
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DOH! I'm an actual idiot for just not realizing I was bloody tagged.
Also, to be more on topic - right over @Noxavian. While you and I don't see eye to eye on our ideal ESO Vampirism, it is a shame that neither of us, nor anyone else for the matter, will be satisfied with this poor rendition of the Vampire.
I'm sad to say it, but I called it. I just knew from that very initial reveal back in January, that they wouldn't be able to make this rework good, nor do the vampire lord justice.
It is a massive shame, and I hope that Zenimax Online Studios will realize their mistake, and eventually do good by their fans, by making the necessary adjustments.
Good night, and journey to you, my fellow kindred.Edited by ShadowHvo on May 24, 2020 10:32PMNighren - The Shadow StrikerLeader of Bloodlines-- EU --
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Paradisius✭✭✭✭I agree with everything you said, we've had a few back and forths about the Vampire rework and I completely hold your sentiment. The state they left it in is overall really underwhelming and in some parts, dead on arrival. We will see if they truly do "Monitor Vampire changes on live" as said in what they advertised as the Vampire showcase stream that didnt really showcase much Vampire stuff. But Im not going to hold my breath, Ive adapted this version of Vampirism into a build for my MagCro, and Ill try it out on live. But many people (Especially ones who have not played the PTS) will be in for a rough wake up call. -
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✭✭Reading through the post, thank you for calling me out and I'm glad to see you back
We might not agree on everything but we all are fans of the Tes Vampire and well we all want to see it done justice. I agree with what you said. I'm happy we had those conversations good or bad, agreement or disagreement. Hopefully we can have more of those in the future.
Anyways we didn't get the full story I feel. However we were told they had to pull them. Lore reason I kinda feel was there way of telling us that Bethesda Prevented it.
Maybe Bethesda stepped in and said they can't do that.
Given we are told only Vampire Lords have wings. Sure it could be a lore reason but it could be it was not the call of Zenimax on this.
Bethesda has the final say on what they can do or not. Now I could be wrong here but why else would they pull the wings?
Zenimax might make good money off the blood scion looking a lot like the vampire lord including the stubby wings.
Now that doesn't mean they couldn't give them wings down the road. However if Bethesda prevented it then we will likely never see them with the Blood Scion.
If there was a technical reason they surely would have told us this. But given it was a lore thing, there is a bigger story there.
Hopefully they can one day make them better and maybe do add wings to the model. Even if they are shadow versions of the Vampire Lord Chicken Wings.Edited by Thevampirenight on May 24, 2020 11:28PMPC NA
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navystylz_ESO✭✭✭✭Same. I probably won't right away with VTMB2, however at least there I know that vampires would be more than well taken care of considering that's the largest portion of the tabletop community. Here? There's way too much being talked about on the Discord, but not here on the forum. At this point, it's literally like the Secret World devs. They'll talk in the Discord, but never publicly aside from their streams which is now once in a very few blue moons. I expect that from TSW, but not from a AAA title like ESO.
What's the ESO discord?Edited by navystylz_ESO on May 25, 2020 2:36AM -
navystylz_ESO✭✭✭✭MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/gps6jb/my_greymoor_collectors_edition_came_today/
For unknown reason Blood Scion has "wings" on collector's edition item
That's not a Blood Scion according to the Loremaster as he held that very statue in his hands. It is a Vampire Lord and Blood Scions are not Vampire Lords.
Still wishes they got wings or a unique transformation.
Why they release CE with Vampire Lord, but we get Blood Scion?
I really can't look at it (and I will play vampire on majority of characters):
Thanks god, ultimate itself is not good, so there is no need to transform...
The 3 statues in the picture answer that. Those are all statues of the big baddies. Nothing to do with the vestige.TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »The Vestige is a Mary-Sue, good that they do not get to become an all-powerful Vampire Lord.
I would rather not see the mighty Vampire Lord getting killed by common Guards, it would be a blatant insult to the majesty of this creature.
Yet Lamae's gift is supposed to be better than Harkon's gift in this new lore. The vestige is supposed to be akin to the Nerevarine, Hero of Kvatch and Dragonborn. We're supposed to suspend disbelief and pretend every other players isn't exactly like you, doing the same thing you're supposed to be responsible for doing. Yet I rather take Harkon's gift than this joke Lamae Bal is trying to peddle off.Edited by navystylz_ESO on May 25, 2020 2:49AM -
Cameron991✭✭✭We had a good run @Noxavian we tried to make a change for the better and sadly we weren’t heard, I hope they can listen to the feedback and change for the better. From what I have seen everyone wanted a gap closer so hopefully they can add it in the next big update, this whole term of events upsets me hopefully they listen to us that’s all I want... -
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✭@Noxavian bad PUPPY!! Jk Jk
I still want the wings. Big beautiful black leathery demonic wings to smoosh peeps inside of....And stand apart from the rest of the scum daedra in IC
Sorry but evil giant vampire wings would be a sublime improvement
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✭navystylz_ESO wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/gps6jb/my_greymoor_collectors_edition_came_today/
For unknown reason Blood Scion has "wings" on collector's edition item
That's not a Blood Scion according to the Loremaster as he held that very statue in his hands. It is a Vampire Lord and Blood Scions are not Vampire Lords.
