Will “Alliance Change Token” reset your AvA rank?

ItsJustHashtag

I saw that the German version is resetting the AvA rank of the toon you alliance change so I was wondering if that is intended or a bug?

max_only

Intended

asdf0716

Wasn't that just a translation error? it says your QUESTS will be reset. Alcast has a video demonstrating on PTS that it doesn't reset your Alliance Rank...

asdf0716

asdf0716 wrote: »

Wasn't that just a translation error? it says your QUESTS will be reset. Alcast has a video demonstrating on PTS that it doesn't reset your Alliance Rank...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueyuDNnP6pY

Rank 12 to Rank 12.

It doesn't reset your rank.

max_only

Okay I was wrong. (It should though)

asdf0716

max_only wrote: »

Okay I was wrong. (It should though)

You'll get no argument from me.

I hate everything about them. I think; for the people that have a (somewhat valid) point, what ZoS should have done was something like a one week amnesty where you can move any number of characters ONE time to a different faction. At the end of the week, it turns back off. That would give all of the "oh, but, I just want to move my main over to my new alliance" people their opportunity and then, everything goes back to normal.

Casterial

max_only wrote: »

Okay I was wrong. (It should though)

It should NOT, because AvA rank is really tied to someones time and effort, why should switching to another faction be punishing? We already lost the faction lock war, let us have this

Taleof2Cities

Casterial wrote: »

We already lost the faction lock war, let us have this

You're not fooling anyone with this comment, @Casterial.

There's a long list of reasons for why faction lock exists.

If players' heads are still in the sand, that's not anyone else's problem (especially not ZOS's).

Bucky_13

asdf0716 wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

Okay I was wrong. (It should though)

You'll get no argument from me.

I hate everything about them. I think; for the people that have a (somewhat valid) point, what ZoS should have done was something like a one week amnesty where you can move any number of characters ONE time to a different faction. At the end of the week, it turns back off. That would give all of the "oh, but, I just want to move my main over to my new alliance" people their opportunity and then, everything goes back to normal.

And then they punish all the players who can't play that week due to IRL reasons. I look forward to the tokens. I've only played one alliance in the last few years, so I look forward to switching my main PvE char to that faction and PvP with it as well.
This token is nothing compared to removing the alliance lock.

Vietfox

Casterial wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

Okay I was wrong. (It should though)

why should switching to another faction be punishing?

Think about it, you would be able to get 50 more skill points lol (not that we need them, but still)

indigorune

asdf0716 wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

Okay I was wrong. (It should though)

You'll get no argument from me.

I hate everything about them. I think; for the people that have a (somewhat valid) point, what ZoS should have done was something like a one week amnesty where you can move any number of characters ONE time to a different faction. At the end of the week, it turns back off. That would give all of the "oh, but, I just want to move my main over to my new alliance" people their opportunity and then, everything goes back to normal.

As one of those "i just want to move my main" people, i'd be totally fine with this. Although it would really suck if I happened to not be playing during that week. They would have to do this at least a few times per year for it to work.

Ratzkifal

Why should it reset the rank? Why are there people in favor for that? Is this some sort of revenge thing, showing those damn traitors what is what? Because I don't get it. The rank is to show how much time the person invested into PvP on that character. That doesn't go away with an alliance change.

That it resets the leader board rank, that is a kind of a given, but not the alliance war rank. How would that even work? Would all of your achivement furniture vanish? Would the colours you unlocked be locked again now? Would you lose skill points or be able to gain new ones? And again still, why?

max_only

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Why should it reset the rank? Why are there people in favor for that? Is this some sort of revenge thing, showing those damn traitors what is what? Because I don't get it. The rank is to show how much time the person invested into PvP on that character. That doesn't go away with an alliance change.

That it resets the leader board rank, that is a kind of a given, but not the alliance war rank. How would that even work? Would all of your achivement furniture vanish? Would the colours you unlocked be locked again now? Would you lose skill points or be able to gain new ones? And again still, why?

If you earned an Aldmeri catapult, shouldnt you need to earn a Covenant catapult? Colors are unlocked in the account anyway. Your rank 1 volunteer for the Pact can use Legate Black that was earned by your Dominion character already so that’s not even an issue. You wouldn’t lose or gain skill points, just your rank. Just the stars by your name and maybe even the titles need to be unlocked again.

Why?

As a deterrent that’s why.

Vea

As a detterent for sure. I think a lot of peoples will change the faction and jump on the winning wagon. Some alliance always win only for high population or due to nightcap. Probably a lot of them will change and go play with the "always winning" faction, and bring more imbalance to the game. 😒
Hope I' m wrong. For real.

