Thanks zos

Leslik

Tonight I guild full of really nice people who I've had great fun playing with disbanded because you don't know the meaning of performance improvement.

I wonder how many will buy your next chapter. Gratz

Casterial

Leslik wrote: »

Tonight I guild full of really nice people who I've had great fun playing with disbanded because you don't know the meaning of performance improvement.

I wonder how many will buy your next chapter. Gratz

I haven't bought it, first one that I haven't. I'd say ~July is when we can see how performance really is, maybe late July. For the first Month ZOS is going to try an ensure good servers, then stop managing them.

Leslik

Yeah. I'll be damned if I'm buying it if performance doesn't improve

Unfadingsilence

Leslik wrote: »

Yeah. I'll be damned if I'm buying it if performance doesn't improve

A few million people have already ended up buying it so only a few thousand don't matter really

Leslik

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

Leslik wrote: »

Yeah. I'll be damned if I'm buying it if performance doesn't improve

A few million people have already ended up buying it so only a few thousand don't matter really

That depends on how long term your perspective is

GeorgeBlack

Leslik wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

Leslik wrote: »

Yeah. I'll be damned if I'm buying it if performance doesn't improve

A few million people have already ended up buying it so only a few thousand don't matter really

That depends on how long term your perspective is

Drops mic

Sneaky-Snurr

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

Leslik wrote: »

Yeah. I'll be damned if I'm buying it if performance doesn't improve

A few million people have already ended up buying it so only a few thousand don't matter really

@Unfadingsilence
Source?

TropicsDelight

In the meantime I am watching a charity ESO twitch stream supporting people with handicaps and going over some stories on how playing ESO helps them cope with their real life issues. People in game have actually built wheelchairs in game and are showing them off, it is quite amazing.

Sorry about your guild rage quitting, that is rough. Take it day by day.

Leslik

Trouble is we didn't rage quit. We apathy quit. Really hard to work up enthusiasm for playing in this level of lag.

Katahdin

Yup I have another trial group where some people are calling it quits because of the server performance and ZoS's inability to fixt it. They are tired of the promises that never happen and with each "performance" patch, it just gets worse. On top of that the combat changes that makes everything sluggish.

Its gettting very tiresome to spend 30-45 minutes out of your 2 hour raid time restting the instance to try and get one that works.

Its also getting tiresome to have people continually giving up in frustration leaving the rest to pick up the pieces and restart progress they already gained because new people have to be brought in.


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Unfadingsilence

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

Leslik wrote: »

Yeah. I'll be damned if I'm buying it if performance doesn't improve

A few million people have already ended up buying it so only a few thousand don't matter really

@Unfadingsilence
Source?

They did a post about it a few weeks ago and sorry I'm to busy packing up these pugs on PC NA on my new account since I just transferred to PC

Leslik

At this point it's almost funny. So many threads asking for a statement which I wholeheartedly agree with but what would zos say?

"We're sorry. We had a planned roadmap of how we're going to make things better but it kinda fell at the first hurdle. Until we figure out wtf went wrong we're saying nothing"

There was a short window where they tried to be transparent but they aren't very good at it

Sneaky-Snurr

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

Sneaky-Snurr wrote: »

Unfadingsilence wrote: »

Leslik wrote: »

Yeah. I'll be damned if I'm buying it if performance doesn't improve

A few million people have already ended up buying it so only a few thousand don't matter really

@Unfadingsilence
Source?

They did a post about it a few weeks ago and sorry I'm to busy packing up these pugs on PC NA on my new account since I just transferred to PC

@Unfadingsilence
I can't find anything about that anywhere. You sure it was a few million? Unless you can pull up the source then I call BS.

GeorgeBlack

TropicsDelight wrote: »

In the meantime I am watching a charity ESO twitch stream supporting people with handicaps and going over some stories on how playing ESO helps them cope with their real life issues. People in game have actually built wheelchairs in game and are showing them off, it is quite amazing.

Sorry about your guild rage quitting, that is rough. Take it day by day.