Still wishes they got wings or a unique transformation.
Why they release CE with Vampire Lord, but we get Blood Scion?
I really can't look at it (and I will play vampire on majority of characters):
Thanks god, ultimate itself is not good, so there is no need to transform...
The 3 statues in the picture answer that. Those are all statues of the big baddies. Nothing to do with the vestige.TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »The Vestige is a Mary-Sue, good that they do not get to become an all-powerful Vampire Lord.
I would rather not see the mighty Vampire Lord getting killed by common Guards, it would be a blatant insult to the majesty of this creature.
Yet Lamae's gift is supposed to be better than Harkon's gift in this new lore. The vestige is supposed to be akin to the Nerevarine, Hero of Kvatch and Dragonborn. We're supposed to suspend disbelief and pretend every other players isn't exactly like you, doing the same thing you're supposed to be responsible for doing. Yet I rather take Harkon's gift than this joke Lamae Bal is trying to peddle off.
Lamae Bal is just a dumb Nord, her creation will always be inferior to the creation of a God. -
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✭✭✭TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »navystylz_ESO wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »MartiniDaniels wrote: »https://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/gps6jb/my_greymoor_collectors_edition_came_today/
For unknown reason Blood Scion has "wings" on collector's edition item
That's not a Blood Scion according to the Loremaster as he held that very statue in his hands. It is a Vampire Lord and Blood Scions are not Vampire Lords.
Still wishes they got wings or a unique transformation.
Why they release CE with Vampire Lord, but we get Blood Scion?
I really can't look at it (and I will play vampire on majority of characters):
Thanks god, ultimate itself is not good, so there is no need to transform...
The 3 statues in the picture answer that. Those are all statues of the big baddies. Nothing to do with the vestige.TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »The Vestige is a Mary-Sue, good that they do not get to become an all-powerful Vampire Lord.
I would rather not see the mighty Vampire Lord getting killed by common Guards, it would be a blatant insult to the majesty of this creature.
Yet Lamae's gift is supposed to be better than Harkon's gift in this new lore. The vestige is supposed to be akin to the Nerevarine, Hero of Kvatch and Dragonborn. We're supposed to suspend disbelief and pretend every other players isn't exactly like you, doing the same thing you're supposed to be responsible for doing. Yet I rather take Harkon's gift than this joke Lamae Bal is trying to peddle off.
Lamae Bal is just a dumb Nord, her creation will always be inferior to the creation of a God.
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Michaelkeir✭✭✭✭They resurrected Dragons and made Necromancy a common place parlor trick but No wings for Vampire Lord Scion. lol
This. A thousand times this.
Let us not also forget how they changed Wood-elves and Argonians passives. Even though lore IN THEIR OWN GAME goes against the changes they made. So clearly they don't give a flying fruitcake about lore. So give us another reason why we don't get wing stubs. -
Nissowolf✭✭✭@Noxavian
Simply why the blood scion doesn't have wings ? It's not Harkon's bloodline.
Because it is a different bloodline than in skyrim, we have different abilities, that vampires in skyrim don't have such as the mist form, or non-vulnerability to the sun. And it is said during skyrim's questlines that the lord vampire is exclusive to harkon's bloodline, so that would be a huge problem to have the exact same form for Lamae's bloodline.
That said, i agree to say that there is a lot of problems in this form. The name in the vampire quest is misused, but that's not the worse i think, you'll see that during the quests of Greymoor.
But the main problem is that dev that are not part of the Lore team probably don't know the lore of their own game, so that's not really surprising that themselves, they point at the statue of the lord vampire and pretend that you will be "that", while it's entirely wrong.
You have to keep in mind that this chapter is "skyrim-fans for". Obviously, they thougt "hey, why not wings, like in skyrim, they will like it" and that's true, but you have to stay faithful with the lore.
And, about the statue, they represent the bad guy we face, not the hero we are. And we're not facing a blood scion, so that's why this statue got wings.Edited by Nissowolf on May 26, 2020 1:41PMJoueur PVE HL 1000 cp+
Nightblade Stam
Dragonknight tank
Templar heal
that's all i got for now folks.