Prof_Bawbag

Vea wrote: »

As a detterent for sure. I think a lot of peoples will change the faction and jump on the winning wagon. Some alliance always win only for high population or due to nightcap. Probably a lot of them will change and go play with the "always winning" faction, and bring more imbalance to the game. 😒
Hope I' m wrong. For real.

You'd need a lot of money or for those tokens to be free for that to even be an issue. These tokens aren't gonna be cheap. I'll assume 3k crns. People really going to spend 3k a pop just to get extra loot/gold that is more or less worthless? A paywall usually stops the sort of behaviour you're referring to. It stops people changing their psn and xbox handle on a whim and those are cheaper.

Vea

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Vea wrote: »

As a detterent for sure. I think a lot of peoples will change the faction and jump on the winning wagon. Some alliance always win only for high population or due to nightcap. Probably a lot of them will change and go play with the "always winning" faction, and bring more imbalance to the game. 😒
Hope I' m wrong. For real.

You'd need a lot of money or for those tokens to be free for that to even be an issue. These tokens aren't gonna be cheap. I'll assume 3k crns. People really going to spend 3k a pop? A paywall usually stops the sort of behaviour you're referring to. It stops people changing their psn and xbox handle on a whim and those are cheaper.

Hope you are right even if I heard some people ready to do it . Since is always the same faction winning, for example, due to nightcap they will need to change only one time. Anyway I will be happy if I'm wrong in that case 🙃.

indigorune

Vea wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Vea wrote: »

As a detterent for sure. I think a lot of peoples will change the faction and jump on the winning wagon. Some alliance always win only for high population or due to nightcap. Probably a lot of them will change and go play with the "always winning" faction, and bring more imbalance to the game. 😒
Hope I' m wrong. For real.

You'd need a lot of money or for those tokens to be free for that to even be an issue. These tokens aren't gonna be cheap. I'll assume 3k crns. People really going to spend 3k a pop? A paywall usually stops the sort of behaviour you're referring to. It stops people changing their psn and xbox handle on a whim and those are cheaper.

Hope you are right even if I heard some people ready to do it . Since is always the same faction winning, for example, due to nightcap they will need to change only one time. Anyway I will be happy if I'm wrong in that case 🙃.

That makes no sense. Those people could just make the exact same toon on all three alliances for free and never have to use a token. This argument is so silly.

Also, ZOS would never undo people's progress with a paid item from the crown store. Why would they want to deter people from spending money in the crown store? Again, this makes no sense.

Vea

n0tthesun wrote: »

Vea wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Vea wrote: »

As a detterent for sure. I think a lot of peoples will change the faction and jump on the winning wagon. Some alliance always win only for high population or due to nightcap. Probably a lot of them will change and go play with the "always winning" faction, and bring more imbalance to the game. 😒
Hope I' m wrong. For real.

You'd need a lot of money or for those tokens to be free for that to even be an issue. These tokens aren't gonna be cheap. I'll assume 3k crns. People really going to spend 3k a pop? A paywall usually stops the sort of behaviour you're referring to. It stops people changing their psn and xbox handle on a whim and those are cheaper.

Hope you are right even if I heard some people ready to do it . Since is always the same faction winning, for example, due to nightcap they will need to change only one time. Anyway I will be happy if I'm wrong in that case 🙃.

That makes no sense. Those people could just make the exact same toon on all three alliances for free and never have to use a token. This argument is so silly.

Also, ZOS would never undo people's progress with a paid item from the crown store. Why would they want to deter people from spending money in the crown store? Again, this makes no sense.

As I said I hope I'm wrong. But in this scenario I don't get why you need the tokens. I mean it is ok for me, I'm not totally against but as you said is easy to level another toon, why peoples need the tokens then? Because they need to change factions without lose the rank. I don't think 3k crown is a real deterrent. Again, hope I'm wrong. Anyway, we will see soon.

mayasunrising

For me - speaking from an RP perspective - I think it should reset your rank, but I get why it doesn't. From a real world time spent perspective it would be 100s of hours of game play down the tubes.

I'm happy they finally put them in. For me I really want to switch my main and an alt to EP. I spent years as AD but decided a few months back that I was sick of AD's toxicity in the PC/NA campaigns so switched to EP and have been so happy. I'm glad I'll get to play my main in EP now!

Ratzkifal

max_only wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Why should it reset the rank? Why are there people in favor for that? Is this some sort of revenge thing, showing those damn traitors what is what? Because I don't get it. The rank is to show how much time the person invested into PvP on that character. That doesn't go away with an alliance change.