Public relations.

Compared to companies and individuals devoted to people with disabilities, zos and the players making ingame wheelchairs do nothing.
Your attempt to discredit the OP by using the situation of disabled people is disgusting.

TropicsDelight

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

First you show some frightening and mocking example of "creating wheelchairs in game"..

No, actual charity Twitch event. People actually built insanely detailed in game wheelchairs in their houses to show support for it and the streamer visited the houses to show them on stream. It was the link that the ESO stream today raided to after the stream and had over 2000 viewers for the majority of the stream. I watched the whole thing pretty much and it was awesome. Check it out if you want some of the positive aspects of the ESO community instead of the mostly caustic aspects of it present on this forum.

https://www.twitch.tv/aeyvi/videos

Leslik

That's an opinion and I respect it.

This is a game and I understand that

But you need to understand that these are not sob stories.

It's possible to enjoy a game but still be frustrated by its problems particularly when it gains lots of new ones suddenly
It's always had bugs and that's annoying but understandable.
My problem is this got high enough on the priority list for zos to make public statements that they are working to improve performance. I don't think anyone would disagree that they failed.
U25 delivered exactly what it promised. A small frame rate improvement. I don't recall the roadmap mentioning all the new bugs that would make the fps increase worthless

If you're bored with reading forum complaints can I suggest you stop reading the forums?

It's just as valid as you suggesting I quit the game

TropicsDelight

Leslik wrote: »

It's possible to enjoy a game but still be frustrated by its problems particularly when it gains lots of new ones suddenly
It's always had bugs and that's annoying but understandable.
My problem is this got high enough on the priority list for zos to make public statements that they are working to improve performance. I don't think anyone would disagree that they failed.

I understand the frustration. I play the game, I experience the same thing. I have blastbones blacking out and requiring a bar swap to cast, I got into combat yesterday at a dolomen and had every skill on the bar bug out for 20 seconds+ including simple light attacks and died from it. The game has some issues, they suck, and ZOS knows about it and is working on it. I know you and everyone else is frustrated, but constant threads about the same thing are not going to help at this point.

ZOS is trying to fix it, they know gameplay is a critical aspect of the success of ESO. The last thing they want is people streaming the game and prospective customers watching skills not work for the streamer. At this point in gaming the streams are one of the biggest ways to draw new players and every one of the gaming companies know the game needs to look and work great to draw people in.

The problem is not you, it is the thousands of people before you and the thousands of people after you that will also post this same thread every day. That is not going to help. We all know there are issues, ZOS most definitely included.

thissocalledflower

TropicsDelight wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

First you show some frightening and mocking example of "creating wheelchairs in game"..

No, actual charity Twitch event. People actually built insanely detailed in game wheelchairs in their houses to show support for it and the streamer visited the houses to show them on stream. It was the link that the ESO stream today raided to after the stream and had over 2000 viewers for the majority of the stream. I watched the whole thing pretty much and it was awesome. Check it out if you want some of the positive aspects of the ESO community instead of the mostly caustic aspects of it present on this forum.

https://www.twitch.tv/aeyvi/videos

And meanwhile the screen resize for gamepad mode is disabled for people with visual diabilities.... so only symbolicly do they support people with disabilities but not in acuality....

YandereGirlfriend

TropicsDelight wrote: »

Leslik wrote: »

It's possible to enjoy a game but still be frustrated by its problems particularly when it gains lots of new ones suddenly
It's always had bugs and that's annoying but understandable.
My problem is this got high enough on the priority list for zos to make public statements that they are working to improve performance. I don't think anyone would disagree that they failed.

I understand the frustration. I play the game, I experience the same thing. I have blastbones blacking out and requiring a bar swap to cast, I got into combat yesterday at a dolomen and had every skill on the bar bug out for 20 seconds+ including simple light attacks and died from it. The game has some issues, they suck, and ZOS knows about it and is working on it. I know you and everyone else is frustrated, but constant threads about the same thing are not going to help at this point.