That it resets the leader board rank, that is a kind of a given, but not the alliance war rank. How would that even work? Would all of your achivement furniture vanish? Would the colours you unlocked be locked again now? Would you lose skill points or be able to gain new ones? And again still, why?

If you earned an Aldmeri catapult, shouldnt you need to earn a Covenant catapult? Colors are unlocked in the account anyway. Your rank 1 volunteer for the Pact can use Legate Black that was earned by your Dominion character already so that’s not even an issue. You wouldn’t lose or gain skill points, just your rank. Just the stars by your name and maybe even the titles need to be unlocked again.

Why?

As a deterrent that’s why.

No, just the same way you don't need to earn Legate Black again, you shouldn't need to earn the Covenant Catapult or titles. Wanting a "deterrent" is silly revenge talk. Let people do their switching if they want to. If problems arise from people switching to the always winning alliance, then ZOS will have to find a way to deal with that. For example by increasing the underdog bonuses.

Also, if one alliance becomes mainstream, then you can be sure the hipster PvPers will join the weaker alliances to get away from the zerglings. This is a two-way street.

redgreensunset

asdf0716 wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

Okay I was wrong. (It should though)

You'll get no argument from me.

I hate everything about them. I think; for the people that have a (somewhat valid) point, what ZoS should have done was something like a one week amnesty where you can move any number of characters ONE time to a different faction. At the end of the week, it turns back off. That would give all of the "oh, but, I just want to move my main over to my new alliance" people their opportunity and then, everything goes back to normal.

@asdf0716 so what about people who can't play in that week for real life reasons? Just a 'sorry, you're screwed' in your opinion?

zaria

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Why should it reset the rank? Why are there people in favor for that? Is this some sort of revenge thing, showing those damn traitors what is what? Because I don't get it. The rank is to show how much time the person invested into PvP on that character. That doesn't go away with an alliance change.

That it resets the leader board rank, that is a kind of a given, but not the alliance war rank. How would that even work? Would all of your achivement furniture vanish? Would the colours you unlocked be locked again now? Would you lose skill points or be able to gain new ones? And again still, why?

Yes it will obvious reset board rank and kill quests. Probably also town quests for simplicity.
But AvA rank is like any other grind like undaunted or mage guild, it also give up to 50 skill points.

Fur_like_snow

If Zeni is just gonna monetize AvA then just open up the campaigns and open up BGs to groups this experiment was a failure. Faction lock is meaningless when you can just swap alliance in the crown store.

indigorune

Vea wrote: »

n0tthesun wrote: »

Vea wrote: »

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

Vea wrote: »

As a detterent for sure. I think a lot of peoples will change the faction and jump on the winning wagon. Some alliance always win only for high population or due to nightcap. Probably a lot of them will change and go play with the "always winning" faction, and bring more imbalance to the game. 😒
Hope I' m wrong. For real.

You'd need a lot of money or for those tokens to be free for that to even be an issue. These tokens aren't gonna be cheap. I'll assume 3k crns. People really going to spend 3k a pop? A paywall usually stops the sort of behaviour you're referring to. It stops people changing their psn and xbox handle on a whim and those are cheaper.

Hope you are right even if I heard some people ready to do it . Since is always the same faction winning, for example, due to nightcap they will need to change only one time. Anyway I will be happy if I'm wrong in that case 🙃.

That makes no sense. Those people could just make the exact same toon on all three alliances for free and never have to use a token. This argument is so silly.

Also, ZOS would never undo people's progress with a paid item from the crown store. Why would they want to deter people from spending money in the crown store? Again, this makes no sense.

As I said I hope I'm wrong. But in this scenario I don't get why you need the tokens. I mean it is ok for me, I'm not totally against but as you said is easy to level another toon, why peoples need the tokens then? Because they need to change factions without lose the rank. I don't think 3k crown is a real deterrent. Again, hope I'm wrong. Anyway, we will see soon.

Idk why other people need tokens, but I know that I want exactly one for my first toon, who is my main.. Who I made before I had Any Race, Any Alliance. I don't care about rank for her, as I have only done enough in cyrodiil to get the skill lines to level 10. But I would like to have the option to play her on EP, where I play with all my other toons. And I don't think I should have to start over with her rank just because I switch her alliance.

I really, really doubt people will be spending that much real money to switch alliances constantly. As I said, they could just have multiple toons. If they are that into switching alliances, they probably already do have multiples and already have them ranked up. It's not like having a high PvP rank makes your toon better at PvP.. It just means you have received a lot of AP. So really doesn't matter at all.

xaraan

It probably should reset the rank, but tbf they really don't need additional reasons to tick off pvp players the way performance in this game is.