ZOS is trying to fix it, they know gameplay is a critical aspect of the success of ESO. The last thing they want is people streaming the game and prospective customers watching skills not work for the streamer. At this point in gaming the streams are one of the biggest ways to draw new players and every one of the gaming companies know the game needs to look and work great to draw people in.

The problem is not you, it is the thousands of people before you and the thousands of people after you that will also post this same thread every day. That is not going to help. We all know there are issues, ZOS most definitely included.

I beg to differ about lots of similar threads not being needed or additive.

It's like writing letters to your Congressperson. The actual members, of course, don't read them but their staff do quickly scan them and compile lists of topics that their constituents are writing in about.

Nobody cares if one person writes in about one problem but if there is a large deluge of letters coming in with the same concern it actually does get their attention.

So, to my eyes, volume and repetition are a good thing.

TropicsDelight

GeorgeBlack wrote: »

Nobody cares if one person writes in about one problem but if there is a large deluge of letters coming in with the same concern it actually does get their attention.

So, to my eyes, volume and repetition are a good thing.

True, but the issues were communicated en masse and ZOS got the message already. At this point the government is writing up the new bill and passing it into law.

If ZOS had not already admitted the issues exist and said they are actively working on fixes then I would agree with your point completely.

Ysbriel

I don’t understand the effort to derail this topic into charity, the topic at hand is the horrible performance this game has.
The “community, positive bla bla bla” narrative doesn’t change the fact that this is a product we are purchasing with hard earned money and a live service we are supporting as well. As with any other product and service , people expect a certain degree of quality, in this case playability. Which has been a long topic in this forum for years now.

It is a shame that the problem keeps going on with every single new release with people hoping for things to get better. And it’s even more shameful the amount of people that come to the topics about the poor performance, simply to argue against people who are actually wanting to support this game and demanding better quality from this product.

Leslik

I'm afraid that's where you're wrong and there is so much past history to back that up. Fixing bugs is on zos to do list. Of course it is. Only a fool would suggest otherwise but going on track record the effort expended is minimal.

At this point I couldn't care less about this set is op or this class is over performing or this exploit needs to be closed. They do not make any comment on lag. It used to be just a pvp problem but has spread to almost every aspect of the game. Even typing something in chat now lags.

If you don't think complaints are going to help then what do you think will? A stoic silence will win that day and triumphantly restore everyone to full speed gaming. You advocate doing nothing.

MartiniDaniels

TropicsDelight wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

First you show some frightening and mocking example of "creating wheelchairs in game"..

No, actual charity Twitch event. People actually built insanely detailed in game wheelchairs in their houses to show support for it and the streamer visited the houses to show them on stream. It was the link that the ESO stream today raided to after the stream and had over 2000 viewers for the majority of the stream. I watched the whole thing pretty much and it was awesome. Check it out if you want some of the positive aspects of the ESO community instead of the mostly caustic aspects of it present on this forum.

https://www.twitch.tv/aeyvi/videos

Ok, I'm sorry if I offended you and those streams really help somebody.
But if for many people, disabled or not, their friends in the game become important and game awful performance destroys progression guilds... best thing ZOS can do for them is to make game running properly.

Spartabunny08

Leslik wrote: »

I'm afraid that's where you're wrong and there is so much past history to back that up. Fixing bugs is on zos to do list. Of course it is. Only a fool would suggest otherwise but going on track record the effort expended is minimal.

At this point I couldn't care less about this set is op or this class is over performing or this exploit needs to be closed. They do not make any comment on lag. It used to be just a pvp problem but has spread to almost every aspect of the game. Even typing something in chat now lags.

If you don't think complaints are going to help then what do you think will? A stoic silence will win that day and triumphantly restore everyone to full speed gaming. You advocate doing nothing.

Have to get the entire community to stand together and boycott them. No one log in to game and blow up the forums instead... this would do it but I don't think people believe enough to stand for something. We're with you.

TropicsDelight

Spartabunny08 wrote: »

Have to get the entire community to stand together and boycott them. No one log in to game and blow up the forums instead... this would do it but I don't think people believe enough to stand for something. We're with you.

This would likely fix the game completely for the people who sneak back into game with the lower population on the server~.

Has there ever been any feedback on whether or not splitting the servers to lower the population on each server would help fix things? It seems in the response in the ZOS news release that increasing numbers of players is one reason they identify as causing more issues. Maybe there needs to be a NA1 and NA2 server and a EU1 and EU2 server? Would the ESO community be on board with that if it meant choosing a server and splitting off the playerbase?

zvavi

Spartabunny08 wrote: »

Have to get the entire community to stand together and boycott them. No one log in to game and blow up the forums instead... this would do it but I don't think people believe enough to stand for something. We're with you.

Thats like the only boycotting that doesn't hurt them. Here are examples that do work as boycotting:
Organized zone chat performance talks
Unsub+refund+still log in as free to play
Stop support of essential add-ons

The one you have suggested sir does nothing, if anything purges complainers, leaving the game with less frustrated customers.

Lady_Linux

Leslik wrote: »

Tonight I guild full of really nice people who I've had great fun playing with disbanded because you don't know the meaning of performance improvement.

I wonder how many will buy your next chapter. Gratz

Sorry for your loss. Would you like some invites to other established guilds?

Spartabunny08

TropicsDelight wrote: »

Spartabunny08 wrote: »

Have to get the entire community to stand together and boycott them. No one log in to game and blow up the forums instead... this would do it but I don't think people believe enough to stand for something. We're with you.

This would likely fix the game completely for the people who sneak back into game with the lower population on the server~.

Has there ever been any feedback on whether or not splitting the servers to lower the population on each server would help fix things? It seems in the response in the ZOS news release that increasing numbers of players is one reason they identify as causing more issues. Maybe there needs to be a NA1 and NA2 server and a EU1 and EU2 server? Would the ESO community be on board with that if it meant choosing a server and splitting off the playerbase?

I'm sure the player base would be on board for almost anything to fix the server issue. 1. They outsource the cheating catching to a company called Akamai this is a direct minimum 15ms added ping. 2. They need to add more servers and when it reaches overflow to be able to seamlessly handle it. They designed the servers in the beginning to be seamless meaning there would never be loadscreens while traveling around and so on. There hasn't been enough people coming in to this game to cause what they're claiming. They don't want to spend money on servers so they're tweaking absolutely everything they can to get around it. This is causing more issues now like with block. They have broken block to try to fix the server load. All these little tweaks may have stopped blue screening caused by memory leaks caused by poor coding. Too many people with too many different ideas has had their hands in this game and this is what happens. The original devs are and have been long gone so in truth this will most likely get worse to the point of no return. They'd really have to do things differently. This game was once The Best and now a shadow of itself. The classes need rebalanced. Tank, Healer and Damage dealer all need to have a purpose and synergize. There had to be just a little off balance so that each role fills in on that off balance to equal balance. This is the only way because it's the original design and it was wonderful.

Leslik

Spartabunny08 wrote: »

Have to get the entire community to stand together and boycott them. No one log in to game and blow up the forums instead... this would do it but I don't think people believe enough to stand for something. We're with you.

A boycott accomplishes nothing. If nothing is said they hear nothing

Spartabunny08

Leslik wrote: »

Spartabunny08 wrote: »

Have to get the entire community to stand together and boycott them. No one log in to game and blow up the forums instead... this would do it but I don't think people believe enough to stand for something. We're with you.

A boycott accomplishes nothing. If nothing is said they hear nothing

It's called metrics. It would most certainly make them have a dialog with the community. Also i said go to the forums. Reddit everything where we can reach them. They will reach out if this was to occur.

Leslik

Spartabunny08 wrote: »

It's called metrics. It would most certainly make them have a dialog with the community. Also i said go to the forums. Reddit everything where we can reach them. They will reach out if this was to occur.

You see much dialog lately?